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[Daylamite Warrior]

thats drones works and army aviation and IRGC aviation job , not air-force duty.

Why dont we train our Kowsars and other jets against real targets?! We dont even use our drones within our borders, just ballistic missiles with non-conventional warheads in Iraq and Daesh, which is good work nonetheless!

Meanwhile our enemies fire on Syria within Lebanese airspace!

 

[drmeson]

There's a difference between those that can be made operational on more or less short notice and those which can't.

I am afraid SU-22M4, F-4E/D or F-14A coming back to service after 15-30 years can't be called "operational on short notice"

 

[Hack-Hook]

Doesnt matter, Su-22 is just a modded Su-17 which is early 60s technology! Even Mig-25 is more advanced! F-14 was a more modern jet than both Su-22 and mig-25! So, by your own admission, western jets are garbage because they are newer than Su-22 and they still crash. They both need maintenance which neither Su-22 or F-14 get from their relative native manufacturers.

are you serious !, are we talking about the technology in airplanes or wear and tear in them due to old age . decide first honestly i must know on what i must comment

Doesn't matter when it was built, the technology is frozen in time! F-14 is newer and better than su-22. Thats like saying a 2022 VW Polo is a better car than a 1980s Porsche! Lol Only airframe rigidity is better which counts for nothing when you're blown to bits with a missile!

sorry that i say it but your understanding of maintenance is zero , your logic is zero . just make some meaningless post . by the way the question here is which one have more chance of having problem , 40 year old Porsche or brand new VW Polo . just use your brain

Why dont we train our Kowsars and other jets against real targets?! We dont even use our drones within our borders, just ballistic missiles with non-conventional warheads in Iraq and Daesh, which is good work nonetheless!

Meanwhile our enemies fire on Syria within Lebanese airspace!

for the records we never ever once used balistic missiles in anger inside our borders,. and why use drone for attack inside our border , we use them for surveillance inside our borders

 

[drmeson]

Food for thought. A future Intra-IRIAF scenario.

5 x SU-35S (Attack party)
- 10-15 m2 RCS
- IRBIS-E (Search range 250 KM, Tracking range 100 km)
- IRST
- Full E-warfare package with ECCM, RWR + Jammers
- R-77-1 ARH-BVR (~100 KM) + R-74 All aspect WVR
- Intra Flanker Tactical Datalink
- FBW

VS

5 x F-14AM (3) + Kowsar-I(2) + Karrar (2) [Interception group]

F-14AM (3)
- 6-10 m2 RCS
- AWG-9+ (Search range 300 KM,~170-200 KM track range)
- Fakour-90 SARH BVR (150 KM) + Azarakhsh CCD Allaspect WVR (40 KM)

Kowsar-I (2)
- ~3m2 RCS
- Grifo-346/Bayyeat-II (Search range 115 KM, 93 KM track range)
- ECCM+RWR
- Shahin X-band ECM Pod (Dash II)
- Azarakhsh CCD Allaspect WVR (40 KM)
- Double Duplex Tactical Datalinking with Fighters-Fighter, Fighter-UCAV
- FBW

Karrar (2)
- <1 m2 RCS
- 2 x Azarakhsh CCD Allaspect WVR (20 KM without Radar)

Who wins? by What tactics?

@Hack-Hook

 

[shadihassan28]

Doesnt matter, Su-22 is just a modded Su-17 which is early 60s technology! Even Mig-25 is more advanced! F-14 was a more modern jet than both Su-22 and mig-25! So, by your own admission, western jets are garbage because they are newer than Su-22 and they still crash. They both need maintenance which neither Su-22 or F-14 get from their relative native manufacturers.

Doesn't matter when it was built, the technology is frozen in time! F-14 is newer and better than su-22. Thats like saying a 2022 VW Polo is a better car than a 1980s Porsche! Lol Only airframe rigidity is better which counts for nothing when you're blown to bits with a missile!

Without doubt we need to get rid of those older jets, but the question where do we put the money. This is is the issue.

Actually agree with him buy now develop later su 20 late 60s f 14s late 70s even migs early 90s so if you think about 60 years old su,40 year old f 14s and 30 year old migs all of these jets are past their life cycles no matter how much you upgrade them, I like the Chinese j 10 but like he said money and the will of any country to sell

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

are you serious !, are we talking about the technology in airplanes or wear and tear in them due to old age . decide first honestly i must know on what i must comment

sorry that i say it but your understanding of maintenance is zero , your logic is zero . just make some meaningless post . by the way the question here is which one have more chance of having problem , 40 year old Porsche or brand new VW Polo . just use your brain


for the records we never ever once used balistic missiles in anger inside our borders,. and why use drone for attack inside our border , we use them for surveillance inside our borders

Lol youre the one whos confused here by bringing up manufacturing year and equating that to technological advancement! Im saying a Su-22 built in 1979 or 1986 is still a su-22! The fact is F-14 is more advanced despite all of this. I'm not going to try to convince to you the blatantly obvious that F-14 is better than Su-22, you're throwing your own western plane under the bus just to disagree with me LOL

Your knowledge of aircraft is zero, about AD is zero and about Irans true budget is zero. But you carry on these arguments like someone with a lot of oghdeh! The question is which is going to win the race, or evade SAMs. Please use YOUR brain first!

Im talking about attacking enemies on our borders, which we have plenty, much to the demise of our border guards who you care very little for. Is Iraq in our borders? Was Daesh in our borders? Please learn to read before knee jerk replies.

Actually agree with him buy now develop later su 20 late 60s f 14s late 70s even migs early 90s so if you think about 60 years old su,40 year old f 14s and 30 year old migs all of these jets are past their life cycles no matter how much you upgrade them, I like the Chinese j 10 but like he said money and the will of any country to sell

Firstly I dont care what you think, and this isnt what we are discussing at all. Seems you agree Iran needs to buy new jets! Regardless, your wishy washy estimates of aircraft ages, which you admit that Su-22 is older than F-14, just shows you're here to cause an argument and probably should leave this between me and Hack....or someone more knowledgeable than Hack, which isn't you! With all due respect, obviously. Also he wasnt the one who said we lack funds or that China won't sell, it was all me!

 

[Hack-Hook]

Lol youre the one whos confused here by bringing up manufacturing year and equating that to technological advancement! Im saying a Su-22 built in 1979 or 1986 is still a su-22! The fact is F-14 is more advanced despite all of this. I'm not going to try to convince to you the blatantly obvious that F-14 is better than Su-22, you're throwing your own western plane under the bus just to disagree with me LOL

Your knowledge of aircraft is zero, about AD is zero and about Irans true budget is zero. But you carry on these arguments like someone with a lot of oghdeh! The question is which is going to win the race, or evade SAMs. Please use YOUR brain first!

Im talking about attacking enemies on our borders, which we have plenty, much to the demise of our border guards who you care very little for. Is Iraq in our borders? Was Daesh in our borders? Please learn to read before knee jerk replies.

honestly you are another level here . the introduction year put the oldest time they can be purchased and i clearly said that su-22 was newer than all our planes you are the one who mistakenly mixing technology with wear and tear due to old age . i don't comment on this anymore and i don't care let you think you are correct you who don't knew anything about wear and tear and technology


again the other people can decide
and actually Daesh tried to infiltrate our border and we engaged them inside our border and if you go and search old thread of iran section you will find a thread about it. and again its not duty of air-force to engage them its army aviation and IRGC aviation duty to do so, how hard it is to understand

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

honestly you are another level here . the introduction year put the oldest time they can be purchased and i clearly said that su-22 was newer than all our planes you are the one who mistakenly mixing technology with wear and tear due to old age . i don't comment on this anymore and i don't care let you think you are correct you who don't knew anything about wear and tear and technology


again the other people can decide
and actually Daesh tried to infiltrate our border and we engaged them inside our border and if you go and search old thread of iran section you will find a thread about it. and again its not duty of air-force to engage them its army aviation and IRGC aviation duty to do so, how hard it is to understand

Youre the one who claimed that airframe age trumps technology and design! Thats all on you! You can run away if you wish.

Are you serious? Iran Army Aviation is not for attack, its for transporting troops. And yes we sent our boys to fight, with hardly any air cover. It would have been way more effective if we had an airforce that could take out these targets and daesh hideouts, much like Russians did in Syria, to AVOID them to get to our border. So glad ignoramuses like you don't control our Military planning...or do they? Hmmmm

 

[TheImmortal]

Another dinosaur bites the dust. Iran has lost quite a few fighter jets this year. Looks like maintaining these fighters is getting more and more difficult

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571567779597139972

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

Another dinosaur bites the dust. Iran has lost quite a few fighter jets this year. Looks like maintaining these fighters is getting more and more difficult

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571567779597139972

Yeah you're a bit late with this news, Hack gave us this update and concluded that all Russian jets are not fit for purchase i.e. because an old Su-22 crashed we shouldn't buy Su-35. Alhamdulillah the pilot is safe and maneuvered safely!

 

[drmeson]

to be honest id be worried about the e-warfare here .those su-35 can datalink with each other , while those F-14+Kowsar +karrar also can datalink with each other . i don't knew how good that AWG-9 act against E-Warfare suit of Su-35 but my strategy would be as soon as i found those su-35 put Kowsars between F-14s .

AWG-9 of F-14AM as per Key-aero has 834 new parts+ciruits and a new Antenna. Search range is 350 KM while track is 200 KM. I would assume its on APG-71 level of F-14D.

then try to made those karrar fly as low as possible and not pointed toward the su 35 but lateral ward then have them fire their missiles toward the su-35 in hope they get 1 or 2 of them . then use the data from 5 linked f-14 to make a solution for firing fakour at half its range toward the su-35 . the dutuy of those kowsar would be to use their jamming capabilities to reduce the effectiveness of those f-35 radar. by the way after firing those karrar missiles toward su-35s i may be tempted to use them as suicide drone and try to attack su-35 with them

SU-35S will use its in-built ECM jamming to save itself from AWG-9+Fakour but to do that it will have to stay in azimuth of AWG-9+ of F-14AM. Thus, allowing the F-14AM to track 10-15 m2 RCS airframe of Flanking and fire 10-12 Fakour-90 from max range (150 KM) and gain altitude for SARH illumination. Now SU-35 will have to get closer to use their own R-77-1 (100 KM) all the while also dodging, jamming, and chaffing Fakour-90s. Or they can flank out and spread.

While this is happening and SU-35 are busy jamming F-14AM or saving themselves from some 10-12 incoming Fakour-90 .... 2 x Kowsar-I can lead the charge with 2x Karrar from Flanks using terrain masking, suddenly popping up around front most Flankers within WVR range to carry on ECM+WVR attack with Azarakhsh (10 Missiles). IRBIS-E will have a very hard time tracking a Karrar or Kowsar from distance in terrain masking. Sukhois will shoot Kowsars and Karrars but will themselves be shot down by Fakours-90.

My prediction for Losses

3 x SU-35S

x

1 x F-14AM
1-2 x Kowsar
2 x Karrar

The situation changes entirely if Kowsar gets a PL-12 or PL-15 like BVR missile. Then charge can be lead by suicidal Karrars each carrying WVR missiles while F-14AM can launch SARH BVR attack from higher altitude while Kowsar can launch ARH BVR attack from terrain masking. Sukhois will have no chance but to retreat from arena.

 

[thesaint]

Purchasing SU-35 or any other jets & developing domestic fighter jets are not mutually exclusive, both can be done in parallel. Iran has enough money to support both if they decide. Iran's total GDP is greater than all it's neighbors and their per capita GDP is better than many countries despite sanctions.

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

Purchasing SU-35 or any other jets & developing domestic fighter jets are not mutually exclusive, both can be done in parallel. Iran has enough money to support both if they decide. Iran's total GDP is greater than all it's neighbors and their per capita GDP is better than many countries despite sanctions.

If the funds are there of course! This is what I'm trying to say instead of put all our eggs in one basket. Does that mean we're both Russian agents now?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Youre the one who claimed that airframe age trumps technology and design! Thats all on you! You can run away if you wish.

you are the one that can understand we are talking about a bolt break , a blade dislocate , fuel leak and..... when something become old it more likely to find fault and stop working and has nothing to do wit how advance it is .

Are you serious? Iran Army Aviation is not for attack, its for transporting troops. And yes we sent our boys to fight, with hardly any air cover. It would have been way more effective if we had an airforce that could take out these targets and daesh hideouts, much like Russians did in Syria, to AVOID them to get to our border. So glad ignoramuses like you don't control our Military planning...or do they? Hmmmm

you yourself asked for it

hail new Iranian transport helicopter
AH-1J

hail Iran new Transport helicopter Toofan

hail Iran new transport helicopter Shahed-216

hail Iran bell-214 with no ground attack capability

 

[drmeson]

Purchasing SU-35 or any other jets & developing domestic fighter jets are not mutually exclusive, both can be done in parallel. Iran has enough money to support both if they decide. Iran's total GDP is greater than all it's neighbors and their per capita GDP is better than many countries despite sanctions.

SU-35 purchase is not related to the local fighter program because categories are different. SU-35S is a heavy fighter with a large MTOW. Iranian local fighter program revolves around light small fighters.

If you ask me, both will happen simultaneously if another reformist government does not return to Tehran.