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How China's J-20 Stealth Fighter Would Shoot Down an F-22 or F-35
A range problem is brewing.
by Mark Episkopos
May 29, 2019

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Fear the missile?

The Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force made waves at the 2018 Zhuhai Airshow with the latest showing of their flagship fifth-generation stealth fighter, the J-20.

As is common with airshow coverage, large swaths of the ensuing commentary focused on the J-20’s handling and maneuverability as it performed a series of rolls and a climb. But this elides what is perhaps the most significant aspect of the J-20’s Zhuhai showing: its weapons system.

During the performance, the J-20 opened its missile bay doors to reveal four PL-15 missiles accompanied by two PL-10 missiles on either side. The PL-15 is a long range air-to-air missile slated to enter service in 2018. Outfitted with an active electronically scanned radar and featuring a reported maximum range of up to 300 km, the PL-15’s impressive specifications place it in the ranks of the top air-to-air missiles along with the European Meteor missile and Russian K-37M.

The PL-15’s effective range in actual aerial engagements is certain to be lower than the maximum range 300 km, but is nonetheless much higher than its American AIM-120 AMRAAM counterpart’s estimated 180 km or less. American general Herbert Carlislevoiced serious concerns in 2015 when the development of the PL-15 entered the public knowledge: “Look at our adversaries and what they’re developing, things like the PL-15 and the range of that weapon.” General Carlisle raised the same issue in an interview with FlightGlobal: “The PL-15 and the range of that missile, we’ve got to be able to out-stick that missile.”

The American F-22 and F-35 fighters are now equipped with the latest AIM 120-D missiles, but a massive range deficit remains nonetheless. The challenge of the PL-15 comes on the heels of questions about the uncertain future of the aging AMRAAM system. As Captain James Stoneman put it to the National Interest: “Currently there is no program of record for a follow-on… we’ve probably close to maxing it out.” Development of the latest Block III iteration of the short range AIM-9X was cancelled, and Raytheonstruggles with a necessary AMRAAM refresh.

The J-20’s two side-mounted PL-10 missiles, while less conspicuous than their long range counterpart, are a key factor in the J-20’s operational versatility. A short-range infrared air-to-air missile, the PL-10 can be fired at off boresight angles of 90 degrees using the J-20’s Helmet Mounted Display (HMD). In other words, the PL-10’s on the J-20 can be fired in the direction that the pilot points their head.

Off boresight targeting is by no means a new technology. In fact, the PL-10 is China’s response to the AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder short range missiles that the United States is selling to Taiwan. There is no reliable information on the PL-10’s range at the time of writing, but it is expected to at least match AIM-9X’s reported maximum range of 20-22 km. Iterative performance differences aside, it is a bigger long-term concern is that the PL-10 and PL-15 are reportedly built with the latest anti-jamming technology at a time when the AIM- 9X and AIM-120D are perceived as increasingly vulnerable to modern digital radio frequency memory (DRFM) jamming techniques.

There is much that is still unknown about the J-20, including its launch mechanism and the final specifications of its WS-15 engine currently in development. It remains to be seen if this particular armament configuration makes it into the regular production process, but the juxtaposition of the PL-15 and PL-10 inside the J-20’s frame can become a stark concern for the United States and some of its regional allies who continue to rely on aging AMRAAM technology.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...h-fighter-would-shoot-down-f-22-or-f-35-60022
 
How China's J-20 Stealth Fighter Would Shoot Down an F-22 or F-35
A range problem is brewing.
by Mark Episkopos
May 29, 2019

fgwegrr.jpg

Fear the missile?

The Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force made waves at the 2018 Zhuhai Airshow with the latest showing of their flagship fifth-generation stealth fighter, the J-20.

As is common with airshow coverage, large swaths of the ensuing commentary focused on the J-20’s handling and maneuverability as it performed a series of rolls and a climb. But this elides what is perhaps the most significant aspect of the J-20’s Zhuhai showing: its weapons system.

During the performance, the J-20 opened its missile bay doors to reveal four PL-15 missiles accompanied by two PL-10 missiles on either side. The PL-15 is a long range air-to-air missile slated to enter service in 2018. Outfitted with an active electronically scanned radar and featuring a reported maximum range of up to 300 km, the PL-15’s impressive specifications place it in the ranks of the top air-to-air missiles along with the European Meteor missile and Russian K-37M.

The PL-15’s effective range in actual aerial engagements is certain to be lower than the maximum range 300 km, but is nonetheless much higher than its American AIM-120 AMRAAM counterpart’s estimated 180 km or less. American general Herbert Carlislevoiced serious concerns in 2015 when the development of the PL-15 entered the public knowledge: “Look at our adversaries and what they’re developing, things like the PL-15 and the range of that weapon.” General Carlisle raised the same issue in an interview with FlightGlobal: “The PL-15 and the range of that missile, we’ve got to be able to out-stick that missile.”

The American F-22 and F-35 fighters are now equipped with the latest AIM 120-D missiles, but a massive range deficit remains nonetheless. The challenge of the PL-15 comes on the heels of questions about the uncertain future of the aging AMRAAM system. As Captain James Stoneman put it to the National Interest: “Currently there is no program of record for a follow-on… we’ve probably close to maxing it out.” Development of the latest Block III iteration of the short range AIM-9X was cancelled, and Raytheonstruggles with a necessary AMRAAM refresh.

The J-20’s two side-mounted PL-10 missiles, while less conspicuous than their long range counterpart, are a key factor in the J-20’s operational versatility. A short-range infrared air-to-air missile, the PL-10 can be fired at off boresight angles of 90 degrees using the J-20’s Helmet Mounted Display (HMD). In other words, the PL-10’s on the J-20 can be fired in the direction that the pilot points their head.

Off boresight targeting is by no means a new technology. In fact, the PL-10 is China’s response to the AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder short range missiles that the United States is selling to Taiwan. There is no reliable information on the PL-10’s range at the time of writing, but it is expected to at least match AIM-9X’s reported maximum range of 20-22 km. Iterative performance differences aside, it is a bigger long-term concern is that the PL-10 and PL-15 are reportedly built with the latest anti-jamming technology at a time when the AIM- 9X and AIM-120D are perceived as increasingly vulnerable to modern digital radio frequency memory (DRFM) jamming techniques.

There is much that is still unknown about the J-20, including its launch mechanism and the final specifications of its WS-15 engine currently in development. It remains to be seen if this particular armament configuration makes it into the regular production process, but the juxtaposition of the PL-15 and PL-10 inside the J-20’s frame can become a stark concern for the United States and some of its regional allies who continue to rely on aging AMRAAM technology.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...h-fighter-would-shoot-down-f-22-or-f-35-60022
Give J 20s to Pakistan
 
Now it's very expensive even for the Chinese air force, maybe after China can mass produce them.
 
the challenge for china is to detect f22 or f35 at bvr distance. near close combat f35,f22 are difficult to lock on due to super maneuverability
 
CHINA SAYS NEW TECH CAN DETECT STEALTH JETS INCLUDING F-22, F-35
MAY 29TH 19__DAN ROBITZSKI__FILED UNDER: HARD SCIENCE
china-detect-stealth-aircraft-1200x630.png

Chinese scientists claim to have developed a new radar system capable of spotting and targeting stealth aircraft, potentially spelling doom for the U.S. Air Force’s F-22 and F-35 fighter jets.

Stealth planes are designed to pass undetected through conventional radar systems. But radar with longer wavelengths can still spot them, according to National Interest — and China claims to have developed a network of long-wave radar systems so dense that it can accurately track stealth planes and target them with anti-aircraft weapons.

Join The Club
Chinese media claims that this new radar network puts China ahead of other world militaries.

“As for now, I do not see a meter wave air defense radar from abroad that can match the criteria of the advanced meter wave radar [like the one China has],” Wu Jianqi, the scientist behind the new radar system, told Global Times.

But Russia has also announced anti-stealth technology, per National Interest, as has the United States.

All In The Execution
Ultimately, neither stealth aircraft nor tech to detect them have been deployed in major skirmishes, so it will be hard to tell how effective either is until then, in National Interest‘s analysis.

China’s new radar network could render stealth aircraft useless, but it’s also possible the network itself ends up being less effective than scientists claim.
https://futurism.com/the-byte/china-detect-stealth-aircraft

RIP F-35 and F-22: China Claims It Has Radar That Can Detect Stealth Aircraft
Should the Air Force be worried?

by Michael Peck
May 29, 2019

China claims to have developed a special radar that can detect stealth aircraft.

In addition, it also functions as a fire control radar that can guide missiles toward stealthy jets like the F-35.

“Meter wave radar can be deployed on vehicles, on land and warships, creating a dense web that gives hostile stealth aircraft nowhere to hide,” said China’s Global Times.

Chinese scientists say they have solved a fundamental dilemma inherent to radar. High-frequency radars, such as microwave radars, emit a lot of short pulses that are good for guiding weapons to a target. Low-frequency radars, that emit waves that are meters long, are better for searching an area but aren’t precise enough for fire control (here’s a quick primer). That means high- and low-frequency radars tend to be paired for search and fire control.

Stealth aircraft are shaped to avoid detection by high-frequency beams. “Meter wave radars can detect stealth aircraft because modern stealth aircraft are mainly designed to avoid detection by microwave radar, and are less stealthy to meter wave radar,” said Global Times. “However, analysts previously said that because of their low resolution and accuracy, meter wave radars can only send warnings about incoming threats. And even if microwave radars compensate for the shortcomings of the meter wave radars, they are unable to entirely overcome these shortcomings.”

Wu Jianqi, a senior scientist at the state-owned China Electronics Technology Group Corporation, told Chinese media that his team has solved this dilemma. “Wu solved the issue by designing the world's first practical meter wave sparse array synthetic impulse and aperture radar,” according to Global Times. “Wu said that his radar has multiple transmitting and receiving antennas tens of meters high, scattered in a range of tens to hundreds of meters. They can continuously cover the sky as the radar receives echoes from all directions.”

Wei Dongxu, a Chinese military analyst, told Global Times that “this significantly enhances the radar's ability to track an aerial target, pinpointing the stealth aircraft's exact coordinates by synthesizing parameters and data gathered by the radar under the support of advanced algorithms. Since the radar can now see stealth aircraft clearly and track them continuously and accurately, it could become capable of guiding long-range anti-aircraft missiles and landing precision strikes on them."

Wu also said that this development puts China ahead of other nations in developing anti-stealth radar. “As for now, I do not see a meter wave air defense radar from abroad that can match the criteria of the advanced meter wave radar.”

But is this true?
The vulnerability of stealth aircraft to low-frequency beams has not escaped the notice of military researchers around the world. Russia has also claimed – more than once – to have developed stealth-detecting radar. Naturally, the U.S. is also working on advanced sensors that will do the same.

While the physics of the Chinese claims seem plausible, it is important to remember that the effectiveness of a military sensor depends on a variety of factors. How easily can the Chinese meter-wave radar be spoofed or jammed? How vulnerable are these radar complexes – comprising multiple antennae – to being destroyed by missiles?

In the end, the problem with evaluating anti-stealth is the same as evaluating stealth: we really won’t know how well any of this work until it is used in combat. The F-35 has been used in minor conflicts like Syria, operating against second-string or non-existent air defenses. But stealth – or anti-stealth – will only be proven in a conflict between powers that possess advanced aircraft, radars and anti-aircraft missiles. That means America, Russia and China.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...t-has-radar-can-detect-stealth-aircraft-59977
 
China can Kill F 35 and F22 with J 20. Chinese radar can detect F 22. I do not know why China sacked the designer of such potent plane and why J 20 scored just 3.5:1 kill ratio againsw 3.5 generation plane . F 22 has that kill ratio of over 100.

Any way boasting is not a crime so anybody can post anything here.
 
CHINA SAYS NEW TECH CAN DETECT STEALTH JETS INCLUDING F-22, F-35
MAY 29TH 19__DAN ROBITZSKI__FILED UNDER: HARD SCIENCE
china-detect-stealth-aircraft-1200x630.png

Chinese scientists claim to have developed a new radar system capable of spotting and targeting stealth aircraft, potentially spelling doom for the U.S. Air Force’s F-22 and F-35 fighter jets.

Stealth planes are designed to pass undetected through conventional radar systems. But radar with longer wavelengths can still spot them, according to National Interest — and China claims to have developed a network of long-wave radar systems so dense that it can accurately track stealth planes and target them with anti-aircraft weapons.

Join The Club
Chinese media claims that this new radar network puts China ahead of other world militaries.

“As for now, I do not see a meter wave air defense radar from abroad that can match the criteria of the advanced meter wave radar [like the one China has],” Wu Jianqi, the scientist behind the new radar system, told Global Times.

But Russia has also announced anti-stealth technology, per National Interest, as has the United States.

All In The Execution
Ultimately, neither stealth aircraft nor tech to detect them have been deployed in major skirmishes, so it will be hard to tell how effective either is until then, in National Interest‘s analysis.

China’s new radar network could render stealth aircraft useless, but it’s also possible the network itself ends up being less effective than scientists claim.
https://futurism.com/the-byte/china-detect-stealth-aircraft

RIP F-35 and F-22: China Claims It Has Radar That Can Detect Stealth Aircraft
Should the Air Force be worried?

by Michael Peck
May 29, 2019

China claims to have developed a special radar that can detect stealth aircraft.

In addition, it also functions as a fire control radar that can guide missiles toward stealthy jets like the F-35.

“Meter wave radar can be deployed on vehicles, on land and warships, creating a dense web that gives hostile stealth aircraft nowhere to hide,” said China’s Global Times.

Chinese scientists say they have solved a fundamental dilemma inherent to radar. High-frequency radars, such as microwave radars, emit a lot of short pulses that are good for guiding weapons to a target. Low-frequency radars, that emit waves that are meters long, are better for searching an area but aren’t precise enough for fire control (here’s a quick primer). That means high- and low-frequency radars tend to be paired for search and fire control.

Stealth aircraft are shaped to avoid detection by high-frequency beams. “Meter wave radars can detect stealth aircraft because modern stealth aircraft are mainly designed to avoid detection by microwave radar, and are less stealthy to meter wave radar,” said Global Times. “However, analysts previously said that because of their low resolution and accuracy, meter wave radars can only send warnings about incoming threats. And even if microwave radars compensate for the shortcomings of the meter wave radars, they are unable to entirely overcome these shortcomings.”

Wu Jianqi, a senior scientist at the state-owned China Electronics Technology Group Corporation, told Chinese media that his team has solved this dilemma. “Wu solved the issue by designing the world's first practical meter wave sparse array synthetic impulse and aperture radar,” according to Global Times. “Wu said that his radar has multiple transmitting and receiving antennas tens of meters high, scattered in a range of tens to hundreds of meters. They can continuously cover the sky as the radar receives echoes from all directions.”

Wei Dongxu, a Chinese military analyst, told Global Times that “this significantly enhances the radar's ability to track an aerial target, pinpointing the stealth aircraft's exact coordinates by synthesizing parameters and data gathered by the radar under the support of advanced algorithms. Since the radar can now see stealth aircraft clearly and track them continuously and accurately, it could become capable of guiding long-range anti-aircraft missiles and landing precision strikes on them."

Wu also said that this development puts China ahead of other nations in developing anti-stealth radar. “As for now, I do not see a meter wave air defense radar from abroad that can match the criteria of the advanced meter wave radar.”

But is this true?
The vulnerability of stealth aircraft to low-frequency beams has not escaped the notice of military researchers around the world. Russia has also claimed – more than once – to have developed stealth-detecting radar. Naturally, the U.S. is also working on advanced sensors that will do the same.

While the physics of the Chinese claims seem plausible, it is important to remember that the effectiveness of a military sensor depends on a variety of factors. How easily can the Chinese meter-wave radar be spoofed or jammed? How vulnerable are these radar complexes – comprising multiple antennae – to being destroyed by missiles?

In the end, the problem with evaluating anti-stealth is the same as evaluating stealth: we really won’t know how well any of this work until it is used in combat. The F-35 has been used in minor conflicts like Syria, operating against second-string or non-existent air defenses. But stealth – or anti-stealth – will only be proven in a conflict between powers that possess advanced aircraft, radars and anti-aircraft missiles. That means America, Russia and China.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...t-has-radar-can-detect-stealth-aircraft-59977

If true then it would be devastating but I doubt the credibility of this news.
 
China can Kill F 35 and F22 with J 20. Chinese radar can detect F 22. I do not know why China sacked the designer of such potent plane and why J 20 scored just 3.5:1 kill ratio againsw 3.5 generation plane . F 22 has that kill ratio of over 100.

Any way boasting is not a crime so anybody can post anything here.

3.5 : 1 kill ratio? Bogus! What's the source?
 
China can Kill F 35 and F22 with J 20. Chinese radar can detect F 22. I do not know why China sacked the designer of such potent plane and why J 20 scored just 3.5:1 kill ratio againsw 3.5 generation plane . F 22 has that kill ratio of over 100.

Any way boasting is not a crime so anybody can post anything here.
Why you do live in your too much superstition/wet dreaming, and what is the source 3.5:1 kills @Surya 1 :hitwall::hitwall::crazy::crazy:
 
Imagine jft BLK III firing a couple of pl 15s
At su 30mki from 100nm.
 
3.5 : 1 kill ratio? Bogus! What's the source?

For Indians, sources is the sources.
Just like, according to sources.... India is 2020 super power.

Imagine jft BLK III firing a couple of pl 15s
At su 30mki from 100nm.

even better if they fire at 200+ miles distance and scores another kill after AMRAAM ;) sweeeett.!
 

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