Wikileaks reveals Saudi links with Haqqani Network

[OTTOMAN]

Hi,

Son i was born and raised in jeddah.
I have myself in seen How when iqama was a greeb book and for foreigners it was Red, and how they got treatment!

We face racism from both side, at least Saudis are not arrogant or out of their mind when they deal with other countries like Iran

Billo forget Iran for a moment, you should try to secure residence permit of some European country, and live there then you'll be in position to give judgments.

I have lived in KSA / Jeddah (worked in Jeddah oil refinery too) and never had any troubles of residence permit.
If you are legal than 'mandoob' of your company will take care of residence permit without you (Pakistani) being involved at any stage.
It's a foreign country and all need residence permit, irrespective whether born in Jeddah, in Pakistan or NewYork.

Trust me KSA is heaven for Pakistanis as compare to rest of the world, incl. Pakistan.

The meeting between Nasiruddin and the Saudi envoy took place a fortnight after Afghan President Hamid Karzai met then-President Asif Zardari and then-Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani to ask for their help in arranging a meeting with Taliban leader Mullah Omar. Gen Kayani, according to one of the Saudi cables, had suggested that Karzai meet the Haqqani leadership. Karzai had told Gen Kayani that he did not have any qualms meeting with the Haqqani leaders, but feared that they would not be willing to see him.

Why only Saudis are mentioned in the title? Oh I see its the usual hypocrisy

 

[salarsikander]

Billo forget Iran for a moment, you should try to secure residence permit of some European country, and live there then you'll be in position to give judgments.

I have lived in KSA / Jeddah (worked in Jeddah oil refinery too) and never had any troubles of residence permit.
If you are legal than 'mandoob' of your company will take care of residence permit without you (Pakistani) being involved at any stage.
It's a foreign country and all need residence permit, irrespective whether born in Jeddah, in Pakistan or NewYork.

Trust me KSA is heaven for Pakistanis as compare to rest of the world, incl. Pakistan.



Why only Saudis are mentioned in the title? Oh I see its the usual hypocrisy

Sure talk about now, when there is green red issue.
And listen next time you quote me mind your tongue,
Oh did I tewl you I have uk indefinite visavisa, as in was not interested in having second passport.

And yes no country on earth is comparable to medieval laws of kingdom.
Tell me what do you do if your iqama gets expired by the fault of manddob at the company you work ?
And what about the change in spsponsorship??

 

[Serpentine]

When it comes to Pakistani, the worst racism we face is in Iran... they will issue residence permit to uneducated Indian labor without looking at his face, but would not hire Persian speaking Balochs, from just across the border.

So, besides defending Saudis here 24/7, you also lie like this for them? What have they given you?

Can you show me the number of Indian labors in Iran? I mean, how pathetically can someone stand up and lie in your face?

Correct me if I'm wrong; Haqqani group is TTP?

On a general note, there seems to be a trend in demonising the Arab land. I saw on PDF, alleged contacts with Zionists, then 11/9 attack role of Princes and now Haqqani people. Does this not seem to be a build up of propaganda for eventual regime change? Does it not always start like this?

When the eventual coming of Christendom; do the Iranians agree with disturbing the blessed soil of the haramain sharifain?

This is an article published in a Pakistani paper, it was also published by Dawn news, so they must also be working to give a bad image to Saudis, only because some Pakistanis love Saudis so much that they can't believe anything even slightly evil about them.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

So, besides defending Saudis here 24/7, you also lie like this for them? What have they given you?

Can you show me the number of Indian labors in Iran? I mean, how pathetically can someone stand up and lie in your face?



This is an article published in a Pakistani paper, it was also published by Dawn news, so they must also be working to give a bad image to Saudis, only because some Pakistanis love Saudis so much that they can't believe anything even slightly evil about them.

Bhai, I am not interested if the information came from Pakistani or Iranian sources. Christendom have been demonising the Arab land, my question was can the Iranians allow the blessed soil to be disturbed in an eventual attack? The Haramain sharifain is holy to us as it is to you!

 

[Serpentine]

Bhai, I am not interested if the information came from Pakistani or Iranian sources. Christendom have been demonising the Arab land, my question was can the Iranians allow the blessed soil to be disturbed in an eventual attack? The Haramain sharifain is holy to us as it is to you!

And why should 'Haramain Sharifain' be disturbed? By who? If there is an attack on Mecca or Medina, it's the duty of every Muslim to defend it. What does it have to do with this thread?

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

And why should 'Haramain Sharifain' be disturbed? By who? If there is an attack on Mecca or Medina, it's the duty of every Muslim to defend it. What does it have to do with this thread?

I hate repeating posts. There is a demonising campaign against the Saudis, Haqqani group are International terrorists (i think) like demonising of Saddam and the fake AQ link. Saudi Princes have been alleged to have supported 11/9 attack, etc, etc. Saudis are not seen favorably in Christendom.

This points to one thing war on their land. Would Iranians stand back and watch it happen or defend the land?

 

[OTTOMAN]

Sure talk about now, when there is green red issue.
And listen next time you quote me mind your tongue,
Oh did I tewl you I have uk indefinite visavisa, as in was not interested in having second passport.

And yes no country on earth is comparable to medieval laws of kingdom.
Tell me what do you do if your iqama gets expired by the fault of manddob at the company you work ?
And what about the change in spsponsorship??

I wanted to leave... but answering your falsification one last time.

Red= Non Muslims
Green= Muslims.

Pakistanis have red and green both, this cant be translated to racism. If you live in Europe you also have to declare your religion, there its the barcode or number, which hide all colors.
You have visa of UK because you are living and working in KSA, not many Pakistanis living and working in Pakistan, can get UK visa for life time, I also doubt if you are allowed to work in UK with same visa.. as long its not of asylum! while Iqama also means work permit.

Now in KSA, If your company doesn't need you than your Iqama will not be renewed, but if your company needs you than your iqama will be renewed..one way or another.
When you are born there, this means your iqama was getting renewed regularly, irrespective of your association with enemies of KSA.

Change in sponsorship is simple... you need NOC from your current employer, who has spent money in form of govt. fees and handling expenses of visa process, your airticket, your car, your settlement allowances etc. etc. and there may be case that you owe your employer! So rules made considering worst case scenario not best case!
Once you have NOC, your iqama will be transferred to the second employer or you may be self employed as you wish.
Friend of mine from Lahore, graduate of UET, he secured his NOC from the same company, I used to work for, and joined AREVA KSA, than another NOC and today he owns his own company in KSA.
He is not a lone case, I know many other private contractors from Pakistan running their own companies.
I remember 6-7 years back foreign investment limit was very low, which has been raised now.

BTW... I have heard stories of many WAPDA employees going to KSA on deputation and leaving after securing settlement allowance and companies adopting rules accordingly.

 

[Serpentine]

I hate repeating posts. There is a demonising campaign against the Saudis, Haqqani group are International terrorists (i think) like demonising of Saddam and the fake AQ link. Saudi Princes have been alleged to have supported 11/9 attack, etc, etc. Saudis are not seen favorably in Christendom.

This points to one thing war on their land. Would Iranians stand back and watch it happen or defend the land?

Mecca and Medina are separate issues than Saudi-Iran relations, in case of an attack, it's everyone's duty to respond, including Iran's. But there isn't going to be an attack against Medina, Mecca or KSA, let me assure you. It's not a demonizing campaign, and it's not like Al-Saud is spreading love across ME and world.

 

[OTTOMAN]

And why should 'Haramain Sharifain' be disturbed? By who? If there is an attack on Mecca or Medina, it's the duty of every Muslim to defend it. What does it have to do with this thread?

Iranian pilgrims and their Pakistani followers, have once or twice attacked Mecca during Hajj.
On various occasions, Iranian pilgrims ware apprehended with C4 explosives.

Can you show me the number of Indian labors in Iran? I mean, how pathetically can someone stand up and lie in your face?

Defending Saudi is not a crime? unless its crime in your eyes!
While i was clarifying the residence permit issue based on my knowledge and experience, wonder where you see 'defending'?

And how can I show you, Indians working in Iran? All i can say, I have worked with them my self, slept in same villas,, this is Ramadan and I swear to Allah.
Indians work in Iranian industries, they work in hotels, they run restaurants in middle of Tehran. They come to work at various Iranian ports.

What hurt me most is.... I have seen Iranian graduates working at hotel receptions or restaurants, because govt. jobs are only for clergy acquaintances and most of private companies are also owned by the clergy, even for a tiny business one need license from corrupt clergy, and corruption is every where.

 

[salarsikander]

I wanted to leave... but answering your falsification one last time.

Red= Non Muslims
Green= Muslims.

Pakistanis have red and green both, this cant be translated to racism. If you live in Europe you also have to declare your religion, there its the barcode or number, which hide all colors.
You have visa of UK because you are living and working in KSA, not many Pakistanis living and working in Pakistan, can get UK visa for life time, I also doubt if you are allowed to work in UK with same visa.. as long its not of asylum! while Iqama also means work permit.

Now in KSA, If your company doesn't need you than your Iqama will not be renewed, but if your company needs you than your iqama will be renewed..one way or another.
When you are born there, this means your iqama was getting renewed regularly, irrespective of your association with enemies of KSA.

Change in sponsorship is simple... you need NOC from your current employer, who has spent money in form of govt. fees and handling expenses of visa process, your airticket, your car, your settlement allowances etc. etc. and there may be case that you owe your employer! So rules made considering worst case scenario not best case!
Once you have NOC, your iqama will be transferred to the second employer or you may be self employed as you wish.
Friend of mine from Lahore, graduate of UET, he secured his NOC from the same company, I used to work for, and joined AREVA KSA, than another NOC and today he owns his own company in KSA.
He is not a lone case, I know many other private contractors from Pakistan running their own companies.
I remember 6-7 years back foreign investment limit was very low, which has been raised now.

Hi,
dont tell me this story, as i said i was born here.

Secondly, Do you know what indefinite visa actually means?,
Who told you i got that VIsa because i m working and living in KSA?
Do you see my flags?

Please either do some research or simply asking before opening your big mouth. It means, indefinite leave to remain in Uk. even if you come here on student Visa your rights are same as any british citizen for that matter. Having indefinite means I can live for as long as i wish, without any restrictions and can legally work without any kafeel slave sponsorship system. Basically i m a british citizen without British passport. (I can keep passport if i want to, but i would rather have my green passport)

You're entitled to become citizen in any european country once you spend enough time to qualify for citizenship. How much time have you spend in Saudia? 25 years? spend your entire lifetime, even then you won't be treated as human ! let alone get getting any recognition.

Before judging people, what do you know about ,me? that youre saying associating myself with enemies of KSA

I have my self-respect and I will not act like some Paudi, i will state what is genuinely right.

Foreigners cannot own a company or any property. It is Saudi who does that( which uis ur kafeel) so son he can kick you anytime if he want the business, in fact he can report you as marhoob and you cant do jack about it.

First visit any European country and then talk about it. Thos private contractor will have their Bum kicked as it is legal to run a company for Saudi. They can ONLY WORK FOR Saudi.

I get to hear this a lot from Saudi, if i oppose them that means I support Iran and, when I Oppose Iran they call me wahhabi.
I am Muslim and Pakistani. And we all know how 3rd world countries citizen are treated in immigration counters

You dont want me to post articles on hardship faced by third world country population.

Show me which muslim had Green iqama book (which is quite old anyway)
How many Asylum are issued by So called Kingdom of Arabia and how many by Western countries.

Lets see can you own a private property in Islamic kingdom? can you get if not nationality but Temporary residence ?

How many of you can get married to Saudis? especially when Pakistanis are in the list of banned nationality.
Saudi men banned from marrying Pakistani women - The Express Tribune
Saudi men can’t marry women from Pakistan, Bangladesh... - Emirates 24|7


Hell in Europe you can call your extended families based on Humanitarian laws ( even though they dont have proper family system like us Eastern people) And show me how easy it is to get family visa?



So before blabbing visit a european country and the compare!
No wonder you have no flags and -17 ratings

By the way with No offence to Al Saudi member this was just presented as argument to a person who was acting more Saudi than saudis themselves

 

[salarsikander]

[QUOTE="OTTOMAN, post: 7324221, member: 27716"]you may be self employed as you wish[/QUOTE]
Hi, how much time have spent in KSa by the way?

There is no such thing as self-employed in KSA!

If you are talking about Azaad visa, get it and the when you get caught by working for person other than employer you get deported right away, with all your savings blocked !

Please read Arab news and educate yourself on these matter before you get caught by jawazat

 

[OTTOMAN]

@salarsikander
You are ignorant due to your utter hate for KSA and defence.pk is heaven for the world hater congress, to throw it out, this hate does not let you understand any thing, and instead of asking for clarifications you start winning battles for khumeni.
Look what you did with your post in anger... talking left right showing evil of Arabs, instead of comparing Saudi residence permit with rest of the world.

One thing i know, Saudi Arabia is the best living place in whole world for likes of you.

With self employed, I meant investment visa... where you can not only keep your self employed as entrepreneur, rather can request for work visa for more employees according to the regulations.
I was stating that the bar of investment has been raised few years back, but still many foreign contractors are getting registered as a local company. There are Japanese, Italians, Chinese, Indians and Pakistanis as well.

I know the rules of KSA well enough, which are not very alien and are comparatively better than many other states of world, where you need to help yourself.

some links for your enlightenment:
Saudi Arabian General Investment Authority: Investment incentives

Here is quote from Saudi law for investment and is directly from interior ministry.

Article 2:
Without prejudice to the provisions of the laws and agreements, the authority shall issue a license for foreign capital investment in any investment activity in the Kingdom, whether permanent or temporary.
The authority shall act on the investment application within 30 days of the submission of all the documents required by the regulation. If the specified period lapses without the authority acting on the application, it shall issue the required license to the investor.
If the authority rejects the application within the prescribed period, the decision must be justified, and the party whose application has been rejected shall have the right to appeal such decision according to laws.

 

[salarsikander]

@salarsikander
You are ignorant due to your utter hate for KSA and defence.pk is heaven for the world hater congress, to throw it out, this hate does not let you understand any thing, and instead of asking for clarifications you start winning battles for khumeni.
Look what you did with your post in anger... talking left right showing evil of Arabs, instead of comparing Saudi residence permit with rest of the world.

One thing i know, Saudi Arabia is the best living place in whole world for likes of you.

With self employed, I meant investment visa... where you can not only keep your self employed as entrepreneur, rather can request for work visa for more employees according to the regulations.
I was stating that the bar of investment has been raised few years back, but still many foreign contractors are getting registered as a local company. There are Japanese, Italians, Chinese, Indians and Pakistanis as well.

I know the rules of KSA well enough, which are not very alien and are comparatively better than many other states of world, where you need to help yourself.

some links for your enlightenment:
Saudi Arabian General Investment Authority: Investment incentives

Here is quote from Saudi law for investment and is directly from interior ministry.

Article 2:
Without prejudice to the provisions of the laws and agreements, the authority shall issue a license for foreign capital investment in any investment activity in the Kingdom, whether permanent or temporary.
The authority shall act on the investment application within 30 days of the submission of all the documents required by the regulation. If the specified period lapses without the authority acting on the application, it shall issue the required license to the investor.
If the authority rejects the application within the prescribed period, the decision must be justified, and the party whose application has been rejected shall have the right to appeal such decision according to laws.

Hi,
i am not ignorant but a man with self-respect, pointing out irregularities in the so-called Islamic kingdom.
And show me one post where i hvae supported Iran ??? before judging me
As i have said, i equally hate both entities for using religion as tool to manipulate masses.

rules better like what you mean kafala system, which equates to modern day slavery ?
surely so much for sucking up to them. My dear visit other countries before making comparison.

It seems after PAkistan KSA was and has been the only place that you have visited