What defines #MeToo ??

[war&peace]

Yes. A LOT.

I'm a randonneur. Completed my 200, 300 and 400 BRMs this season. About 7000+ km last years.

Failed at the 600 recently.So missed my Super Randonneur title.

Anyways, taking a small break before getting back into the saddle and training seriously for next season.

Cheers, Doc

oh great so what are you timings... I will do 400 soon with my wife ...

 

[padamchen]

oh great so what are you timings... I will do 400 soon with my wife ...

Well, this is India. The roads and the traffic and other challenges notwithstanding, I did the 200 in under 10 hours, the 300 in just under 17 hours (very hilly route with a big Category 1 climb of 16 kms), and the 400 in just under 24 hours.

I did all of these on my hybrid. Not on the CAAD.

Cheers, Doc

 

[war&peace]

Well, this is India. The roads and the traffic and other challenges notwithstanding, I did the 200 in under 10 hours, the 300 in just under 17 hours (very hilly route with a big Category 1 climb of 16 kms), and the 400 in just under 24 hours.

I did all of these on my hybrid. Not on the CAAD.

Cheers, Doc

Not bad.. In Sweden, here the city is up and down so can get really fatiguing experience.

@padamchen
What tyres do you use for 400?

 

[padamchen]

Not bad.. In Sweden, here the city is up and down so can get really fatiguing experience.

@padamchen
What tyres do you use for 400?

Ya I have a friend on another forum (from Mumbai originally) who is in Sweden too I think. Hardcore cyclist.

I used 700x35c semi slicks made for export by an Indian company called GRL (Govind Rubber Limited). Fast rolling. But not very good with punctures.

Cheers, Doc

@war&peace

The one on the right is my brevet bike. The one on the left is the Scott I failed the 600 on (700x38c Kenda's).

Cheers, Doc

 

[jamahir]

I don't know if any mullah did, but rather the islamophobe, anti-immigrants and racist people like DT spin it to suit their agenda and claim it is because of immigrants while there is no data to suggest that.

Yes, there is that.

Yes Islam teaches that.

How does Islam teach about Taliban-like segregation of genders??

And feminism is biggest bull crap of 21st century

Yes.

@war&peace

Just for the record and Doc's satisfaction (@padamchen), Jangaman bhai, which entrance did you and the lady prefer? Presumably she came thru the front door while you preferred the rear one?

Regards

Hi, why the double meaning talk??

 

[I.R.A]

@jamahir

There is a real problem of abuse and exploitation in our societies. We can keep on ignoring that (as always), and indulge in defining what is consensual and what isn't. For the real victims, it's bread and butter to survive.

For your situation ....... I would suggest carrying this aroma of arrogance and rudeness with you (doesn't mean that you should start acting ungentlemanly), specially dealing with 1.5" smart opposite gender, the mature ones quickly understand and the immature ones find it hard to accept that a man can ignore their appearance (the first dent in shaking their 1.5" smartness and false confidence). Helps a lot with defining the boundaries, filtering the unwanted attention and looking straight in the eyes while talking.

Thanks for clarifying, Jangaman bhai. So both of you used the front entrance. So far so good. But you came earlier, she later, which is not so good. In general you should let the lady come first, yourself later. Better that way.

Regards

Sorry to butt in, but based on rough idea of your age, are you still able to stand up and walk to the entrance? I thought you must be using phone, getting the work done by the oral exchanges now

 

[Gomig-21]

Alright, there has been much huffing and puffing lately about women being "sexually harassed" by men. A little of this is physical harassment but most of it seems to be non-physical one.

Now I don't know how I look but some women have flirted with me, generally wanting to entice me. Should I call this harassment ?? Of course not.

Should there be something called #HeToo ?? Or should I feel good about women flirting with me ??

Should there be something called Meninism just like how there is Feminism ??

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I'm not sure what you're asking, my friend. Are you wondering if this #metoo movement is phony, or if it's sexist? I'm thinking it's the latter because you're using the ladies' flirting with you as a counter example and wondering if there is an analogy that should create equality to the movement. The reality is that there is no comparison to ladies flirting with you and you flirting with ladies to women being legitimately harassed and abused, and it doesn't have to be physical abuse whatsoever to create permanent and destructive damage to someone, be it mentally, or professionally. Many times that mental abuse turns into physical abuse even if it's self-induced. The trauma that results from this is unimaginable unless you have had it yourself, understand it by studying it or on a professional level or have had someone close to you experience it first hand.

Granted there have been cases where there's been false accusations, but what has triggered this movement was essentially what Harvey Weinstein did to many actresses using his powerful position to take advantage of that. Then we saw the domino effect that came as a result (including Bill Cosby who was found guilty) and many men in prominent positions and almost every one of these cases was credible. Sexual abuse is a very real thing and millions of women suffer from it at the hand of these monsters.

The "#metoo" reference is to the fact that many of these victims were not only helpless and exploited, but they were never able to confront what happened to them and have held on to the extreme pain and suffering as a result until this movement came about that gave them an outlet to raise their hand. I think it's not short of life savings in almost every single case. Sexual abuse in any form is far different from flirting or anything of the like.

Most of this movement is loads of bullcrap but this movement also is endorsement of the boundaries set by Islam when it comes to relationship between a man and a women.

Disagree with the first part and definitely agree with the 2nd. however, Islam covers every ground and so it also teaches us to be respectful of others no matter what gender and to have the strength to control ourselves in a manner that pleases Him.

There is a real problem of abuse and exploitation in our societies. We can keep on ignoring that (as always), and indulge in defining what is consensual and what isn't. For the real victims, it's bread and butter to survive.

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Pakistani E]

Alright, there has been much huffing and puffing lately about women being "sexually harassed" by men. A little of this is physical harassment but most of it seems to be non-physical one.

Now I don't know how I look but some women have flirted with me, generally wanting to entice me. Should I call this harassment ?? Of course not.

Should there be something called #HeToo ?? Or should I feel good about women flirting with me ??

Should there be something called Meninism just like how there is Feminism ??

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@Zibago @django @Mentee @Nilgiri @BDforever @Bilal9 @RealNapster @padamchen @I.R.A @ranjeet @Gibbs @Hamartia Antidote @member.exe @Sher Shah Awan

In all honesty, there are a lot of problems faced by women. We need to differentiate between harmless flirting and actual stalking/sexual harrassment etc.

I too have been "harassed" in that sense, but I've not felt the need to say anything because I have not felt threatened. Maybe, the distinction is that some women feel threatened by people who take such liberties?

 

[LeGenD]

Alright, there has been much huffing and puffing lately about women being "sexually harassed" by men. A little of this is physical harassment but most of it seems to be non-physical one.

Now I don't know how I look but some women have flirted with me, generally wanting to entice me. Should I call this harassment ?? Of course not.

Should there be something called #HeToo ?? Or should I feel good about women flirting with me ??

Should there be something called Meninism just like how there is Feminism ??

Under the shadow of Feminism, societal attitude would be to perceive a man as guilty [until proven innocent] upon accusation of sexual harassment from a woman.

Unless men decide to talk and discourage this trend, it will only get worse.

There are genuine victims of sexual harassment [both women and men] but scores of women are misusing #MeToo movement for personal/political ends.

Law should be that if an accusation turn out false, then the accuser should be accorded heavy punishment and the accused should be compensated [monetary]. This should be the endgoal.

As for your interactions with women, be careful in them. It would be wise to record conversations with women in your smartphone (whom you do not know but suspect flirting from them), without alerting.

 

[KAL-EL]

This could possibly Define it

 

[Nilgiri]

Alright, there has been much huffing and puffing lately about women being "sexually harassed" by men. A little of this is physical harassment but most of it seems to be non-physical one.

Now I don't know how I look but some women have flirted with me, generally wanting to entice me. Should I call this harassment ?? Of course not.

Should there be something called #HeToo ?? Or should I feel good about women flirting with me ??

Should there be something called Meninism just like how there is Feminism ??

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@Zibago @django @Mentee @Nilgiri @BDforever @Bilal9 @RealNapster @padamchen @I.R.A @ranjeet @Gibbs @Hamartia Antidote @member.exe @Sher Shah Awan

You are finally catching on to some inherent dbl standards that certain political quarters are hell bent on using to "reset" society as some kind of blank slate for them to mould into a new clay (with them in absolute totalitarian charge)

This is actually the reason behind most dbl standards and hypocrisy you see increasing everywhere like floodwaters. The awoken few will have to make boats till it hopefully tides over.

 

[jamahir]

You are finally catching on to some inherent dbl standards that certain political quarters are hell bent on using to "reset" society as some kind of blank slate for them to mould into a new clay (with them in absolute totalitarian charge)

This is actually the reason behind most dbl standards and hypocrisy you see increasing everywhere like floodwaters. The awoken few will have to make boats till it hopefully tides over.

Wow !! That's some heavy literary writing !!

 

[Nilgiri]

Wow !! That's some heavy literary writing !!

Yeah I have explored a lot of philosophy and debate in last few years heh.

Whether you are on the left or right, it is imperative that you recognise what ALL the others are saying and what their arguments/debates are (when they can construct and present one instead of just shouting/ignoring)....and to never lose that desire to broaden your horizon.

To go into purely only ones own side echo chamber is exactly what the politician thug wants! Then you are just captive vote to him and can be herded and controlled easily.

Even though you like communism a lot, you have struck upon a vein (metoo hypocrisy) that is being pushed a lot by those that call themselves "leftists/social justice warriors" today....it shows to me you are not moulded into the groupthink narrative. Always fight to be as independent thinking as possible....and always be prepared to question and even change your positions and introspect! When a society can do this sustainably in enough of its constituents is when freedom and truth can be achieved.

@django @Gomig-21 @Desert Fox @Gibbs @VCheng

 

[VCheng]

Whether you are on the left or right, it is imperative that you recognise what ALL the others are saying and what their arguments/debates are (when they can construct and present one instead of just shouting/ignoring)....and to never lose that desire to broaden your horizon.

To go into purely only ones own side echo chamber is exactly what the politician thug wants! Then you are just captive vote to him and can be herded and controlled easily.

Said he, in an echo chamber called PDF!

(j/k)