Why Bangladesh Freedom Is God's Gift To Pakistan

[PakSword]

Your Idea about Bangladeshi Muslim is wrong . most of the people follow or love Islam . some maybe try to secular which looks to you following India but reality is more people are incline to Islam then the people to ward atheism . in fact Hijab wearing woman have increase more then the pre independent Bangladesh when we were part of Pakistan . many university going girl clad them self with burkha/ Hijab and university going boys following sunneti dress and beard is very common .

Bangladeshis are very good Muslims, no doubt, but why I have not met a Single Bangladeshi in UAE and KSA, who likes Hasina?

By the way, the way some of you behave on this forum doesn't go down very well with us Pakistanis..

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

So you meaning to say you dont believe Allah has potential and the means to bring good out of anythig that seems to be evil in our worldy eyes.

When Allah has revealed in Surah taubah what the beliefs of muslims should be:
"Say, "Never will we be struck except by what Allah has decreed for us; He is our protector." And upon Allah let the believers rely" (9:51)

And in further in same surah:
"Do you await for us except one of the two best things while we await for you that Allah will afflict you with punishment from Himself or at our hands? So wait; indeed we, along with you, are waiting."

The arabic word for "one of the two best things" in above verse is husnayain. Which refers to shahadat and nusrat i.e becoming ghazi. Both are best for a momin.

Also Allah has said in Surah Ash-Sharh
"For indeed, with hardship [will be] ease" (94:5)"
"Indeed, with hardship [will be] ease"(94:6)

Is Allah not able to bring ease out of every hardship???

Dear thekedaar of tomfoolery???

OK, thanks for pointing out.. let me correct myself, breakup of a nation didn't bring any good to both the parts..

There were Muslims living there, and Muslims living here.. They went under the control of Indians, we were humiliated.. there is nothing good that came out of partition of Pakistan..

And any breakup in Muslims will not bring any good to any Muslim.. if you think that 1971 was something good happened, no it was not..

The only thing we can do is to stop dividing our nation further, between Punjabis, Sindhis, Pakhtoons, Saraikis, Urdu Speakers, Balochs, Hazaras etc etc etc..

 

[UKBengali]

I agree that Bangladesh's freedom is blessing in disguise for Pakistan, but not for the reasons you are stating.

You see, Bangladesh shouldn't have separated from India in the first, but it didn't happen.
Later on they shouldn't have separated from Pakistan, but it also didn't happen.
They should have joined India after separation from Pakistan, but it also didn't happen.
Now, they are on their own.
Is it a good thing for them in long run? I don't think so.
Its a tiny little country with 170 million people and 700 rivers.
Land is hard to find, ever growing population and danger of sinking into sea in near future.

Their best course of action is either to join India or go for greater Bengal, neither of which would be liked by India.

Next best solution, keep on immigrating to other countries whether legally or illegally. And this is what they are doing.
20 million illegal Bangladeshis in India and 3.2 million in Pakistan.
They will keep on doing that till we make them stop.

Where did you get this figure of 20 million illegal BD'shis in India?

 

[PakSword]

So you meaning to say you dont believe Allah has potential and the means to bring good out of anythig that seems to be evil in our worldy eyes.

I am not saying this.. What I am saying that:

"Wa`tasimu bihablillahi jamee`an wala tafarraqoo" "and hold fast to the rope of Allah and do not be divided." (Qur'an 3:103)

How can you expect good coming out of something that was breaching another clear Quranic command?

When Allah has revealed in Surah taubah what the beliefs of muslims should be:
"Say, "Never will we be struck except by what Allah has decreed for us; He is our protector." And upon Allah let the believers rely" (9:51)

And in further in same surah:
"Do you await for us except one of the two best things while we await for you that Allah will afflict you with punishment from Himself or at our hands? So wait; indeed we, along with you, are waiting."

The arabic word for "one of the two best things" in above verse is husnayain. Which refers to shahadat and nusrat i.e becoming ghazi. Both are best for a momin.

Also Allah has said in Surah Ash-Sharh
"For indeed, with hardship [will be] ease" (94:5)"
"Indeed, with hardship [will be] ease"(94:6)

Is Allah not able to bring ease out of every hardship???

No relevance until we collectively do Tauba and stop dividing us in further groups.. jo hogaya uss ki muafi mangain aur wada karain Allah se ke aagay aisa nahi karaingay..

Dear thekedaar of tomfoolery???

Dear thekedaar of tomfoolery???

And I called you Islam ke thekedar because you have extreme hate in your heart against your fellow Muslims/ Pakistanis.. yet you quote Quran selectively (which is still good) and do not act on some Ayahs that do not suit you. I expect more from a guy like you who tries to read and understand Qur'an..

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

My post was in reply to your following post.
"OK, thanks for pointing out.. let me correct myself, breakup of a nation didn't bring any good to both the parts..

There were Muslims living there, and Muslims living here.. They went under the control of Indians, we were humiliated.. there is nothing good that came out of partition of Pakistan..

And any breakup in Muslims will not bring any good to any Muslim.. if you think that 1971 was something good happened, no it was not.."

And here is my post:
So you meaning to say you dont believe Allah has potential and the means to bring good out of anythig that seems to be evil in our worldy eyes.

When Allah has revealed in Surah taubah what the beliefs of muslims should be:
"Say, "Never will we be struck except by what Allah has decreed for us; He is our protector." And upon Allah let the believers rely" (9:51)

And in further in same surah:
"Do you await for us except one of the two best things while we await for you that Allah will afflict you with punishment from Himself or at our hands? So wait; indeed we, along with you, are waiting."

The arabic word for "one of the two best things" in above verse is husnayain. Which refers to shahadat and nusrat i.e becoming ghazi. Both are best for a momin.

Also Allah has said in Surah Ash-Sharh
"For indeed, with hardship [will be] ease" (94:5)"
"Indeed, with hardship [will be] ease"(94:6)

Is Allah not able to bring ease out of every hardship???

Dear thekedaar of tomfoolery???
Issi liye point p ao. Do not deflect.

I am not saying this.. What I am saying that:

"Wa`tasimu bihablillahi jamee`an wala tafarraqoo" "and hold fast to the rope of Allah and do not be divided." (Qur'an 3:103)

How can you expect good coming out of something that was breaching another clear Quranic command?

As regards the post you have made about verses from surah Al I Imran. Yes we the Lahoris and Punjabis were doing exactly that.

But the hew and cry of khota khor and before that Punjabi Army were raised by your genus in Karachi.

Lahoris are famously tolerant but that does not mean you should exceed your limits.
Allah does not like the ones who exceed their limits as well...

As for the sly remark in end. Its bcuz u called me thekedaar of Islam.

NOW I ADVISE YOU TO STAY ON POINT ABOUT BANGLADESH.
AND DO NOT BRING THE AGENDA OF YOURSELF AND YOUR CLANDESTINE GROUP INTO THIS THREAD AND DERAIL IT FURTHER.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Even Prophet Muhammad pbuh has faced a Defeat , but that does not mean he was wrong or Allah didn't make him a Victor , One or two Defeat is nothing for a Muslim , we see the bigger Picture and whatever happens Allah has its plan , we as his creation has to Submit our wills to the Will of Allah SWT .

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Do not deflect.
You called me islam k thekedaar. Bcuz of the poison stimmying in your heart.

THE THREAD WAS NEVER ABOUT HATING ANYONE. BUT TO MARVEL ON THE AYAT OF ALLAH. AND TO PONDER HOW AN APPARENT LOSS FOR PAKISTAN COULD POTENTIALLY BE GOOD FOR US.

I am not saying this.. What I am saying that:

"Wa`tasimu bihablillahi jamee`an wala tafarraqoo" "and hold fast to the rope of Allah and do not be divided." (Qur'an 3:103)

How can you expect good coming out of something that was breaching another clear Quranic command?



No relevance until we collectively do Tauba and stop dividing us in further groups.. jo hogaya uss ki muafi mangain aur wada karain Allah se ke aagay aisa nahi karaingay..






And I called you Islam ke thekedar because you have extreme hate in your heart against your fellow Muslims/ Pakistanis.. yet you quote Quran selectively (which is still good) and do not act on some Ayahs that do not suit you. I expect more from a guy like you who tries to read and understand Qur'an..

 

[Anotherangle]

You now realize it's good for west Pakistan. Bhutto realized it much earlier, but we called him names. If he wasn't there, this blessing would have come with even more pain.

Why he didn't try for ceasefire

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Indeed bro girte hain shehsawar medaan e jang me sanbhalne k liye.

After defeat at Uhud muslims and our glorious leader Muhammad alai salam picked ourselves up and came even harder and rest is history.

Even Prophet Muhammad pbuh has faced a Defeat , but that does not mean he was wrong or Allah didn't make him a Victor , One or two Defeat is nothing for a Muslim , we see the bigger Picture and whatever happens Allah has its plan , we as his creation has to Submit our wills to the Will of Allah SWT .

 

[PakSword]

As regards the post you have made about verses from surah Al I Imran. Yes we the Lahoris and Punjabis were doing exactly that.

But the hew and cry of khota khor and before that Punjabi Army were raised by your genus in Karachi.

Lahoris are famously tolerant but that does not mean you should exceed your limits.
Allah does not like the ones who exceed their limits as well...

As for the sly remark in end. Its bcuz u called me thekedaar of Islam.

NOW I ADVISE YOU TO STAY ON POINT ABOUT BANGLADESH.
AND DO NOT BRING THE AGENDA OF YOURSELF AND YOUR CLANDESTINE GROUP INTO THIS THREAD AND DERAIL IT FURTHER.

Read the verse of Quran again I have quoted.. and then understand what I was saying... that breakup of a Muslim nation can't bring good because it breaches one command of Allah swt.. this was about creation of Bangladesh..

Now read your reply and see where you fit... You are an extremely arrogant individual who wants to selectively use Ayahs out of context.. any ayahs you have posted has no relevance to the creation of Bangladesh, and proof is that both parts are still lagging behind others in the region..

And I have never said that Allah can't do anything.. Allah swt has the authority and power to do anything, provided, we do tauba.. and while reading this, go back to your comment once again and check your tone..

Better you don't become Islam ke thekedaar, a serious advice.. because there's no difference between you and Maulana Fazlur Rahman..

Sorry man, can't argue more with an arrogant and racist person, who blames others all the time.... sometime fellow Pakistanis and other times about the country where he is living right now..

Lets not engage in further debates... don't quote me from now on..

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

^^^^^^^^^^@PakSword

This man has nothing but his bias to bring to this discussion. He constantly changes his stance.

When he fails to bring to bring sound reasoning resorts to hurling insults.

I advise him and his group to create a seperate thread for their agendas.

Anywhoooo back to Bangladesh. Another potential benefit is we wouldn't have that many floods in Pakistan we still do but not to the extent Bangladesh has seen in past.

Another benefot like @Imran Khan and others pointed out. We wouldn't have a country that is dissected by India in the middle.

East and West Pakistan are testament to the cunning of the British. How they designed Palestine i.e West Bank and Ramallah dissected by Israel in middle. And designed Palestine to fail.

They did same with us.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

just look at this months events . if it was east pakistan how can we defend that place ? only a small land with 3 sides india and even sea under indian control .it is as hard today it was that hard in 1971 . india may have free hand to play with east pakistan after pulwama or uri or even mumbai attack every time we have a painful situation how to defend east paksitan . air space is closed since last 10 days and no one is worry for any thing . how we send supply without airspace this months ? its grace of god today is one united powerful Pakistan .

Now imagine an economy twice our size.
An army twice the size.
And nukes and bases pointed towards indian on 2 sides.

If anything Pakistan would have india by her throat (chickens neck, north eastern states of india).

 

[HAIDER]

from economic point of view it was blessing. Islam is not the issue.

 

[Mutakalim]

There is a history to this bro..

I had no issues with him and we discussed different topics with other members on our private profiles sometime back..

One day he just started cursing all the Karachiites and because he met a few like him in the US.. He even wished death on all Karachiites.. From that point onward, I stopped interacting with him.

But today, he again quoted me that my liking for Lahore Qalandars is some form of sarcasm, so I wanted to teach him some lesson in a polite way.. that's it..

Now I got it. I have deleted my post.

 

[Hamza913]

I used to think about this alot. Why would God decree it that Pakistan would be divided. But then recently I was listening to Tafseer ul Quran by Dr. Israr Ahmed and he was explaining about how things are decreed to happen in the unseen and how in our world(in the here and now) we might not immediately recognise the reasons for such decrees to be carried out. But everything that Allah does has khair(good) in it.

For example when I reached the tafseer of Surah Kahf. He(Dr. Israr) was translating/explaining the part where Musa alai salam goes to meet Al-khidr(lets leave the debate whether he was a prophet, an angel or aowliya Allah) and Al-Khidr sabotages a boat so a tyrant king cannot confiscate it, KILLS A BOY AS HIS PARENTS WERE RIGHTEOUS AND HE IN FUTURE WAS GOING TO BRING HARM UPON THEM and finally he repairs a wall for two orphans whose father was righteous and had hidden a treasure for them. So here's the whole story.

But the part that interested my most was Al khidr's first and second actions. As Allah azza wa jal also says in Quran rough meaning of those verses is that "
Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not. (2:216)"

So now recently I have seen with my own eyes how hard Bangladesh tries to mimic India in being a "secular" falsely enlightened society just like Pakistani psuedo libturd intellectuals. And try sooooo hard in pleasing India and have so many traits of Indian hindus.

It makes me think whatever Allah decreed, maybe even if it was punishment for sin Pakistani nation committed. It still had good in it. It saved us from a people who would turn out to be child that brings harm upon it's righteous parents like in the ayat of Surah kahf I mentioned above.


And if a Bangladeshi reads this. Do not get me wrong. I have met several righyeous Bangladeshi muslims too. But generally Bangladeshi society seems to be becoming more atheist and more hindu. And going away from Islam.

There are probably more Atheists in Pakistan than Bangladesh, so chill out.