What hinders the establishment of Islamic unity?

[Nishan]

What came from it? was it a united action or independant fringe groups just heckling and screaming hoarse.



remind me again- what did KSA and Malysia do when this happened- or what did Mongolia or Indonesia do?



as above



ditto

bottom line- most of the time, it is just Pakistanis who are vocal and upfront about these issues. the rest of the so called Umah does not seem to subscribe to these views or have more pressing things to take care of.......

My dear friend, You seem to mean the official level of support, at the level of Islamic governments . . . I agree with you that this level is weak and uneven across countries.
But at the level of the Islamic peoples, no one can deny that the interaction of the Islamic nation With all Islamic issues has been very significant, and much larger than the Muslim governments
I think very briefly that Muslims are one nation, but divided into several states

 

[Nishan]

To expect unity just coz a group of ppl belong to a common religion is a little much.

Please do not misinterpret what I as I write as flame but with all due respect when have the Muslims been united that one expects them to unite today ? A community that cannot decide on when the moon has been sighted can hardly be expected to agree on other earthy issues.

A look at Mughal history shows that fathers were always apprehensive of their sons whom they sent away to distant places like Lahore, Bengal & Deccan and placed spies on them.Sons in turn has spied in their fathers courts. Similarly, brothers feared each other more than anyone else. Sons could not wait for their fathers to die to inherit the throne. Aurangzeb imprisoned his father who died gazing at the Taj Mahal.

Apply this to nations. There is an old adage “ Think Globally but act locally’. Nations & leaders are responsible for their own people first and then those of their religion who live in other nations. It is not unfair of them to feel thus.
Even while traveling in a plane the air crew cautions us that “ in event of sudden drop in cabin pressure apply the face mask upon yourself first & then to your child” because if you get incapacitated who will help the child?

Besides your parents there can be no one who shall care for you selflessly. Similarly , what you & I can feel for Pakistan & India respectively, a Sri lankan or BanglaDeshi will obviously not & should not be expected to either his priority shall always remain his own country.

Egypt cut a deal with Israel on the side , Saddam over ran Kuwait, Iran fought Iraq all because they put their own interest first. I may help my neighbors son in Math but would never do it at the cost of my own son.

Lastly, why does one expect help form another just coz we pray to same god? Do we follow all what the God tell us to do ? for if we did we would not have attacked each other.

I agree with you in most of the points , But for Muslims Unity is a religious requirement:
(((Truly! This, your Ummah [Sharia or religion (Islamic Monotheism)] is one religion, and I am your Lord, therefore worship Me (Alone). [Tafsir Ibn Kathir] )))

 

[Nishan]

lack of leadership

2. Lack of own governing system. as almost all of the Muslim countries have imported half-baked system of governance where everything is confused carrying flaws, not conforming to the local needs

Point is very important . . .indeed

 

[khanz]

I don't like this union stuff anymore previously i used to be for it now i'm against it where is it pakistan is suffered so much where is the muslim nations protesting and condemning the cross border strikes against pakistan like pakistanis always condemned attacks on palestine or invasion of iraq ? where is their uproar over dr afia ? why afghans have always hated us and never thanked us for looking after millions of their people ? where were the other muslim countries sending pilots to fight with us during any of our wars like we did with israel ? at this point i am bitter and seriously wish pakistan would just big a big F U to our muslim "brothers" and tell them to fend for themselves no more one way relationship it's time we put our own interests first .The only muslim country i would always back and support any union with is turkey who has always been a true ally .Millions of people died for pakistan no need to make their scarifices a waste to just be merged with other countries where we would be forced to join millions of people who look down on us have no more say in the running our own country.

 

[Nishan]

Islam can be used as a uniting force if the Arabs agree that Islamic unity does not give defacto free ticket to Arab imperialism and it will not elaborate arab position by any means. The biggest hindrance in Islamic unity is arab bigots..sorry for the hard words but this is reality.

so my brother you Considers that the Arabs are the real key to Islamic unity and Without the Arabs there will not be Islamic unity
But what prevents (for example) Pakistan, Turkey and Iran to set up among themselves islamic unity, These three countries geographically contiguous and there population are more than 22 Arab countries together?

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Not even a single Muslim nation is a global power.

I'm counting on Iran for being one by 2030-2050

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

simple- Islamic ummah is only a paper concet- there is no homogenity across the various countries due to different histories, backgrounds, ethnicity and then there is the question of national interests which always outweigh anything else.

I mean, ask yourselfm what do Pakistanis, Sudanese, Arabs, Indonesians, Uighurs and tajiks have in common with each other?

If only people knew their history before commenting.

The unified-government has only vanished in 1924, after ~1350 years of being!

How much do Pakistanis, Sudanese, Arabs, Indonesians, Uighurs and Tajiks have in common? VERY much.

 

[Ghostwhowalks]

If only people knew their history before commenting.

The unified-government has only vanished in 1924, after ~1350 years of being!

How much do Pakistanis, Sudanese, Arabs, Indonesians, Uighurs and Tajiks have in common? VERY much.

So you mean to say that pre-1924, Pakistanis (non-existent at that time), Sudanese, uighurs, Indonesians, tajiks (non existent at that time) and Mongols had a common foreign policy wherein they stood up for each other's causes, had seamless trade, common religious and cultural practices, common currency (since you mentioned common govt.) etc.etc.

WOW!! i need to go back and re read my history or better still, sue the Education board in Singapore for teaching us incorrect history.

Sheesh....

 

[Saleem]

state and nation are two different things.....

 

[SekrutYakhni]

What made Europe to form a union i.e. European Union? Did you forget the RELIGIOUS wars Europe has come across in the past? Germans vs French? England?

Muslim countries SHOULD FORM A BLOCK!

Middle East union anything!!!

However, I am against any religious name or religious motives--Religious motives will mean a FAR greater war--We will go back to Adam's time..

 

[Von Hölle]

This is strange question, which keeps propping up..I wonder if all Christans also wonder the same..why don't all Christan countries(majority Chrisitans) becomes one nation..it will cover 3/5 of all inhabited land mass.

Will be strongest nation the world has ever seen.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Same things that hinders human unity...

 

[Tuahaa]

so my brother you Considers that the Arabs are the real key to Islamic unity and Without the Arabs there will not be Islamic unity
But what prevents (for example) Pakistan, Turkey and Iran to set up among themselves islamic unity, These three countries geographically contiguous and there population are more than 22 Arab countries together?

Definitely so! Non-arab Muslim countries almost always look upto arab countries for guidance. Arabs have the money, too. They can twist America's arm if they like. Sadly, [no offense] they are too busy in their own affairs and aren't doing their job (particularly to Saudi Arabia, I would say). After the unity comes from the Arabs, I am sure the likes of Pakistan and Iran will be the first to join- that is, if our leaders aren't pro-american (seems to be a trend ever since the great US of A put their hand in our open mouths)

You guys have the uniting power.

 

[Tuahaa]

I don't like this union stuff anymore previously i used to be for it now i'm against it where is it pakistan is suffered so much where is the muslim nations protesting and condemning the cross border strikes against pakistan like pakistanis always condemned attacks on palestine or invasion of iraq ? where is their uproar over dr afia ? why afghans have always hated us and never thanked us for looking after millions of their people ? where were the other muslim countries sending pilots to fight with us during any of our wars like we did with israel ? at this point i am bitter and seriously wish pakistan would just big a big F U to our muslim "brothers" and tell them to fend for themselves no more one way relationship it's time we put our own interests first .The only muslim country i would always back and support any union with is turkey who has always been a true ally .Millions of people died for pakistan no need to make their scarifices a waste to just be merged with other countries where we would be forced to join millions of people who look down on us have no more say in the running our own country.

Of course, that is why unity is not possible right now.

More powerful Muslim countries just don't 'give a damn' about Pakistan right now.

Also, borders needn't be merged, as we all have our own culture.

I am talking about Islamic unity- the one that existed during the golden age of Islam.

 

[Al-zakir]

So what is the real reasons that hinder the establishment of Islamic unity?

Who bears responsibility for that, Muslim peoples or governments of Islamic countries?

I request all brothers to contribute to the effective and frank discussion to identify the different points of view

Deviation from the message of Qur'an and teaching of Nabi Kareem(s.a.w.s) main cause our disunity. Islamic brotherhood is in coma due to self centered adoption of regional and national based idendity.

It will only revive if Muslim nations place the muslim identity first, national identity on second and language identity on third.