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Why Osama's death is not good news for India

Some Indians have utter misconceptions about Pakistan's intentions in Afghanistan. Let me make them clear to you:

1. Pakistan doesn't want terrorism inside Afghanistan
2. Pakistan wants a Pakistan friendly government, & an anti-Indian government. In other words, an Islamist government (not a secular one like India), not a terrorist one.

Haqqani network & various factions fulfill this requirement, because they are willing to participate in the peace process in Afghanistan while catering for Pakistan's interests. They are an Islamist government as well. They are ethnic Afghan Pashtuns too, the biggest ethnic group in Afghanistan.

Indians that are saying Pakistan doesn't have control of the Taliban have completely lost their minds. Pakistan has control of all the Afghan Taliban, ethnic Afghan Pashtuns. Mullah Omar is like the godfather of everyone in Afghanistan. It doesn't have control over the Pakistani Taliban, Pakistani citizens that are few in number, have nothing to do with getting into power in Afghanistan & were getting their sanctuaries in Afghanistan from the US in Khost, Kunar & Nuristan. Pakistan will easily terminate this bacteria now that the US drone strikes aren't taking place that produce more terrorists than kill them. With Pakistan's role & the WOT essentially over, there will be no more drone strikes, & the Pakistan government will get back the support of the people again to terminate this bacteria, the 'TTP'.

China also needs Pakistan to contain its insurgency in Xinjuang, along with looking after its economic interests, for which Pakistan is essential. So its support for Pakistan will never go away. Pakistan will need China as well in these coming years, & China will never leave Pakistan 'high & dry' which the US just did to its 'ally' India. And btw, the FATA is only 2% of Pakistan's land area, & North Waziristan where they specifically conducted drone strikes is 0.5% of Pakistan's land area. That too with Pakistan's approval. The basic problem was the TTP that killed innocent civilians through terrorism, & now Pakistan has the perfect chance to eradicate them easily.
 
Its funny to see Pakistanis planning their next strategic move in kicking India in Afghanistan when their own a$$ was brutally violated by US in the past few days , their credibility as a viable nation at an all time low and various world leaders asking them for 'explanations' on why the world's most wanted terrorist was living comfortably in a a million dollar mansion in a garrison town with a serving Major Gen as the neighbour and just 800 yards from the PMA Kakul. What an ignominy !. If I were a Pakistani I would be hanging my head in shame and be doing some soul-searching instead of writing these brainless trash.Yet.....

And it is double funny to see all this planning including China as if they are the spokesperson for China because they know in their deep hearts that they are nothing without the word "China" appended to Pakistan. :lol:

It's even more funny to see the Indians deliberately suspend reading comprehension when news comes from none other than rediff.com -- the bastion of hardcore Indian jingoism -- just because the info is unpalatable. Just the thought of China is enough to get the Indian jingoists all tied up in knots, but the fact is the US looks out for US interests. They have evidently given up on India's bungling in Afghanistan and, always keen to exit gracefully, have cut a deal with China and Pakistan.

Poor old India is left out in the cold... :rofl:

Here's a cut from the original rediff article:

Further, an arrangement to tap Afghanistan's natural resources might have been reached between the US, China and Pakistan. It would torpedo the plans of a consortium of Indian steel companies who are keen to bid for the iron ore mines there.

It would be safe to assume that Pakistani actions take into account gains for China who would like to fill the strategic vacuum after US' exit. Also geo-politically, Afghanistan becomes strategically significant for China as China has developed sizeable strategic stakes in Pakistan, Iran and the Central Asian Republics.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh might gloat over the Indo-US nuclear deal and unilateral concessions to Pakistan but the US is guided by only one principle -- its own national interest.

p.s.; If anyone thinks that the US Afghan exit has started - think again. Now the USG can easily justify their continued presence in Afg by citing their sucess in the case of taking out OBL. Most importantly of all India has weathered 64 summers in Kashmir against all odds and this wont change the situation in Kashmir a bit. If at all we ll have a dozen more jihadi scums trying to cross over. Time to increase bullet production in Ordanance factories.

The US is in no mood to stick around in Afghanistan. They cannot babysit the Afghans forever: they wanted a milestone event to say "Mission Accomplished" and leave.

Kashmir is irrelevant to the discussion. This is about the future of Afghanistan.
 
From what logic do indians think that Pakistan was allied with Al Quaida??? Come on Pakistani strategic alliance in Afganistan were Taliban, Haqqai and Mullah Omar...Osama was a nuisance who poked in between and hijacked the whole taliban thing...we consider him an enemy of ours as much as the US do. Indians need to out grow their wishful thinking...Osama was a symbolic road block to Afghan peace process and Taliban reconciliation..a very big strategic hindrance for Pakistan because its strategic depth in Afghanistan is directly connected to power grip of various Taliban and Pashtuns faction..Indians should worry more and rejoice less...It might be the time they get completely eliminated from Afghanistan.

Important Points:

1. American withdraw from Afghanistan spells dark future for Indian presence.
2. Eventually the giants of Asia (Russia and China) will agree to work in best of region favor and Pakistan will likely follow suite..India will then be seen as a collaborators with colonials (Americans) and left isolated.
3. China has the diplomatic and financial muscle to woo Afghanistan and influence its events...China enjoys positive influence in the Arab world, Pakistan acts as its force multiplier and soon there will be Sino-Saudi and Pak-GCC strategic pact unleashed.

A shrewd man is always a tactical loser..India will wake up to its reality soon..
 
If Pakistan had intervened in any way, OBL's supporters would be targetting Pakistan. The only way was for Pakistan to completely get out of the way and let the Americans carry out the operation.

On topic, the analysis is correct. The Indian gloating will turn to hand-wringing as soon as the US hands over the reins of control in Afghanistan to China.


Do you really believe that statement? USA will hand over the reins of control to China?? While all the time seeking to create new partners to counter China. The Americans will introduce Russia and 'other players' into Afghanistan, in a "new re-alignment".
China......................?
 
Actually, killing OBL is a great news.

Those who think killing him will bring more terror really do not see the reality.

9/11 is the paramount height for terrorists.

After U.S. resolution to beat down those terrorists, those terrorists are pretty much slaughtered day in and day out. OBL's death is another big blow to terrorists.

Terrorists will only see more and more their "leaders" on fast track to HELL.
 
I am guessing its good news for India. India can now do a similar operation on Muridke and given the performance of the men in charge on our end they will give a statement "Oh we're deeply embarrassed".

IAF is already pressurizing the Indian government that they were capable of doing something similar but the GOI didn't have the guts to give a go ahead.
 
given the state of US pakistan relations and deep mistrust between these two, as long as US remains in afghanistan it will be beneficial to india. there are several pakistanis here on the thread rejoicing on the fact that india might be left cold in afghanistan. but the fact remains it is pakistani establishment who has to answer some very tough questions. The credibility of pakistani govt has hit a new low and no one can deny this fact.

i am pretty much sure, this incident wont have much impact on indian presence in afghanistan.
 
Well, why cant both India and Pakistan leave the Afghans alone?
It is obvious to me that, contrary to Indian claims, they have more than 'humanitarian' interest in Afghanistan, considering the wretched poverty in India itself. So at least be honest and say: We want to encircle you Pakistanis. Just like India tried with the Soviets in the 1980s. On the Pakistani side, at least Kayani is on record to have said that Pakistan will not tolerate an anti-Pakistan Afghanistan.
In between all this are poor Afghans.
Why don't we make peace in Kashmir. If LOC=IB then so be it if it is ensured that Kashmiris--both Pandits and Muslims--are given justice. After all, it is because of Kashmir that we all this drama going on while the others come in from 5000+ miles away to sell weapons to both sides. Are we really that stupid on all sides?
 
Well, why cant both India and Pakistan leave the Afghans alone?
It is obvious to me that, contrary to Indian claims, they have more than 'humanitarian' interest in Afghanistan, considering the wretched poverty in India itself. So at least be honest and say: We want to encircle you Pakistanis. Just like India tried with the Soviets in the 1980s. On the Pakistani side, at least Kayani is on record to have said that Pakistan will not tolerate an anti-Pakistan Afghanistan.
In between all this are poor Afghans.
Why don't we make peace in Kashmir. If LOC=IB then so be it if it is ensured that Kashmiris--both Pandits and Muslims--are given justice. After all, it is because of Kashmir that we all this drama going on while the others come in from 5000+ miles away to sell weapons to both sides. Are we really that stupid on all sides?

India was open to this idea all along. Pakistanis are the one who wanted to keep Kashmir as a 'Core Issue' and refused to accept LOC as IB. Pakistan is the one who at every major international convention is crying 'Kashmir!!! Kashmir' at the top of their voice- not India. Any way good luck selling this idea to your fellow citizens for I am certain that some of them will not take lightly the idea of compromising with 'Kuffars'.

As for Afghanisthan, Indians never had a major presence there until 9/11. We are there now because we do not want Afghanisthan to be the playground of Jihadis- again. Regarding Gen.Kiyani if he have any shame left in him, he should resign along with the chiefs of ISI and Air Defence.
 
I disagree with the thread...
Osama death is good for India: coz
1. It disclosed Pakistani link with terror, It clearly show that there are many ppl in ISI and Pakistan who still support terrorists.
2. Afghanistan will come closer to us, coz they know their enemies are shielded by Pakistan. We can use Afghanistan as base. We can negotiate on kashmir better if we can have influence in Balochistan...
3. If USA leave after Osama death (in 3 or 4 years) we will get time to spread our legs in Afghanistan.
4. if we will make better relation with Iran we can surround pakistan from all four side.. (as China has surrounded us from 2 sides..)
 
Well, why cant both India and Pakistan leave the Afghans alone?
It is obvious to me that, contrary to Indian claims, they have more than 'humanitarian' interest in Afghanistan, considering the wretched poverty in India itself. So at least be honest and say: We want to encircle you Pakistanis. Just like India tried with the Soviets in the 1980s. On the Pakistani side, at least Kayani is on record to have said that Pakistan will not tolerate an anti-Pakistan Afghanistan.
In between all this are poor Afghans.
Why don't we make peace in Kashmir. If LOC=IB then so be it if it is ensured that Kashmiris--both Pandits and Muslims--are given justice. After all, it is because of Kashmir that we all this drama going on while the others come in from 5000+ miles away to sell weapons to both sides. Are we really that stupid on all sides?

LOC=IB??? you are dead man, If ISI will know ur address they will definitely kill you.. If not ISI then Zaid hamid.. :)... by the way Its good idea... lets see how many pakistani brothers endorse it...
 
Its a gud news for everyone as he was another mass killer.
and bad for Pakistan bcoz it is doing its best in this business to provide world class luxury to the terrorist(OBL to Dawood) & still their PM shits out of his mouth n says about intel failure at international level not just at Pakistan level makes Gilani a very sensible PM without brain , had he allowed intel agency different countries to have their base in pakistan before OBL episode ? But full credit goes to Pak army & ISI who is doing justice to their jobs by sheltering such terrorist deep inside the pakistan.. No wonder if OBL had another attack like 9/11 in US then ISI could have rewarded same facility to OBL next PM Gilani official residence in Islamabad...
 
I am guessing its good news for India. India can now do a similar operation on Muridke and given the performance of the men in charge on our end they will give a statement "Oh we're deeply embarrassed".

IAF is already pressurizing the Indian government that they were capable of doing something similar but the GOI didn't have the guts to give a go ahead.

Dear you should not be talking about India's guts... Same time pakistan has got more guts than india no question as we all saw Pakistan guts melted down in Davis case/OBL killing by Navy seal inside deep in Pakistan/ Drone attack inside pakistan with Pakistan protest before US still on......great guts god bless more guts like this to Pakistan......
 

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