Why does the Pakistani elite(PDF included) lack empathy for fellow Pakistanis?

[PakSword]

I think Iran again needs recruits for some proxy war... May be Yemen this time..the only way Hazara people can avoid these attacks is not to participate in any Irani expeditions.

O yara please... Hazara ghareeb masoom log Hain..

 

[fitpOsitive]

O yara please... Hazara ghareeb masoom log Hain..

I agree with that. They are being used. That was point.

 

[Vortex]

Isn’t the real problem that we lost/forgot humanity? Insaniaat?

 

[SQ8]

Point being, while the Quetta incident is no less terrible; it wasn’t given the attention like the Christchurch incident worldwide for the reasons outlined in the video.

The media gives that perception, and then society absorbes it.
The elite of Pakistan is disconnected; Musharraf kept dancing in front of many I know while Balochistan endured terrible floods and Thar parched and famished while Faryal Talpur purchased more cars.

Even less elite, there was no saddened vigil held for these people because at the end of the day Pakistanis rarely value each other in general unless its someone “validated” by being abroad, with recognition or perhaps just rich.

There are too many of us is one reason but also that due to the turmoil in both ethnic and sectarian hatred of each other in the past 65 years; we are generally suspicious of each other’s motive or intentions unless we know that person.

We always suspect the beggar in the street to be working for a mafia or someone doing well in business to be earning illegally.

So frankly, one hazara whom urban Pakistanis in the major cities wouldn’t know doesn’t seem connected to them.

Its a sad phenomenon, but Pakistan is not unique to this and it’s a reality of todays polarized and selfish world.
No Volunteers from Barielly are going to fight in Peshawar because they heard of the abuse and rape of pashtoon women by Ranjit Singh’s army..

Its their problem is Pakistani mindset, it’s on the road, on the internet and in families now too.

 

[Sheraz Patriot]

Frequency, location and media coverage are important factors. We know it's Baluchistan so, if it happened in Islamabad it would have been projected differently. e.g; remember 911 Trade center, you don't see planes bombarding a tower every day. New Zealand being number one at peace ratings, you don't see shooting like that everyday. In US, in the hoods blacks kill each other every day, they don't even make the news.

Means that if killings of fellow Pakistanis are frequent then it is normal? Like killings in tribal areas Baluchistan does not matter?

We need to be very careful and we are not. These attacks can set a very dangerous precedent. We haven’t learnt from PTM.

Many attacks against Hazara and other communities are orchestrated. We know who fully benefits from sowing bloodshed among various ethnic groups in Pakistan. They have ganged up across the border. These are the same forces that have been handing out ultimatums on the existence of Pakistan.

It is easier said than done, but our security forces need to up their game. Unfortunately, one cannot prevent every cowardly attack, but we have little choice to bow in face of terror. This malicious gang doesn’t want to see a prosperous and unified Pakistan. They will continue to harm us in various ways. It is up to us to protect our people and nation from harm.

Please with due respect, what do you think about the demands of PTM? Are these legitimate?

If legitimate how, and why aren't being fulfilled? And if illegitimate how?

Means that if killings of fellow Pakistanis are frequent then it is normal? Like killings in tribal areas Baluchistan does not matter?


Please with due respect, what do you think about the demands of PTM? Are these legitimate?
If not how and why?

 

[Death Professor]

Means that if killings of fellow Pakistanis are frequent then it is normal? Like killings in tribal areas Baluchistan does not matter?

Wouldn't really say that, it made the news didn't it? So it's not normal. The only difference is that the news didn't became as big as if it could have became if it happened in a main city. The reason is, it's about location, frequency, politics, law and order etc. Now if it happened it in Islamabad then media coverage would have been different, not because we somehow hate baluch's and love Islamabadi's but because law and order are different in the areas, concentration of people are different in the areas, people investments are different in the area. Baluchistan is 40% of Pakistans land area and it has 6-7% of Pakistans total population, terrorists can have a field day there, they can just hit and run, and no or organisation can counter that. If Pakistans Army/security forces does something, then the issue of missing person starts rising, if they start some operation then politicians start about extra-judicial killings, if they don't do that and go through military courts, then that requires also extension and government approval. The normal courts are incompetent and corrupt to the core.

 

[Yaseen1]

but liberals also not mourn on this attack and all fast foods,music concerts and cinemas were full of people so it has nothing to do with mullahs

Our Mullah/molvis don't mourns on the death of other section. Hate & ambiguity is so wide .But I must agree Extremism is not at same level as it was in 2008. It is decreasing . We have hope from new generation . We will win this war. Nation rejected mullah in 2018 election. It shows trend is changing slowly.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

This Chacha 15yo kid is the biggest retard I've seen in my life. You can just get that idea the way he talks.

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Answer is simple.

Our awam is hypocrite and tends to move towards burgerism. Just because these fellas who died aren't really up to the level of their sophistication, no one cares.

If they protest or condemn the Quetta killings the way they did for NZ, they aren't gonna get the same coverage of being so k3wl and WOW! Angraiz isn't going to recognize them for that. That's what we care for.

He sectarian azz hole keep your crying to your self shit azz , go lick mulla balls in Persia..
@The Eagle , @Horus , @waz
This azz hole shia sectarian filth attacked me personally , you guys have to control his mouth.....
And on killing out of 20 , 8 were Hazar , what about other 12 ???????? @PurpleButcher

Hazara community has suffered a lot and I stand by them. In fact, I would suggest the sunni brothers should take up the responsibility of securing Hazara brothers .. Our society needs to show extra love & care towards each other.

FACT CHECK: Among 20 killed in the attack, 8 are from Hazara community while 12 are from other communities / sects

Bro keep one thing in mind , there is no Shia , Sunni thing in Pakistan Overall , Yes we have problems (mainly after 80s) but those problems are down now , Shia , Sunni sectarian killing is way down now then 90s(black decade in this regard) …..
This is only propaganda , iran 5th gen war on Pakistan … That attack was terrorist attack in which 20 Pakistanis lost their life .. but just look at Persians stooges changing it to attack on Hazara …. and they are only talking about 8 dead belongs to them.... what about other 12 ??? Were they not Pakistani ?? or they are not Muslims according to Hazra or Persian stooges?????

 

[Abdussamad]

Pakistanis actually hate other Pakistanis. In this country perfect strangers hold malice towards each other. I don't know the reason for it but it's a part of the culture. Besides as you well know in the modern world a person's worth is determined by the wealth he has. Poor people dying don't get much attention either in Pakistan or outside Pakistan.

 

[maximuswarrior]

This is exactly the mentality due to which Pakistan is unable to stop attacks against the Hazaras.

The criminals are openly the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi fanatics, assisted by Tehrik-e-Taliban, who are Pakistan's own product, mostly coming from own Madaris.

If you go to Northern areas and explore, then there are places where every next mosque has flag of Sipah-e-Sahaba (Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat). I went to offer prayers in those mosques there when I visited Pakistan's northern areas and saw hundreds of children reading Quran and getting religious education there. There is no hope for these children any more, while they will turn into hatred sectarian monsters.

But these people will never blame religious fanatics, but will try their best to shift the blame from the religious fanatics towards Afghanistan and US. This is the reason we don't have any comprehensive operation against the religious sectarian fanatics of Sipah e Sahaba.

The problem is YOU stupid Indian.

The US/NATO brought their ISIS brigade and Cold War Jihadi elements next door to Pakistan. This has affected Pakistan in a big way. That is a well known fact. Pakistan never had any fanatical problems until the US came in with their Jihadi assets to fight the Cold War against Russia.

This latest attack against Hazara has been carried out by ISIS. ISIS has claimed the attack. Our region never had anything to do with ISIS. ISIS was created and imported by the US into this region with the sole purpose to promote hate and killing. All intelligence agencies of this region agree that the US is responsible for importing terror into Afghanistan. Russian, Chinese, Iranian and Pakistani intelligence agencies have found ample proof that the US wants to ignite an ethnic and religious war to destabilize the region. The US wants to contain China and is willing to go to any extent to achieve this goal.

No one is buying your BS anymore. The people of Pakistan are done with US/NATO wars. All you can do is play your little shitty blame games.

LOL First get your facts corrected stupid Indian. It is not called Northern Areas, but Gilgit Baltistan. If you really are who you claim to be you would never make this mistake. Secondly, you did not visit the area of Gilgit Baltistan because Indians are not allowed to visit that part of Pakistan.

Now you are all alone in this fight with your daddy America. The people of Pakistan have already shown a massive middle finger to the US during the elections by electing Imran Khan. The people of Pakistan don’t want to participate in American wars. All the US can do now is beg for Taliban talks after being defeated in the last 18 years.

It is better for Indians to realize the truth. You have lost on all fronts.

Pakistanis actually hate other Pakistanis. In this country perfect strangers hold malice towards each other. I don't know the reason for it but it's a part of the culture. Besides as you well know in the modern world a person's worth is determined by the wealth he has. Poor people dying don't get much attention either in Pakistan or outside Pakistan.

Isn’t Nawaz Sharif equally responsible? We are all responsible. That includes you and me.

but liberals also not mourn on this attack and all fast foods,music concerts and cinemas were full of people so it has nothing to do with mullahs

This hasn’t got much to do with Mullah or liberal.

This has to do with disunity and pure selfishness. We are on all levels very selfish people. Not all, but many people are. We have never acted like one unit since independence. We never had a leader that could instill unity and patriotism among the populace. For the first time we have a leader like Imran Khan who finally talks about Pakistaniat. Did Zardari, Nawaz Sharif or any other leader before them ever talk about Pakistan first? These leaders were a bastard breed that were racist and only cared about their interests. What does jaag Punjabi jaag or other regional BS slogans mean? Think about it.

 

[Abdussamad]

Isn’t Nawaz Sharif equally responsible? We are all responsible. That includes you and me.

Not me because I don't participate in Pakistani society. Also I said nothing about NS so I think you may have quoted the wrong person.

 

[maximuswarrior]

It were not liberals who were hiding among the local citizens, but it were the Tehrik-e-Taliban who were using the local population as human shields, while the big majority of Mullahs uttered no word against Tehrik-e-Taliban and never asked them to leave the local population and go to the mountains and fight the US.
95% the harami Mullah was supporting Tehrik-e-Taliban in one way or another.

While in case of Hazara, again many of Mullahs are Harami and they are themselves the supporters of Lashkar-e-Jahngvi. Some times these harami mullahs support them openly, and some times quietly. Maulana Masood Azhar Harami and Hafiz Saeed Harami both on record supported Sipah e Sahaba.

Stop lying now. These attacks were claimed by ISIS.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/isis-says-it-was-behind-pakistan-market-suicide-bombing-2022659

This is a source from your own country.

It were not liberals who were hiding among the local citizens, but it were the Tehrik-e-Taliban who were using the local population as human shields, while the big majority of Mullahs uttered no word against Tehrik-e-Taliban and never asked them to leave the local population and go to the mountains and fight the US.
95% the harami Mullah was supporting Tehrik-e-Taliban in one way or another.

While in case of Hazara, again many of Mullahs are Harami and they are themselves the supporters of Lashkar-e-Jahngvi. Some times these harami mullahs support them openly, and some times quietly. Maulana Masood Azhar Harami and Hafiz Saeed Harami both on record supported Sipah e Sahaba.



You already lost the whole discussion when you blame others for being Indian. You have to do it while you have no answers for the Pakistanis who ask you the direct questions of why you are shifting the blame from the fanatics within Pakistan to Afghanistan and US who have no influence upon Sipah Sahaba and other religious fanatics?

It was Pak Army who had to start an operation and kill thousands of these fanatics which were the product of Pakistan's own madaris.

And exactly same operation is again needed in Quetta too in order to kill all these fanatics in Quetta too so that peace should come there.

But these are people like you which are neglecting the presence of evil fanatics in Quetta, and want no FATA type operation in Quetta in order to kill these fanatics.

You can scream and shout all you like.

No one is doing your bidding anymore.

Pakistan has had enough of US imported wars.

We will fight American presence in Afghanistan with the help of our regional allies. The US started its radical Jihad against Soviet Union and we made the mistake by supporting them. Not anymore.

 

[Dubious]

Yesterday 20 people were killed in Quetta. The target of the attack was the Hazara community and those killed included Hazara, Pushtuns and Baloch.

Unlike after the Christchurch attack which happened in far away New Zealand and evoked a strong response from the Pakistani public, we don't see that happening when it comes to this attack, neither in the mainstream media nor on social media.

This isn't the first time too....In 2017, a blast ripped through 70 people in Sehwan Sharif. We had the usual condolences and one week into the attack.....naddaaaa.

No individual stories on the victims, about their families....nothing.

The sight of dead poor Pakistanis doesn't invoke the same empathy. The visuals of their poor relatives in torn clothes, in their dark skin and their broken Urdu, wailing after their dead ones is only tolerated for a day or two.

It is more to do with our own shitty media that can't give two hoots of air time for our people...they prefer wasting time kissing politicians *** like how NS roaming jail, checking jail kitchen...Mariyam Nawaz talking to other criminals in jail....how NS visiting this hospital or that hospital with this disease or that disease....

How bilawal screaming useless speeches and thinking he scored an apple...

How courts making a monkey of the nation overturning every political criminals plea....people dying is not even noticed until and unless you are a lawyer, politician or journalist....basically anyone who can cry loud enough and still get shitty ratings for a channel....

 

[maximuswarrior]

It is more to do with our own shitty media that can't give two hoots of air time for our people...they prefer wasting time kissing politicians *** like how NS roaming jail, checking jail kitchen...Mariyam Nawaz talking to other criminals in jail....how NS visiting this hospital or that hospital with this disease or that disease....

How bilawal screaming useless speeches and thinking he scored an apple...

How courts making a monkey of the nation overturning every political criminals plea....people dying is not even noticed until and unless you are a lawyer, politician or journalist....basically anyone who can cry loud enough and still get shitty ratings for a channel....

Look at the priority of the Pakistani media. This is a monster that needs to controlled.

How can one be so stupid like you?
Attacks on Hazara are happening for decades now, when ISIS was not even present. Who was doing the killings then?
And present some credible source of the news and come out of your syndrome of making others Indians you fool.

Here are the links to more credible sources:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47921535
Both the Pakistani Taliban and the Sunni militant group Islamic State (IS) said they had ...

https://www.dawn.com/news/1476049/h...-team-set-up-to-investigate-hazarganji-attack
At least 19 people, including eight members of the Hazara community, were killed and 48 others were wounded in a suicide blast on Friday whose responsibility was claimed by the Qari Husain faction of the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan as well as the militant Islamic State group.

All these ISIS didn't appear from heavens, but all of them were part of Tehrik-e-Taliban and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi who have been present in Pakistani Madaris for many decades and producing such Zombies.

You can try to give it any shape or form. You have lost the narrative battle.

You are a dinosaur. Your narrative is outdated and it never worked for Pakistan. Because of your slave attitude Pakistan bled and suffered. External powers exploited Pakistan for decades and you enriched yourself in the process.

Like I said, not anymore. The people of Pakistan gave the world a message when they elected Imran Khan. The message is that Pakistan won’t bow anymore before world powers. We will put Pakistan first. Pakistan won’t be a gun for hire.

 

[Winchester]

they are not Muslims according to Hazra or Persian stooges?????

I know what a Persian stooge is.

I know what an American stooge is.

I know what a Saudi stooge is.

Care to elaborate what a Hazara stooge is?

I can understand if you think Persians are the enemy but bracketing your own countrymen in the same category?

It is more to do with our own shitty media that can't give two hoots of air time for our people...they prefer wasting time kissing politicians *** like how NS roaming jail, checking jail kitchen...Mariyam Nawaz talking to other criminals in jail....how NS visiting this hospital or that hospital with this disease or that disease....

How bilawal screaming useless speeches and thinking he scored an apple...

How courts making a monkey of the nation overturning every political criminals plea....people dying is not even noticed until and unless you are a lawyer, politician or journalist....basically anyone who can cry loud enough and still get shitty ratings for a channel....

Media in Pakistan doesn't have the same power to shape public opinion, like it used to have 8-9 years ago. I think the problem runs a bit deeper than that. Of course that is if you see this as a problem.

I think Iran again needs recruits for some proxy war... May be Yemen this time..the only way Hazara people can avoid these attacks is not to participate in any Irani expeditions.

That sounds like a threat.