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Joe Shearer

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The author, whom I am quoting without his permission, is a senior officer of the Indian Army.

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As Muslims, both my spouse and i invariably led the puja of our army unit in its temple every other Sunday...Personally, I come from a regiment which is purely Hindu and has a regimental deity in Lord Badri Vishal, the personification of Lord Vishnu at the Badrinath shrine. As the head of the regiment i have invoked the blessings of Lord Badri Vishal by personally travelling to the shrine many times for the opening puja of the season after winter. As a senior commander in Kashmir some of my most satisfying moments were those when i did a round robin of all gurdwaras of the units on Guru Purab, ending with langar with the unit usually deployed in the most difficult area.

Once in a Muslim Grenadiers unit, its Hindu company commander put me to shame when i saw that he was keeping all 30 rozas with his men and even reading all five namaz which he knew perfectly.

When my fauji father was questioned during Partition about his choice of armies, he said: “While the nation formed on basis of faith will celebrate now but won’t last forever, the nation formed on basis of respect for every faith will have a difficult beginning but will always celebrate.” He remained with the Indian Army and rose to be its first Muslim GOC. When India has doubts about itself and the future course of inter faith relations it should just turn to its army for inspiration.
 
damn, we wont last forever.
but the thing is we are as old as India is
so his dad was lying :D

First, be respectful.

Second, it's 70 years now; time enough for his dad to be proven right or wrong.

Third, it is these men and women who make India a noble idea enmired in poverty and dirt. It is these men and women that I look up to, not bhakts.
 
You should t have posted such a loaded article that's obviously provoking a response and he gave you a response

He did, and no hard feelings.

It is a loaded article; I have never been a hypocrite. The people of Pakistan have made Pakistan a reality, without the need for academically involved and complicated arguments. Similarly, the people of India, all the people, not just the ones that this trashy lot claim to uphold, have made India a reality, by believing in India and working for the ideal that was India, an ideal that contrasts sharply from that of Pakistan, but in a manner identical to that of the Pakistani and of Pakistan. That does not make either ideal false for us; it makes sense in thinking of why people chose as they did, when they did.

I would like your own response. I really would; I don't care for your views about India and about Indians, but you do have a point of view, and I respect that. Now stop talking about who else thought what else, and, if you don't mind, tell us what you feel.

A postscript: Perhaps this willingness to allow two completely contrasting ideals to co-exist and to respect each without giving up one's adherence to one explains what some of us do on the forum, and others fail to do. Among other things, it allows me, personally, without speaking for anyone else, to respect Pakistanis, and specifically to admire those who display ideals and fairness. That is why I like some Pakistanis, without liking them all indiscriminately, and that is why I dislike some Indians, without disliking them all indiscriminately.
 
He did, and no hard feelings.

It is a loaded article; I have never been a hypocrite. The people of Pakistan have made Pakistan a reality, without the need for academically involved and complicated arguments. Similarly, the people of India, all the people, not just the ones that this trashy lot claim to uphold, have made India a reality, by believing in India and working for the ideal that was India, an ideal that contrasts sharply from that of Pakistan, but in a manner identical to that of the Pakistani and of Pakistan. That does not make either ideal false for us; it makes sense in thinking of why people chose as they did, when they did.

I would like your own response. I really would; I don't care for your views about India and about Indians, but you do have a point of view, and I respect that. Now stop talking about who else thought what else, and, if you don't mind, tell us what you feel.
Ok Joe
To be honest...I have travelled to India. Landed in Delhi and travelled by a driver hired car all the way to Jaipur. The driver was Hindu. Excellent chap. I have been to many of your temple such as at Galta and Pushkar. I am always respectful with the people I meet and never insult anyone's religion.
Now people on PDF are different. This is not face to face and hence a lot of negativity comes out from both Pakistanis and Indian. That's sad because we are only fighting due to the problems the British left us and both parties are so stupid that we would rather fight for 70 years than to address the actual issues. I personally donttake this place seriously.
 
First, be respectful.

Second, it's 70 years now; time enough for his dad to be proven right or wrong.

Third, it is these men and women who make India a noble idea enmired in poverty and dirt. It is these men and women that I look up to, not bhakts.
but but but, his dad said that we wont last forever, but we are going strong
 
Ok Joe
To be honest...I have travelled to India. Landed in Delhi and travelled by a driver hired car all the way to Jaipur. The driver was Hindu. Excellent chap. I have been to many of your temple such as at Galta and Pushkar. I am always respectful with the people I meet and never insult anyone's religion.
Now people on PDF are different. This is not face to face and hence a lot of negativity comes out from both Pakistanis and Indian. That's sad because we are only fighting due to the problems the British left us and both parties are so stupid that we would rather fight for 70 years than to address the actual issues. I personally donttake this place seriously.

That wasn't too difficult, was it? :enjoy:

If you find me negative, except when I am bored and trolling, please take this as permission to kick my backside.
 
Lol

He is still working out Akbar's Deen i Ilahi i guess.

Status quo has not changed in India for a good 1000 years.
 
but but but, his dad said that we wont last forever, but we are going strong

Yeah, right. :D

OK, that was a smart-arse response by me. The point is, so are we (going strong). So something to be said for the heroes on both sides that made each diametrically opposed ideal work. Think about what that means. Seriously.
 

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