What U.S and Europe think of Iran's nuclear ambitions- My POV

[Hasbara Buster]

Let us review your points:

1) Iran's leaders might be religious minded but Israel's one's are GENOCIDAL.

2) Israel has nuclear weapons and are always threatening of bombing Iran's sites and also threatening of sending it to the stone ages. Also it isn't Iran who carried illegal air strikes into foreign soil.

3) Why would US be threatened by Iran in any way. Their longest ranged missile can't even reach Italy and they have no intention of attacking US bases first.

4) Israel and CIA funds more terrorist organizations than any other nation. No one is more willing to overthrow an unfriendly government than the US. Also, Hamas has been removed from the terrorist list by EU and I haven't seen Hezbollah commit terrorist acts, they have been fighting your government trained terrorist organizations (ISIS, Al-Nusra and FSA).

Facts don't matter to the State Department.

 

[MastanKhan]

I have to honest with you, I am a little conflicted. I don't want the proliferation of nuclear weapons in any way, shape or form. I definitely don't want anybody who believes in afterlife to have one . However, it's kinda hard to make the argument to Iran when their next door neighbor has nuclear weapons and seems to have been forgiven for testing one despite international pressure. The other thing is the difference between in treatment of Iraq and North Korea. They, along with Iran, were described as the axis of evil by GWB. However, Iraq was attacked but North Korea wasn't. So I can see how Iran might think having nukes would enhance its security.

Here's the thing, the world doesn't have a reasonable argument against any country developing nukes. You already have 8 countries (9 if you count Israel) with nukes. What logic could you use to deter other countries from developing it? When we're ok with us having nukes but not others, aren't we now making the "good nuclear state, bad nuclear state" argument?

We've opened Pandora's box by developing nukes and from now to eternity, we're going to holding our collective breaths that nobody does anything stupid.

Hi,

The difference between Iraq and north korea----! North korea is going to be a good future christian state once they get rid of the current management----.

Iraq was a thoughtless and a stupid blunder that was carried out without any consideration of the consequences by people who were equally clueless to understand why people like Saddam were in power---.

Iran wants justification by pointing out to Pakistan and isarel being nuc power---Israel does not say anything---Pakistan says we did it because of india---and what is india concerned about---it says threat of china.

The thing is that sanity can prevail amongst Pakistan and india because of common roots----but as for iran---they are extremely unpredictable people.

There are more things common amongst the Pakistanis and Indians---the nucs are there and as ling as there are sane people on both the side---sanity will prevail.

In case of iran---it is all about lunacy---there is nothing predictable about them---they don't have an enemy ready to destroy them---if Saddam was a threat---he is gone---Iran does not have much to worry about---if they want to neutralize Israel---it cannot be with weapons---it can only be thru peace---.

Peace is a deadly for Israel---only if the brainless muslims can understand that it is the threat of peace that Israel fears the most and not the war---. Israel has prepared for war since its inception---. But it has no clue what to do when there would be peace---what it will do to its best capabilities is to sabotage any peace deals and offering by any neighboring states----. Muslims have tried war against Israel for 60 plus years---why don't they try peace with Israel for 10 years----.

Even the united states saw the stupidity of its actions of sanctions against cuba after 50 years of sanction---the muslim nations must follow thru---.

I believe that there should be a peaceful movement started in the muslim countries targeting Germany---asking them give their lush green Land to the jews---and why are muslim countries paying for the atrocities committed by the germans----and now the germans are furthering in their cause of atrocities by selling the Israelis with deadly devices of death and destruction.

 

[Steve781]

Why would a country drowning in oil create a nuclear program for energy purposes?

 

[Falcon29]

You just copy pasted content from other websites. Anyone that believes you have anything to do with state department is moron. I don't how a suicide troll like you is still not banned on this forum.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Let us review your points:

1) Iran's leaders might be religious minded but Israel's one's are GENOCIDAL.

2) Israel has nuclear weapons and are always threatening of bombing Iran's sites and also threatening of sending it to the stone ages. Also it isn't Iran who carried illegal air strikes into foreign soil.

3) Why would US be threatened by Iran in any way. Their longest ranged missile can't even reach Italy and they have no intention of attacking US bases first.

4) Israel and CIA funds more terrorist organizations than any other nation. No one is more willing to overthrow an unfriendly government than the US. Also, Hamas has been removed from the terrorist list by EU and I haven't seen Hezbollah commit terrorist acts, they have been fighting your government trained terrorist organizations (ISIS, Al-Nusra and FSA).

1. Crazy mullah talk and you represent them well

2. It was Iran who said they would wipe Israel off the map. Israel with American backing has enough of a conventional force that they do not need to hit them with ANY nuclear strikes. And they ( Israel) won't do anything if tomorrow there is no Nuclear weapons building threat.

3. It is not a strike at the U.S that we are worried about for now, other than some flamboyant congressmen in our country stating so. It is the resulting proliferation and dirty bombs for now. After all they ( mullahs)do support every other terrorists group know to mankind.

4. Just same old CIA/MOSSAD and now RAW and MI6 added to the perpetual paranoia


Honestly, I can't even fathom what a Bangladeshi is doing in this conversation. Let me guess, another Jamati with grandeur of elevating his status by speaking about the ME. Do you not have enough of things you should promoting from the betterment of Bangladesh?

 

[Falcon29]

Guys this is Mozaquimbie Drill aka Iron Dome aka Palmach aka KurdistanwillRise aka LevelGaza, he is trying very hard to sound complex/and troll without people noticing he is suicide troll.

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Who cares, it's Iran. Anyways I'm against militaristic nuclear proliferation but pro civilian nuclear proliferation. Especially research on Hydrogen bombs and Pure fusion bombs, after all scientifically speaking they are just tiny Artificial Supernovas, the closest we can get to real thing in studying stellar nucleosysnthesis.

 

[Khalid Newazi]

1. Crazy mullah talk and you represent them well

2. It was Iran who said they would wipe Israel off the map. Israel with American backing has enough of a conventional force that they do not need to hit them with ANY nuclear strikes. And they ( Israel) won't do anything if tomorrow there is no Nuclear weapons building threat.

3. It is not a strike at the U.S that we are worried about for now, other than some flamboyant congressmen in our country stating so. It is the resulting proliferation and dirty bombs for now. After all they ( mullahs)do support every other terrorists group know to mankind.

4. Just same old CIA/MOSSAD and now RAW and MI6 added to the perpetual paranoia


Honestly, I can't even fathom what a Bangladeshi is doing in this conversation. Let me guess, another Jamati with grandeur of elevating his status by speaking about the ME. Do you not have enough of things you should promoting from the betterment of Bangladesh?

Right, your government is so innocent. Please explain the Iraqi WMDs, use of depleted uranium in civilian cities in Iraq, overthrowing a legitimate ruler (Gaddafi).

1. You represent genocidal Governments and yours is one of them (Iraq War)

2. Experts: Israel could send Iran back to Stone Age - Israel News, Ynetnews

3. It is well known who supported the Taliban, who trained ISIS and the FSA.
Isis apparently takes control of US weapons airdrop intended for Kurds | World news | The Guardian (Sure this was accident)
'US-trained ISIS militants used to reorganize Middle East' — RT Op-Edge
Free Syrian Army rebels defect to Islamist group Jabhat al-Nusra | World news | The Guardian
CIA-funded weapons begin to reach Syrian rebels - CNN.com

Now tell me who finances terrorism, you stupid Yankee.

4. You really expect your Government to tell you that they finance terrorists. But here are some links that might help unravel CIA's true self.

CIA admits role in 1953 Iranian coup | World news | The Guardian
CIA Admits It Was Behind Iran’s Coup | Foreign Policy

And don't forget Operation Northwoods where the US wanted to bomb its own cities to get public support for a war with Cuba.
Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Do you think? The Dutch are extremely anti-Iranian, anti-Russian, pro-Nato etc. Or maybe the voice of the right-wing is louder. Yes, Americans are some of the most ignorant, self-righteous and arrogant people on earth. Look at the thread starter and his mindset for example. As if America is innocent or even a victim when it's the biggest criminal on earth.

Even in the Netherlands, one has to differentiate the mainstream media from the general population. You can rest assure that the mainstream media in the whole NATO is heavily controlled by the NATO media office in Washington DC.

Lie. Evry single poll in europe shows that Iran is seen absolutly negative and a threat. As a german (i doubt you are one...) you should know the general idea about Iran in the public: bomb building crazy Mullahs

Every single poll are led by the same bunch of people who have been demonising Iran ever since Operation Ajax.

Not all Germans are as brainwashed as you are. From your posts, I see you more as an Italian mobster than an educated German.

The funny thing is, there is not one single proof that the "crazy mullahs" have started any terror operations, while your personal great friend that started Operation Ajax and that forced us to sanction Russia at our economic expense, toppled a democratic government, installed a dictator and helped Saddam to get access to chemical weapons that killed hundreds of thousands of people.

Who is twisting facts and who lies? I think fair-minded people in this forum already know.

How could I forget that we have the wisdom of our Chinese european to guide us into the light.

This the same gentleman who proclaimed just days ago, that the Australian Iranian who killed civilians in the cafe, was actually put up to do so by the U.S. and Australian governments.

Ladies and Gentleman of the saner minds, please stand by for more of his wisdom.

This former employee of the State Dept. gives us valuable insights of certain behaviour of old people. Although he shows strong traits of senility, his basic character has not changed a bit, that is in this case his racist character. It's his strange conviction that a certain conception of the world is somehow genetically linked to ethnicity. How else would he link my above post with me being Chinese?

Secondly, his senility has progressed so much that he sees words that have never been written.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

@Götterdämmerung Linking you as Chinese is based on your posting history and a tag you had here for the longest. Plus- I've been reading these forums for nearly a year prior to joining it.

I'm familiar with the leanings of the usual suspects. Certainly your unequivocal support of China in every instance has not been a mystery.

Take a simple experiment of your posting history while understanding your anti American views. You attack us with conspiracies and propaganda, blame us for being anti muslim and seeking world domination.

Yet at every instance defend China and even attack Germany when its interest agree with the Americans, or if it crosses that of China.

1. Have you ever spoken up about China's treatment of Muslims? No. You've actually come to its support
2. Have you spoken up about China's muscling in on other countries in SCS? No. You've actually come to its support
3. Have you spoken up about China's hacking and stealing of intellectual property? No. You've actually come to its support
4. Have you spoken up about China's Military buildup that threatens its neighbours? No. You've actually come to its support
5. Have you ever spoken about China's veto on Crimea, where parts of a country was simply annexed. Not just attacked but an annexation of portions of another sovereign country? No. You've actually come to its support
6. Have you ever spoken up on anything against China vs. an unbridled support of it. No. You've actually come to its support

It's not difficult to read into your allegiances, my man.

 

[Sugarcane]

Marg Bar Amrika

 

[Götterdämmerung]

@Götterdämmerung Linking you as Chinese is based on your posting history and a tag you had here for the longest. Plus- I've been reading these forums for nearly a year prior to joining it.

I'm familiar with the leanings of the usual suspects. Certainly your unequivocal support of China in every instance has not been a mystery.

Take a simple experiment of your posting history while understanding your anti American views. You attack us with conspiracies and propaganda, blame us for being anti muslim and seeking world domination.

Yet at every instance defend China and even attack Germany when its interest agree with the Americans, or if it crosses that of China.

1. Have you ever spoken up about China's treatment of Muslims? No. You've actually come to its support
2. Have you spoken up about China's muscling in on other countries in SCS? No. You've actually come to its support
3. Have you spoken up about China's hacking and stealing of intellectual property? No. You've actually come to its support
4. Have you spoken up about China's Military buildup that threatens its neighbours? No. You've actually come to its support
5. Have you ever spoken about China's veto on Crimea, where parts of a country was simply annexed. Not just attacked but an annexation of portions of another sovereign country? No. You've actually come to its support
6. Have you ever spoken up on anything against China vs. an unbridled support of it. No. You've actually come to its support

It's not difficult to read into your allegiances, my man.

1. I'm first of all anti-religion. The Pakistani know my stance. Most Muslim problems anywhere in the world are all directing to the US.
2. I see the US pushing its pawns, nothing else.
3. Says the right one who spies on all of us, regardless what we do or even when we don't do anything. On top of that, you do it with your facilities in my country.
4. Why not talk about your military build-up that is larger than the next ten countries? And looking at the US war records, I don't see China being in any way more threatening than the US. In fact, there are plenty of people in my country that want China+Russia to keep you guys at bay.
5. Learn more about the definition of annexation. Wiki is a good start. Secondly, learn your own history first! In this regard, start with Kosovo!
6. By the end of the day, this is none of your business. As a citizen of Germany, I still have the right to think whatever I want or does that only apply when I cheer the US, the most vile nation on the surface of the earth?

Where my allegiance lies is my business, capisci, my poor old senile racist?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

1. I'm first of all anti-religion. The Pakistani know my stance. Most Muslim problems anywhere in the world are all directing to the US.
2. I see the US pushing its pawns, nothing else.
3. Says the right one who spies on all of us, regardless what we do or even when we don't do anything. On top of that, you do it with your facilities in my country.
4. Why not talk about your military build-up that is larger than the next ten countries? And looking at the US war records, I don't see China being in any way more threatening than the US. In fact, there are plenty of people in my country that want China+Russia to keep you guys at bay.
5. Learn more about the definition of annexation. Wiki is a good start. Secondly, learn your own history first! In this regard, start with Kosovo!
6. By the end of the day, this is none of your business. As a citizen of Germany, I still have the right to think whatever I want or does that only apply when I cheer the US, the most vile nation on the surface of the earth?

Where my allegiance lies is my business, capisci, my poor old senile racist?

You know that "US_statedept_retired" is an Indian right?

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

1. I'm first of all anti-religion. The Pakistani know my stance. Most Muslim problems anywhere in the world are all directing to the US.
2. I see the US pushing its pawns, nothing else.
3. Says the right one who spies on all of us, regardless what we do or even when we don't do anything. On top of that, you do it with your facilities in my country.
4. Why not talk about your military build-up that is larger than the next ten countries? And looking at the US war records, I don't see China being in any way more threatening than the US. In fact, there are plenty of people in my country that want China+Russia to keep you guys at bay.
5. Learn more about the definition of annexation. Wiki is a good start. Secondly, learn your own history first! In this regard, start with Kosovo!
6. By the end of the day, this is none of your business. As a citizen of Germany, I still have the right to think whatever I want or does that only apply when I cheer the US, the most vile nation on the surface of the earth?

Where my allegiance lies is my business, capisci, my poor old senile racist?

Just could not bring yourself to say a word against China and show that you about the issues vs. a rabid hatred for the U.S., could you?

Interestingly enough you claim you have a right to your opinion, and thoughts. But seem to be challenging the same for me. And at the end of the day, there is but a handful in your country that thinks the world needs a China -Russia tie up. Other than some of you Chinese- Germans. Have a nice day.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Just could not bring yourself to say a word against China and show that you about the issues vs. a rabid hatred for the U.S., could you?

Interestingly enough you claim you have a right to your opinion, and thoughts. But seem to be challenging the same for me. And at the end of the day, there is but a handful in your country that thinks the world needs a China -Russia tie up. Other than some of you Chinese- Germans. Have a nice day.

Why should I say anything negative to China? China hasn't done anything negative to my and my country, in fact, we have gained much from trades and cooperations with China.

Your country OTOH financed Hitler and helped him to build a warring machinery that devastated my beautiful country. Your bloody country spies on all of us and steel our trade secret. At the same time, you shamelessly claim to be our ally and friend.


Get well soon, my senile racist American "ally". Only losers tie arguments with "ethnicity".

You know that "US_statedept_retired" is an Indian right?

The Jay guy who lost all arguments with me just like the US Viet guy and the other guy who has multiple identity crisis?