You should really read the New Testament.Christians can put things of him that he never said, it's true, he never said he was god, but catholic people take him as god, and that is a great blasphemy in the eyes of all other abrahamic religions.
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You should really read the New Testament.Christians can put things of him that he never said, it's true, he never said he was god, but catholic people take him as god, and that is a great blasphemy in the eyes of all other abrahamic religions.
Agreed fully. No doubt in it. Christians, especially who believe in trinity are worst abusres to God, Jesus and his mother, merry.
They attribute all those things to Jesus and his mother that they themselves never teached or never said.
You should really read the New Testament.
WHAT GOD IS NOT: God is not an impersonal essence nor merely a "higher power." Neither are God and Trinity simply singular names for what would otherwise be considered three gods (i.e. terms which would hide polytheism).The trinity is influence from Roman and Greek paganism. As are their religious hierarchy, so-called "saints" (that they pray to directly!), main religious holidays (that ironically all collide with pre-Christian Roman and Greek pagan holidays!) etc. The Bible has been written by numerous authors whose life story we know very little about. Many/if not most Christians don't even belief in their Bible or what it says, many reject the entire Old Testament which is the foundation of the New Testament.
Look at all the Jewish sources about Prophet Isa (as). They are the best contemporary sources as he was a Israelite. Aside from the sect that originated with him and their later absurd claims (trinity etc.), all Jewish scholars and rabbis rejected this doctrine. Not a coincidence.
So basically,you are talking like the Evangelicals. The fundamentalist Protestants in USA,who have no patristic tradition and here we're not talking about just patristic tradition,but you're discarding the whole Acts of the Apostles,the Epistoles and the Revelation!Jesus words are only in the 4 gospels, rest of New testament can be ignored.
I recommend read 4 gospels to everybody, it doesnt matter his beliefs.
I've read new testament and it's truly boring, like the 95% of bible.
But gospels are truly great.
WHAT GOD IS NOT: God is not an impersonal essence nor merely a "higher power." Neither are God and Trinity simply singular names for what would otherwise be considered three gods (i.e. terms which would hide polytheism).
WHAT GOD IS: Though the Trinity is a mystery beyond comprehension, two analogies are often used to help explain what Trinity means. The first references the sun, and the second references man.
The Sun: The sun is characterized by three elements. (1) The ball of burning gas is the source of all (like the Father). (2) The light is visible to all (like the Son). (3) The heat is felt, but not seen (like the Holy Spirit or Comforter).
The sun has never been the sun without its light and heat, and the light and heat cannot exist without their source. In addition, while they may co-exist, they do not produce each other in and of themselves. (ex. You can’t read by the light of a heating pad, nor can you count on getting warm wherever it is bright.)
Man: It is said that each human has been made in the image of God, and as such each human bears similarities to our Trinitarian Lord and God: (1) Man's nous (i.e. complete mind and heart; including intellect, creativity, feelings, morality, intuition, etc.) is like the Father. (2) Man's flesh (both tangible and a temple of the Holy Spirit), is akin to the Son who became incarnate and was filled with the Holy Spirit. (3) Man's life (or breath) is akin the Holy Spirit.
Man (any human) is all three. There is never a time that man has existed (or could exist) without all three. For a human nous cannot exist without a body and life, a human body does not exist--at least at the start--without a nous and life, and a human life cannot exist without a nous and body.
The benefit and limitation of analogies: Each of these analogies is good at expressing a three-ness and one-ness with no polytheism. However, according to Saint Gregory the Theologian, trying to go further to comprehend unbegotten-ness (Father), begotten-ness (Son), or procession (Holy Spirit) leads to insanity. Therefore the Church traditionally approaches God in divine mystery (and apophatically), content to encounter Him rather than comprehend Him (for it is impossible for the created to comprehend the ineffable Creator).
Eastern Orthodox Christians believe in a monotheistic conception of God (God is only one), which is both transcendent (wholly independent of, and removed from, the material universe) and immanent (involved in the material universe).[6] In discussing God's relationship to his creation, Eastern Orthodox theology distinguishes between God's eternal essence, which is totally transcendent, and his uncreated energies, which is how he reaches humanity.[6] The God who is transcendent and the God who touches mankind are one and the same.[6] That is, these energies are not something that proceed from God or that God produces, but rather they are God himself: distinct, yet inseparable from God's inner being.[7]
Eastern Orthodox Christians believe in a single God who is both three and one (triune); the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, "one in essence and undivided".[6] The Trinity, three distinct, divine persons (hypostases), without overlap or modality among them, who each have one divine essence (ousia, Greek: οὐσία)—uncreated, immaterial, and eternal.[8] The Father is eternal and not begotten and does not proceed from any, the Son is eternal and begotten of the Father, and the Holy Spirit is eternal and proceeds from the Father.[6] Eastern Orthodox doctrine regarding the Trinity is summarised in the Nicene Creed.[9] The essence of God being that which is beyond human comprehension and cannot be defined or approached by human understanding.[10]
According to whom? Prophets are saintly people too. Don't you know?God only sends Prophets, he does not need ordinary people (so-called Saints) etc. I could go on.
According to whom? Prophets are saintly people too. Don't you know?
So basically,you are talking like the Evangelicals. The fundamentalist Protestants in USA,who have no patristic tradition and here we're not talking about just patristic tradition,but you're discarding the whole Acts of the Apostles,the Epistoles and the Revelation!
.I cannot talk about Catholic Saints,only Orthodox and the ones that we have in common,but God's Grace works through them. Through such people,who have achieved a level of spiritual height and thus can perform miracles,sometimes understand one's thoughts or see events of the future. All with God's Grace. I guess,you don't have saintly people in Islam?On the other hand the Catholic and Orthodox Churches have literally 10.000's of saints (many documented as mass murderers, for instance some of the Spanish/Portuguese "Saints" that the Catholic Church made saints after conquests of Latin America, many war mongering kings have been made saints as well etc.) if not 100.000's and new "saints" are being created each year if not each month!
This is where you start becoming blasphemous and offending now. When you talk like this. And it's time to respect and back off.Well but I'm not saying that gospels are true, I cant know it, I'm saying that those books are wisdom about human ethics.
I wouldn't recommend read St Paul delusions even to my worst enemies, what a boring guy.
And Revelations is a good book to read only under the influence of hard hallucinogens drugs, the only way to understand it.
I'm talking about Jesus as philosopher, not as divine character.
He was a great philosopher, a great man, a master of human ethics. I know that, but I can't know if God exists or not.
I cannot talk about Catholic Saints,only Orthodox and the ones that we have in common,but God's Grace works through them. Through such people,who have achieved a level of spiritual height and thus can perform miracles,sometimes understand one's thoughts or see events of the future. All with God's Grace. I guess,you don't have saintly people in Islam?
This is where you start becoming blasphemous and offending now. When you talk like this. And it's time to respect and back off.
This is where you start becoming blasphemous and offending now. When you talk like this. And it's time to respect and back off.
I remember you said something like that, some previous topic...I don't believe in traditions (most of them), you can call me Quranist, Pervaizi or whatever, doesn't matter to me. There are enough contradictions when it comes to traditions vs Quran. For me there is only one Hadeeth and that is Quran, nothing outside it.
I can go into details of where these 5 times daily ritual of Namaz came from, Hajj, Wudhu etc. but that would be too much for many to handle.
Any selfless good person is Mehdi and Isa Peace be upon him is not coming back (totally illogical and a borrowed fantasy)

Can you plz give some more information?Jesus Christ is the Messiah. He has come. The Scriptures were fullfilled.
Greek Orthodox are Eastern Orthodox. We believe in the Second Coming of Jesus.Can you plz give some more information?
Greek Orthodox dont believe in the second coming of Jesus?
Does Eastern Church believe that too?
Catholics believe in Rpture.
Thanks
You should really read the New Testament.