What did leftists say when Russia pursued "strategic depth" in Afghanistan

[INDIC]

off course.

I feel separation of Pakistan was good for us, we were able to live extreme peace in isolation from Afghan frontiers while Pakistan carried on the historical burden of invaders and foreign interfere that happened to this land thoughout history.

 

[FaujHistorian]

I feel separation of Pakistan was good for us, we were able to live extreme peace in isolation from Afghan frontiers while Pakistan carried on the historical burden of invaders and foreign interfere that happened to this land thoughout history.

Well said

This is why I call Pakistan as

Great wall of India.

unfortunately so many Indians want to pull this wall down
while
Conspiring with the barbarians on the other side of the wall.

This type of strange behavior makes it hard to fathom long term prosperity of India.

 

[Metanoia]

Every country has the right to pursue their national interests and Pakistan is no exception.

However when it comes to Afghanistan we made a crucial mistake which eventually costed us and the Afghans "a lot". We backed an extremely barbaric side...an extremely backwards anti-progress and extremist/terrorist entity.

They did nothing for Afghanistan...a stable prosperous Afghanistan would have been ideal for Pakistan, imagine the trade and multiple business opportunities we could have had. But instead the country literally went into stone age...and so did we. We had an opportunity and we messed it up so bad.

But alas...it is the past and it is high time we learn from our previous mistakes. Pakistan should preserve its national interest without any doubt but it should be done properly....

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Well said.

The likes of Faiz Ahmad Faiz were card carrying communists who could see no wrong with Soviet commies.

The same class is even now happy to see Russian pursue their "strategic depth" in Afghanistan.

But heavens would fall if Pakistan even lifts a finger to protect itself from bad impacts from across the Western borders.

I blame our educated elite who possess zero amount of nationalism and Pakistaniat.

peace

That is SO IGNORANT of you. Leftists BELIEVE that if Soviets were OCCUPIERS and American/Israeli Soviet weapons/Arab/Pakistanis prepared Jihadis were the angles of lord....Than why does not the same logic applies to the US?

But now its WOT - Precisely because the $$$ floating in. You really wanna know where do the kids of the ex jernails during Musharaf era live? How do they live?

Afghanistan is the blade - Pakistan is the grip - Whoever is brave or stupid enough to try to hold the blade would most surely try to capture the grip so he can have the South Asian sword.

Darn. Right.

The grip can only be captured by feeding them $$$. Which is always successful.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Afghanistan is the blade - Pakistan is the grip - Whoever is brave or stupid enough to try to hold the blade would most surely try to capture the grip so he can have the South Asian sword. History is evident that our leftists are as ignorant if not more than the JI gang, they are as treasonist to Pakistaniat as anyone can be.

^^ One of the most stupid comments I have seen on PDF so far ... What do you mean when you say "history is evident" ??

 

[Kompromat]

^^ One of the most stupid comments I have seen on PDF so far ... What do you mean when you say "history is evident" ??

Do you know the man who destroyed Pakistan's industrial base?

 

[Sedqal]

Do you know the man who destroyed Pakistan's industrial base?

Ayub Khan who promoted Zulfi

 

[FaujHistorian]

That is SO IGNORANT of you. Leftists BELIEVE that if Soviets were OCCUPIERS and American/Israeli Soviet weapons/Arab/Pakistanis prepared Jihadis were the angles of lord....Than why does not the same logic applies to the US?

Piyaray bhai

did you read the very first post in this thread? This is called OP or Original Post.

Read it. Please bhai. Read!

 

[M. Sarmad]

Do you know the man who destroyed Pakistan's industrial base?

If you are talking about Bhutto , then you should know that today we owe our very existence to the nuclear program initiated by him .. And only some right wing lunatic can call him " someone as ignorant as JI gangs" ... Do you know that Bhutto's policy largely benefited the poor and working class and the level of absolute poverty was sharply reduced ?? .. He was a true patriot ... He made some mistakes , the reason was Not his leftist policies , but his shift away from some socialist policies ...

 

[FaujHistorian]

Ayub Khan who promoted Zulfi

Please bhai

let's not derail the thread.


Thank you

 

[Contrarian]

I have just ONE question to all the Pakistani's here.

And I ask for the religious nutjobs to NOT reply.

You have all been told that SU wanted to invade Pakistan after Afghanistan. You were all told that the reason was to access the 'warm waters' of Indian Ocean.

Though I find both questions as wrong, I carry on with them as axiomatically true.

My question thus:
Why did you not just open up all trade and trade routes for them instead?

They could have simply ordered and traded what they wanted from (say) Karachi and pay taxes to Pakistan, like all countries and corporations do in today's day and age. Essentially have full access to the warm water port of Pakistan.

In this process, neither would your country have become a refuge, nor would you have suffered the blowback, in fact you would have become a far richer and prosperous country today had you done that.

 

[Metanoia]

I have just ONE question to all the Pakistani's here.

And I ask for the religious nutjobs to NOT reply.

You have all been told that SU wanted to invade Pakistan after Afghanistan. You were all told that the reason was to access the 'warm waters' of Indian Ocean.

Though I find both questions as wrong, I carry on with them as axiomatically true.

My question thus:
Why did you not just open up all trade and trade routes for them instead?

They could have simply ordered and traded what they wanted from (say) Karachi and pay taxes to Pakistan, like all countries and corporations do in today's day and age. Essentially have full access to the warm water port of Pakistan.

In this process, neither would your country have become a refuge, nor would you have suffered the blowback, in fact you would have become a far richer and prosperous country today had you done that.

Mate the reason is that since the inception of Pakistan the establishment decided to be in the pro-US and pro-Saudi camp...which is a different discussion altogether...it will completely derail the topic unfortunately. In hindsight we should have done many things differently but alas we are here.

There could have been another better outcome as well....read my post(#18).

 

[M. Sarmad]

The saddest aspect is that our leftists would have us believe that the USSR posed no threat to Pakistan whatsoever therefore Pakistan's retaliation was unjustified.

Read the diaries of Sir Cunningham and you will come to know that it was the British who founded "Jihad inc." in KPK in early 20th century , to be used against the USSR .. USSR didn`t pose any threat to Pakistan , it posed threat only to our western masters ... And then our masters used us against the Russians ( in Afghanistan) .. One of the main reasons the British accepted (if not formulated) the demand of Pakistan was : "hanging around the soviet neck the albatross of Islam" ..... Read the correspondence b/w Viceroy and Secretary for the state of India during those times ... Ankhein khul jaein gi apki jinab

I have just ONE question to all the Pakistani's here.

And I ask for the religious nutjobs to NOT reply.

You have all been told that SU wanted to invade Pakistan after Afghanistan. You were all told that the reason was to access the 'warm waters' of Indian Ocean.

Though I find both questions as wrong, I carry on with them as axiomatically true.

My question thus:
Why did you not just open up all trade and trade routes for them instead?

They could have simply ordered and traded what they wanted from (say) Karachi and pay taxes to Pakistan, like all countries and corporations do in today's day and age. Essentially have full access to the warm water port of Pakistan.

In this process, neither would your country have become a refuge, nor would you have suffered the blowback, in fact you would have become a far richer and prosperous country today had you done that.

The British created Jihadis , they also created Pakistan ; hanging around the Soviet neck, the "albatross" of Islam !!
The "motto" was :

"Create Pakistan and save the western world!" :

State of Confusion II

 

[FaujHistorian]

I have just ONE question to all the Pakistani's here.

And I ask for the religious nutjobs to NOT reply.

You have all been told that SU wanted to invade Pakistan after Afghanistan. You were all told that the reason was to access the 'warm waters' of Indian Ocean.

Though I find both questions as wrong, I carry on with them as axiomatically true.

My question thus:
Why did you not just open up all trade and trade routes for them instead?

They could have simply ordered and traded what they wanted from (say) Karachi and pay taxes to Pakistan, like all countries and corporations do in today's day and age. Essentially have full access to the warm water port of Pakistan.

In this process, neither would your country have become a refuge, nor would you have suffered the blowback, in fact you would have become a far richer and prosperous country today had you done that.

Saner heads will always talk like this

As long as the land in question is someone else's land.

All these sane suggestions go out of the window when it is his land or his brothers.

Hope you understand.

 

[Fracker]

I have just ONE question to all the Pakistani's here.

And I ask for the religious nutjobs to NOT reply.

You have all been told that SU wanted to invade Pakistan after Afghanistan. You were all told that the reason was to access the 'warm waters' of Indian Ocean.

Though I find both questions as wrong, I carry on with them as axiomatically true.

My question thus:
Why did you not just open up all trade and trade routes for them instead?

They could have simply ordered and traded what they wanted from (say) Karachi and pay taxes to Pakistan, like all countries and corporations do in today's day and age. Essentially have full access to the warm water port of Pakistan.

In this process, neither would your country have become a refuge, nor would you have suffered the blowback, in fact you would have become a far richer and prosperous country today had you done that.

From 1972-79, SU developed Afghanistan. They wer kind of paying to Afghanistan. Also small trade was happening between Kandahar and karachi. Untill SU decided to take what he paid for. And invade whole Afghanistan. Can you explain who wont stop SU, for claiming same as Baluchistan.
Back than Pakistan lost east pakistan, and it was fresh in memory. Do you really think it was wise option to allow british india company, to work .

Last thing, it was majorly communism which was thretening Pakistan's identity.