Wikileaks reveals Saudi links with Haqqani Network

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Wikileaks reveals Saudi links with Haqqani Network | Pakistan Today

The Saudi embassy in Islamabad stayed in touch with the Haqqani Network and also facilitated medical treatment for militant group’s leader, reveals cables published by Wikileaks.

The cables, published by WikiLeaks, have provided a rare insight into the contacts between Saudi officials and the Haqqani Network in the recent past.

The Saudi foreign ministry had — in a statement released after WikiLeaks started publishing the cables — expressed concern over their public release, but said the information contained in the leaked documents did not contradict Saudi Arabia’s known position on foreign policy matters.

The Saudi government has, meanwhile, not acknowledged these cables as authentic and asked its citizens to ignore them.

One of the cables, signed by former Saudi Ambassador to Pakistan Abdul Aziz Ibrahim Saleh Al Ghadeer, details his meeting with Nasiruddin Haqqani, one of the sons of Haqqani network chief Jalaluddin Haqqani. The meeting between the ambassador and Nasiruddin took place on February 15, 2012.

The venue of the meeting has not been mentioned, but the ambassador usually held meetings either at the embassy or his residence, both of which are located in the heavily guarded Diplomatic Enclave and remains under the watchful eyes of Pakistani intelligence agencies, says the cable.

During the meeting, Nasiruddin conveyed his father’s request for treatment at a Saudi hospital, in view of his medical condition, to King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz.

Another cable, dated February 25, 2012, says that the nature of ailment had been explained to Ambassador Ghadeer. The communication, however, did not precisely mention the disease from which he was suffering.

Media accounts claimed that Jalaluddin, who would have been 62 years old in 2012, was suffering from Parkinson’s disease, while another news report said he was a patient of Lupus.

Ambassador Ghadeer’s cable noted that Jalaluddin was based in Waziristan at the time and that doctors had recommended his hospitalisation.

The meeting between Nasiruddin and the Saudi envoy took place a fortnight after Afghan President Hamid Karzai met then-President Asif Zardari and then-Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani to ask for their help in arranging a meeting with Taliban leader Mullah Omar. Gen Kayani, according to one of the Saudi cables, had suggested that Karzai meet the Haqqani leadership. Karzai had told Gen Kayani that he did not have any qualms meeting with the Haqqani leaders, but feared that they would not be willing to see him.

 

[SALMAN F]

Wikileaks reveals Saudi links with Haqqani Network | Pakistan Today

The Saudi embassy in Islamabad stayed in touch with the Haqqani Network and also facilitated medical treatment for militant group’s leader, reveals cables published by Wikileaks.

The cables, published by WikiLeaks, have provided a rare insight into the contacts between Saudi officials and the Haqqani Network in the recent past.

The Saudi foreign ministry had — in a statement released after WikiLeaks started publishing the cables — expressed concern over their public release, but said the information contained in the leaked documents did not contradict Saudi Arabia’s known position on foreign policy matters.

The Saudi government has, meanwhile, not acknowledged these cables as authentic and asked its citizens to ignore them.

One of the cables, signed by former Saudi Ambassador to Pakistan Abdul Aziz Ibrahim Saleh Al Ghadeer, details his meeting with Nasiruddin Haqqani, one of the sons of Haqqani network chief Jalaluddin Haqqani. The meeting between the ambassador and Nasiruddin took place on February 15, 2012.

The venue of the meeting has not been mentioned, but the ambassador usually held meetings either at the embassy or his residence, both of which are located in the heavily guarded Diplomatic Enclave and remains under the watchful eyes of Pakistani intelligence agencies, says the cable.

During the meeting, Nasiruddin conveyed his father’s request for treatment at a Saudi hospital, in view of his medical condition, to King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz.

Another cable, dated February 25, 2012, says that the nature of ailment had been explained to Ambassador Ghadeer. The communication, however, did not precisely mention the disease from which he was suffering.

Media accounts claimed that Jalaluddin, who would have been 62 years old in 2012, was suffering from Parkinson’s disease, while another news report said he was a patient of Lupus.

Ambassador Ghadeer’s cable noted that Jalaluddin was based in Waziristan at the time and that doctors had recommended his hospitalisation.

The meeting between Nasiruddin and the Saudi envoy took place a fortnight after Afghan President Hamid Karzai met then-President Asif Zardari and then-Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani to ask for their help in arranging a meeting with Taliban leader Mullah Omar. Gen Kayani, according to one of the Saudi cables, had suggested that Karzai meet the Haqqani leadership. Karzai had told Gen Kayani that he did not have any qualms meeting with the Haqqani leaders, but feared that they would not be willing to see him.

al-Hasani/banu hashim/saif al-arab

Would tell you stop your farsi obsession about your culturally linguistically ethnically religiously and militarily conquered who is obsessed with his arab conquer masters

What do you say @Saif al-Arab

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Just before we begin.

Iran and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1) Haqqani never travelled to KSA for treatment.

2) Wikileaks are not to be fully trusted, a lot of the so-called "secrets" are not even secrets but well-known policies. None are barely secrets as evident by the "discoveries". I personally took a look at hundreds of documents myself and a lot of them are obvious fakes and some even contain Farsi writing to make it even funnier.

3) Whatever KSA is doing in Afghanistan has the blessing/knowledge of Pakistan.

4) The Haqqani network have ties with all the players in the region like almost every group. Even Taliban of all groups is holding talks with Pakistan, Afghanistan and the US regularly and talking/cooperating with all 3 when it suits all 3 parties.

5) Much of their donations (which is mostly irrelevant for them as they survive by other means such as opium etc.) come from wealthy Pakistanis/Afghans based in the GCC.

6) Pakistani ISI has infiltrated them long ago.

7) A thread has already been created about this topic so you might follow your own rules before lecturing others (such as me) of posting apparent duplicate threads such as this one below;

Iran Pays Afghans to Fight for Assad

8) You are still obsessed about KSA and the 450 million Arabs like most Farsis.

9) Lastly let me give my personal opinion about this. Out of the 27 million or so native Saudi Arabians nowadays my guess is that less than 0,5% have a clue about what the hell the Haqqani Network is and my other guess is that less than 10-20 individuals are even donating to them to begin with.

Also whatever the House of Saud is doing is not the responsibility of Saudi Arabians as we have not elected them unlike your terror sponsoring Mullah's in Qom and Tehran.

Also look what I found.

"Gul Agha is also a close adviser and confidant of Mullah Omar, the head of the Afghan Taliban. He is a childhood friend of Omar, and once served as his “personal financial secretary.” In addition, Gul Agha has facilitated Taliban support from Iran, according to the Treasury. In December 2005, Gul Agha “facilitated the movement of people and goods to Taliban training camps in Iran.”

US adds Haqqani Network, Taliban leaders to list of designated terrorists | The Long War Journal

What a joke all this is.

@SALMAN AL-FARSI

It's funny because it is true and his likes confirm it each single day here and elsewhere. He thinks that by making such threads he will make it appear like 99,9% of all Saudi Arabians are involved in this nonsense news or even have a clue about what the Haqqani network is in the first place. I better start sending some riyals now. Got a job to do. I personally could not care less about such groups. One would think that he was an Icelandic dude and not a Farsi. Talk about throwing rocks when you live in the biggest glass house out there, lol.

 

[salarsikander]

come from wealthy Pakistanis/Afghans based in the GCC.

Hi,
Such as ? the ones working under Iqama

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Hi,
Such as ? the ones working under Iqama

Sir, are you telling me that you do not know about all the wealthy South Asians in the GCC be it Pakistanis, Afghans, Indians and Bangladeshis? Many billionaires even mostly living in UAE but KSA also have their share.

If it was up to me (I am not the House of Saud) I would do more to regulate the flow of money. Many criminals are using the GCC to whitewash their money. Even some Westerners. The laws should toughen up and GCC money should not flow to dubious groups who are only begging for money/support.

In fact GCC should not donate any money abroad unless for humanitarian purposes. We want some donations too though.

 

[salarsikander]

Sir, are you telling me that you do not know about all the wealthy South Asians in the GCC be it Pakistanis, Afghans, Indians and Bangladeshis? Many billionaires even mostly living in UAE but KSA also have their share.

If it was up to me (I am not the House of Saud) I would do more to regulate the flow of money. Many criminals are using the GCC to whitewash their money. Even some Westerners. The laws should toughen up and GCC money should not flow to dubious groups who are only begging for money/support.

Hi,
They already are. You cant remit without Iqama, You cant have more money in your a/c, if the profession of your Iqama states as such. So you possible cant send more money without alarming the authorities. Its more than regulated

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Hi,
They already are. You cant remit without Iqama, You cant have more money in your a/c, if the profession of your Iqama states as such. So you possible cant send more money without alarming the authorities. Its more than regulated

Trust me the GCC despite all the work to prevent it, is an fairly easy target for criminals to exploit. Iqama itself is a insufficient system, outdated and a abused system. Fundamental changes are needed. UAE for instance is a hot-bed for money laundering and the government there is trying to stop a lot of it but is not succeeding with everything.

Criminals etc. have their ways. Whether foreigners or local accomplices.

Being tough on crime is the way forward.

 

[salarsikander]

Trust me the GCC despite all the work to prevent it, is an fairly easy target for criminals to exploit. Iqama itself is a insufficient system, outdated and a abused system. Fundamental changes are needed. UAE for instance is a hot-bed for money laundering and the government there is trying to stop a lot of it but is not succeeding with everything.

Criminals etc. have their ways. Whether foreigners or local accomplices.

Being tough on crime is the way forward.

Hi,
Unless the govt themselves stops the flow of fund, then its another thing.
As far as I know saudia Is the only country that would freeze your bank a/c when your Iqama get expired, having such medieval rules in place will no doubt ensure that no such money at least from foreigners in Kingdom is transferred for illicit purposes

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Hi,
Unless the govt themselves stops the flow of fund, then its another thing.
As far as I know saudia Is the only country that would freeze your bank a/c when your Iqama get expired, having such medieval rules in place will no doubt ensure that no such money at least from foreigners in Kingdom is transferred for illicit purposes

It is extremely easy for foreigners to borrow money in KSA. Many borrow huge sums of money and then leave the country never to be seen again. Anyway the Iqama system must be reformed or abolished.

What I told you is correct. GCC is still an easy target for organized criminals in terms of money laundering and everyone is involved (locals, Westerners, South Asians, Africans etc.).

Being tough on crime is the way forward. Criminals must be hunted down and more money given to police and intelligence.

Law and order must rule but GCC is already tough on crime but we hear bitching even from Arab media let alone Western when we execute dirty murderers, pedophiles and drug dealers. PDF Is part of this.

 

[salarsikander]

Law and order must rule but GCC is already tough on crime but we hear bitching even from Arab media let alone Western when we execute dirty murderers, pedophiles and drug dealers. PDF Is part of this.

Hi,
I for one will only support those executions if they are legally justified.
Most of the executions i see are only for poor third world countries, with Maids taking significant share.
And i remember a certain Imam that was pedo who killed hos own daughter but was later granted amnesty, even after victim's mother. Because he belonged to Mutawa institution (HAIA)

It is extremely easy for foreigners to borrow money in KSA. Many borrow huge sums of money and then leave the country never to be seen again.

Hi,
This could be said for any western country or perhaps for UAE, definitely not fo saudi

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Hi,
I for one will only support those executions if they are legally justified.
Most of the executions i see are only for poor third world countries, with Maids taking significant share

Murder, terrorism, drug smuggling, rape, armed robbery, kidnapping etc. is punishable by death in KSA.

No, maids are only executed when they kill. Most are caught red-handed. Even if some are treated poorly (which itself is wrong) it does not give them license to kill babies or children or those they work for.

In any case no system is perfect but I am talking in general. I prefer law and order to rule than chaos. I have zero tolerance for murderers, drug smugglers, rapists, terrorists etc.

Before you get a visa to KSA it is written with big capital letters in both English, Arabic and the language of the country you come from that death penalty can occur in KSA for crimes x or y.

In any case KSA executes less than 100 people on a yearly basis and crime levels are very low.

Also of course it is evident that innocents should not be targeted but faults are normal for humans. Even in the US several innocent people have been executed and many more have spent ages on death row. It's wrong but hard to fully remove. Minimizing it should be the goal.

Hi,
This could be said for any western country or perhaps for UAE, definitely not fo saudi

No, it's easy in KSA. Even Westerners writing about KSA are saying this. Just make a google search. Anyway we are off-topic.

@salarsikander

That mentally ill person was no real cleric (he participated in some religious talk-show once, lol) and he is behind bars in a psychiatric ward and likely never to be released. The news has already been disproven and discussed to death here on PDF.

Anyway this is not about the judicial system of KSA which has its faults like any other. I am just telling you that in general KSA is very tough on crime and I support that. Just like China, Singapore, Vietnam, Indonesia etc. are and other Arab countries. Pakistan has tough laws too. Pakistan should have a zero tolerance for such crimes too.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

The Saudi embassy in Islamabad stayed in touch with the Haqqani Network and also facilitated medical treatment for militant group’s leader, reveals cables published by Wikileaks.

Correct me if I'm wrong; Haqqani group is TTP?

On a general note, there seems to be a trend in demonising the Arab land. I saw on PDF, alleged contacts with Zionists, then 11/9 attack role of Princes and now Haqqani people. Does this not seem to be a build up of propaganda for eventual regime change? Does it not always start like this?

When the eventual coming of Christendom; do the Iranians agree with disturbing the blessed soil of the haramain sharifain?

 

[salarsikander]

Murder, terrorism, drug smuggling, rape, armed robbery, kidnapping etc. is punishable by death in KSA.

Hi,
And I do respect that, as i said previously but it should be equally dispensed. Now don't give that prince example

 

[OTTOMAN]

Hi,
Unless the govt themselves stops the flow of fund, then its another thing.
As far as I know saudia Is the only country that would freeze your bank a/c when your Iqama get expired, having such medieval rules in place will no doubt ensure that no such money at least from foreigners in Kingdom is transferred for illicit purposes

When you have no idea of the subject, than keep quite...

Iqama = residence permit
How many countries residence system you find better than Iqama system of Saudi Arabia?

Please, google before you post any thing further!
As a hint, European residence permit is based on racism and its the law! which is not the case with Saudi Residence permit.
When it comes to Pakistani, the worst racism we face is in Iran... they will issue residence permit to uneducated Indian labor without looking at his face, but would not hire Persian speaking Balochs, from just across the border.

 

[salarsikander]

When you have no idea of the subject, than keep quite...

Iqama = residence permit
How many countries residence system you find better than Iqama system of Saudi Arabia?

Please, google before you post any thing further!
As a hint, European residence permit is based on racism and its the law! which is not the case with Saudi Residence permit.
When it comes to Pakistani, the worst racism we face is in Iran... they will issue residence permit to uneducated Indian labor without looking at his face, but would not hire Persian speaking Balochs, from just across the border.

Hi,

Son i was born and raised in jeddah.
I have myself in seen How when iqama was a greeb book and for foreigners it was Red, and how they got treatment!

We face racism from both side, at least Saudis are not arrogant or out of their mind when they deal with other countries like Iran