Why Only in Pakistan....?

[skyisthelimit]

we are similar to germans they thought they were the best genetic species, we think we are the best muslims.

very well said sir, you stole the words from my lips

 

[ajay]

Bring back Musharraf he is the only hope now

 

[rubyjackass]

Z A Bhutto once described Pakistan as a social lab to conduct various ‘Islamic experiments’.

^^ defines it all , however i am sure ZAB was rather cynical as if he was serious he would have alerted this nation or did some thing to prevent this , i remember BB called talibans her bachay and these snakes bit her to death as well ...... !!!

Brave man NFP is , May Allah keep him safe from all threats and he keeps putting the great work he has done so far.

I think he did not mean any harm. Simple to know. If he said it in public, it means he could be trying to be populist. Otherwise he can be a cynic or enthusiastic Islamist. I choose cynic. In any case he did not wantt all this madness. But kudos to NFP for noticicing the dual meaning in the statement.

So its three possibilities for thee sentence not just two.

 

[American Pakistani]

Bring back Musharraf he is the only hope now

Problem is illiterate people does'nt understand his rule.

I hope he come back.

 

[Parashuram1]

Great Article.

I am a little worried about Nadeem.F.Pracha.Pracha writes very 'frankly' against all these mullahs,talibans,Radicle Islam etc etc.Few years ago , I read his column and first thing came to my mind was "Man...this man got some guts".

Well, the man is strong in his desire to make his country a vibrant, tolerant and progressive country. If the recent assassination has not detered him and his kind, your country does have a definite hope to overcome the current troubles. In my opinion, Pakistani nationals must embrace such writers and intellectuals who are religious but not fanatic and understand the fine balance between communicating to the Supreme and managing state affairs in this world of mankind.

These people are genuinely concerned about your country for they sit in the same extreme current environment and fearlessly stand by their ideals. The Pakistani citizenship must laud such peope and join them in bringing about a revolution that could transform your country.

 

[Meengla]

Immortal words of Faiz Ahmad Faiz--perhaps the most influential Urdu political poet in Pakistan's history--as graced by Nayyara Noor. It is a pity that Zia ul Haq did spare even Faiz. It took the Benazir Bhutto govt. of 1988 which gave first state level recognition to Faiz.
Here it is. With English sub-titles. A poem of defiance against tyranny of all kinds.

YouTube - Ye hath salamat hain jab tak-Faiz Ahmad Faiz by Nayyara Noor

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Why this gloom and doom? Well, the reason being that it is not some 'liberal' or 'secularist' fears to protect our lifestyles. The fear is that voices of dissent are being muzzled.

that is the very essence of it all. the worse part is that this time the madness is from the supposed "moderate" Sunni majority Scholars who issued fatwas against the suicide bombings and both the Pakistani goverment and USA had been praising as a legitimate religous front against the fanatic taliban.
but alas that they are no longer immune to the same madness that dims the mind and sight and one only sees blood and punishment to reinforce his faith.

sad to say it but it appears that only Algerian or Turkey model will work to control this religious firestorm otherwise it will consume us all.

 

[casual]

because people are poor, jobless, and uneducated. when you live in hardship and your future seem hopeless, the promise of a better afterlife though faith seems awfully good. these people are easily manipulated though religion by others who need minions to further their own agenda.

anyways best solution to reverse this problem is to grow the economy. when people have jobs, assets, and hope of a better life, they would be less desperate and will naturally resist being radicalized.

anyways my 2 cents

 

[irfan1173]

AoA
People are mistaken that illetracy,poverty and jobless are causes of it. Our society was systematically radicalized not by poor or illetrate but by rich and elite.Zia was not uneducated. The support for Governor murder by lawyers and and on facebook is not by uneducated people. In fact the poor and illetrate are as much a victim as our liberals are. The only difference is the educated/liberals were able to safe themselves from radicalization but the poor had no choice.
So if anyone to blame for this sorry state of Pakistan is the rich/elite or the establishment/succesive governments.

 

[NWO]

The 1950's and 60's were the best times for Pakistan in my opinion. Pakistan and Japan developed along the same path until the 60's, when Japan sprung up as a first world country but Pakistan has suffered more hardships until it ends up like it currently is.

Makes sense when you think how Pakistan was stuck between the Communist Bear and the Capitalistic Eagle. 'Course, the leaders haven't done much to help either.

 

[Meengla]

Bring back Musharraf he is the only hope now

Talking about Musharraf, you know, Musharraf went after the goons of Lal Masjid finally when these goons became too much of irritant. Musharraf, by nature, was a lenient, rationale, and tolerant person. Despite being the army chief cum president he resisted the pressure to crack down on the goons of Lal Masjid. These goons were occupying libraries, kidnapping Chinese nationals, roamed the streets of Islamabad with sticks in large mobs, and amassed lethal weapons inside a place of worship (Lal Masjid). This was all happening in broad day light.

Finally Musharraf cracked down (July 2007?). There were many rounds of negotiation before that. Led by no less than conservative figures like Ch. Shujaat Hussein and Aijaz ul Haq (Zia's son). But the so-called Islamists demanded too much. Talks broke down. And what ensued was one of the darkest period in Pakistani media's history: Major electronic and print media gave voice to the occupants of the Lal Masjid in live sessions. The results are catastrophic for Pakistani society.
Imagine: FBI raiding the Branch Davidians and CBS, ABC, NBC etc allowing David Koreish live broadcast during the burning inferno!

So....Musharraf had no chance after that. The same virulent and ugly media which emphasized Zulfi Bhutto's drinking, the same media which showed Benazir in short pants, the same media which showed Musharraf holding pet dogs, the same media which showed Taseer's daughters in a swimming pool is at least partly responsible for Pakistan's problem.

I don't think Musharraf has any chance anymore.

 

[Safriz]

Why Pakistanis can never find anything positive about their country and culture?

Can never agree on anything?

Cannot decide if they want to remain Muslims or Atheists?

Come up with either extremist or purely secular definitions of their religion..Nothing in between?

Can find everything nice and good abroad,but never inside their own country?

Can be a good law abiding citizens when abroad,but feel ashamed of following any law of their own country.?

 

[Abu Basit]

Mr Nadeem f Paracha, your taqreers on newspapers have zero value, if you are this much committed , have some balls and make it to the roads for demonstration.

 

[Preach peace]

Talking about Musharraf, you know, Musharraf went after the goons of Lal Masjid finally when these goons became too much of irritant. Musharraf, by nature, was a lenient, rationale, and tolerant person. Despite being the army chief cum president he resisted the pressure to crack down on the goons of Lal Masjid. These goons were occupying libraries, kidnapping Chinese nationals, roamed the streets of Islamabad with sticks in large mobs, and amassed lethal weapons inside a place of worship (Lal Masjid). This was all happening in broad day light.

Finally Musharraf cracked down (July 2007?). There were many rounds of negotiation before that. Led by no less than conservative figures like Ch. Shujaat Hussein and Aijaz ul Haq (Zia's son). But the so-called Islamists demanded too much. Talks broke down. And what ensued was one of the darkest period in Pakistani media's history: Major electronic and print media gave voice to the occupants of the Lal Masjid in live sessions. The results are catastrophic for Pakistani society.
Imagine: FBI raiding the Branch Davidians and CBS, ABC, NBC etc allowing David Koreish live broadcast during the burning inferno!

So....Musharraf had no chance after that. The same virulent and ugly media which emphasized Zulfi Bhutto's drinking, the same media which showed Benazir in short pants, the same media which showed Musharraf holding pet dogs, the same media which showed Taseer's daughters in a swimming pool is at least partly responsible for Pakistan's problem.

I don't think Musharraf has any chance anymore.

Yes , No chance for pervez , cause a military chief who is safegaurding his own life & hiding in UK , coutrymen wont tolerate him , cause he has lost some sort of faith , & it will b very difficult for him to regain faith in masses , who himself ran away from country when his country is living a stressful life , he is considered to b a coward ....

 

[AstanoshKhan]

Problem is illiterate people does'nt understand his rule.

I hope he come back.

Talking of literacy. Well, my personal observation is, the literate has a big hand in bringing Pakistan to a state as we are in today... the article below states some factual analysis too. (thank you Sparklingway for sharing this article)

In defence of the uneducated

By Iqbal Jafar
Saturday, 03 Jul, 2010

A FALSE, even perverse, assumption, if allowed to go unchallenged for a period of time can become part of conventional wisdom.

If it is significant enough it can even find place as an accepted premise in the national discourse. Through this imperceptible process the uneducated Pakistanis have now become the most maligned people in the world.

They are routinely held responsible, in Pakistan and elsewhere, for all sorts of evils — religious intolerance, suicide bombing, dysfunctional democracy, lawlessness, poverty and much else — and are a convenient excuse for the colossal failures of the ruling class, caused by its own insatiable greed and endemic indolence.

The educated Pakistanis, most of whom are ill-educated or miseducated due to an insular curriculum prescribed by more ‘educated’ Pakistanis, tend to believe that but for the burden of illiterate Pakistanis, which they think they carry, they could resolve the problems that have remained intractable so far. Now, what could those problems be, whose resolution is being prevented by this wild horde of ‘unwashed, uncouth, uneducated’ Pakistanis?

Are they the ones who prevent the rich from paying their taxes? Are they the ones who keep nagging the rich and the powerful to have their loans written off ever so often? Are they the ones who have contrived the bankruptcy of even the biggest and most viable state enterprises like Pakistan Steel, Pakistan Railways and PIA? Are they the ones who have received millions of dollars in kickback by buying submarines at twice the real cost?

Are they the ones who run drug, land and arms mafias? Do they oppose appointments on merit and, instead, get their clueless sons, daughters, cousins, nephews and friends appointed as state functionaries? Where would Pakistan be if none of these things was to happen?

The truth is that unlike the ruling class, the illiterate Pakistanis are not social parasites. The reality is just the opposite. They grow food, and are starved themselves. They build houses but often remain homeless. They build schools whose classrooms, they know, their children would never see. They build hospitals where, they know, they would not be looked after. They live at below sustenance level so that others may live in opulence. Even so they are not the ones to cause hatred and discord, unlike the regionalist politicians, sectarian clerics, parochial bureaucrats and the self-appointed guardians of faith and frontier in the military.

By a lucky chance I had the opportunity of being in contact for about 15 years with rural Pakistan, where most of the uneducated Pakistanis live. Over the years I developed a distinct impression that those persons were hardly ever motivated by any kind of hate. I was also impressed by their native wisdom and their natural gift of common sense that had not been distorted or debased by miseducation. However, these were personal impressions, not supported by any kind of evidence that a social scientist would accept. That inadequacy has now been partially overcome.

Recently a survey was conducted by a team of Herald “to pick the brains of 15-to-25-five-years-olds from a broad cross-section of society, from uneducated labourers to Masters degree holders…”. The survey, published in this year’s annual issue of Herald, offers some astonishing conclusions for those who take a dim view of the mindset of uneducated Pakistanis. There is empirical evidence, as we shall presently see, that the uneducated Pakistanis are far more liberal and tolerant than those who haven’t gone beyond school level (matriculates being the most conservative), and are often on the same page as those who have done their Masters!

This is incredible but true. The reason, according to the survey, is that “those who go through the country’s schools and then leave the educational system — after being taught a certain version of Pakistani history but perhaps before developing critical and independent thinking skills — have the most conservative values”. But the evidence gathered indicates that the problem is not confined to the schools and seminaries alone but could extend to colleges and universities.

Here are the responses to these key questions that give some idea of the mindset of the educated and uneducated youth. To the question whether they favoured a secular state, 27 per cent of the uneducated and 31 per cent of the postgraduates replied in the affirmative, but only 12 per cent of the matriculates did so. To the question whether they favoured the punishment of flogging, stoning to death and amputation, 45 per cent of the matriculates and even 39 per cent of the postgraduates replied in the affirmative, while only 25 per cent of the uneducated did so.

Most astonishing were the responses to the question whether suicide attacks in Pakistan were justified. Looking at the responses the survey team concluded that: “The prize for most peace-loving goes to the uneducated — not a single respondent who falls in that bucket thinks suicide attacks in Pakistan are justified.” What is astonishing is that while not a single respondent amongst the uneducated supported suicide attacks, 11 per cent of the matriculates and six per cent even among the postgraduates did support suicide attacks.

These figures, while they do vindicate the uneducated Pakistanis, are a telling indictment of the kind of education imparted in our educational institutions, at all levels, not just the schools and seminaries. Given these facts, it doesn’t require much imagination to conclude that education in Pakistan has been distorted and medievalised to such an extent and so extensively that it can abort the birth of modern Pakistan. If that ever happens, it won’t be because of the uneducated Pakistanis.

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