Who'll Buy This Fulcrum Now?

[Mech]

i am surprised to see people downgrading the capability of this fighter....
let russian decide to sell it to pakistan , will sand shivers into IAF spine ..

You need money to buy.

 

[Mech]

PAF should accept their this offer

What "offer" are you talking about? Russians have never dealt with Pakistanis at such a broad scale. Not to mention, some of your own people still gloat over the soviet collapse and consider it sponsored chiefly by Pakistan.

 

[casual]

if india picks EF, Rafael would be in trouble too.

 

[Ignited Mind]

You need money to buy.

They can increase their def. budget to 10-11% of their GDP. That'll give them the money.

 

[luckyyy]

Q)Who'll Buy This Fulcrum Now?

A)pakistan..

 

[razgriz19]

why are all dragging pakistan into this??
i know there are couple of fan boys who just want to get every plane they see but doesn't mean or change anything!

PAF is concentrating on JFT, F-16 and J-10B. thats the truth accept it or not!
so no more PAF talk in this thread...

 

[luckyyy]

need money to buy.

don't you think russia can offer it at friendship price to pakistan to get into new market..
anyway mig-35 is only little more to j-10 in price , don't you think pakistan can manage to pay that little more amount to russians to get a new war partner...

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

don't you think russia can offer it at friendship price to pakistan to get into new market..
anyway mig-35 is only little more to j-10 in price , don't you think pakistan can manage to pay that little more amount to russians to get a new war partner...

Dont think so , because then China would lose a valuable portion of the market , they have plans to sell the J20 too so they would resist Pakistan going for Russian stuff - and they have a lot of leverage considering Pakistan is their all weather ally.Also they will be concerned about Russian support and spare supply during conflict times , add to that the logistical nightmare of Inducting aircrafts from three industries - U.S , China and now Russia . Their policy has been to progressively reduce aircraft platforms to 2 or 3 major ones ( JF 17 , J -10 B and F 16 )...

On the other hand , India's deals with Russia is not confined to a single aircraft deal. They include an air craft carrier, the FGFA , Brahmos 2 , Lease of a nuke sub ...the number of defence contracts is staggering . Both sides would never lose such a lucrative buyer-seller relationship on account of one sour deal...

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

That is not exactly true.

the airframes would be new, longer life and new construction standards.
higher servicability and lower maintainance.

in broader terms however I think you are right in that is what IAF thought.

they probably said to themselves "we already have this plane" let's invest in something ... different.

Yes , of course ...higher shelf life , better maintainance and service support. But those points have traditionally been the Russian industries weak points . Compared to that any of the other contenders would be a better choice insofar as those parameters are concerned. But the Critical components - that would really give us an edge over our adverseries are EW , Avionics package , weapons , capability for upgrades etc. In these areas Mig scores are definitely lower than say EF or Rafale ..Of course the best being Super Hornet but its out of the Race .

 

[luckyyy]

Dont think so , because then China would lose a valuable portion of the market , they have plans to sell the J20 too so they would resist Pakistan going for Russian stuff - and they have a lot of leverage considering Pakistan is their all weather ally.Also they will be concerned about Russian support and spare supply during conflict times , add to that the logistical nightmare of Inducting aircrafts from three industries - U.S , China and now Russia . Their policy has been to progressively reduce aircraft platforms to 2 or 3 major ones ( JF 17 , J -10 B and F 16 )...

On the other hand , India's deals with Russia is not confined to a single aircraft deal. They include an air craft carrier, the FGFA , Brahmos 2 , Lease of a nuke sub ...the number of defence contracts is staggering . Both sides would never lose such a lucrative buyer-seller relationship on account of one sour deal...

inplace of saying let russian sell mig-35 to anybody we can manage...you are relying on the assumption that russia will never sell it to pakistan...

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

inplace of saying let russian sell mig-35 to anybody we can manage...you are relying on the assumption that russia will never sell it to pakistan...

We can manage yeah ,Wasn't implying a lack of confidence but If that happens

Indo- Russian relationship will be affected , anyways as my point goes according to current geo-politics its highly improbable.......

 

[Tiger Awan]

Mig-35 shows us that an upgraded version can not do business in today's market. You have to bring something new and innovative.

 

[localoca]

China Maybe

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another sweet look of J20....it is soooo evill!!!

j20 have EODAS 360 degree spherical situational awareness system (F35)

China does not need Useless, out dated Russian tech...

 

[paritosh]

omfg!
^^^J-20 looks killer bro...!
probably the best looking plane there is..!