We have options on Kashmir

[SIPRA]

Yes. But what exactly do you suppose Nawaz Shareef would've done differently from IK that the Indians wouldn't have dared done anything whilst Nawaz Shareef was PM?

It is no secret that Nawaz Sharif had foregone Kashmir issue, in favor of India, for all times to come, back in 1999. It was not for nothing that Atal Bihari Vajpayee came to Pakistan, with a lot of pomp and show. He came with the solid assurance that this issue would be properly buried, in due time. During his third tenure, also, Nawaz Sharif's policy remained the same and that is the reason of Modi's unbridled love for him.

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

If you bothered to use a brain cell, you would already know India would not dare create a situation where the former PM Nawaz Sharif would be forced to declare a war against India.

But since you are brain dead, I will spell it out for you, the answer is yes.

Thank you for clearly answering. Indeed, Nawaz Shareef has had the toughest stance on Kashmir of all the leaders of Pakistan. He was always at odds with the military because he wanted to invade but the generals were too cautious to do so.

A true champion of the Kashmiri people, of two nation theory and alu gosht and such.

Pakistan Space Agency, indeed.

 

[SIPRA]

Thank you for clearly answering. Indeed, Nawaz Shareef has had the toughest stance on Kashmir of all the leaders of Pakistan. He was always at odds with the military because he wanted to invade but the generals were too cautious to do so.

I am sure that had Nawaz Sharif been the PM of Pakistan, at this critical juncture; he would have eaten at least 2 kilo of mutton (Aaloo Gosht); directed his fat @$$hole towards Wagah border; and attacked India with at least 31 farts, of resounding bang and obnoxious odor, which surely would have resulted in the ultimate and final defeat of the India.

 

[crankthatskunk]

The only thing weak about this whole episode is an inexperienced PTI Government in power.

India did not dare annex Kashmir for 72-years, yet they managed to do so within the first year of the PTI Government coming to power with no response to date.

India did not carry out a single air strike on Pakistani territory for nearly 50- years but they managed to do so within months of the clueless PTI Government coming to power.

India carried out air strike in Khyber-Pakhtunkhawa and Pakistan's response was only in Indian Occupied Kashmir.

I don't know what your political affiliations are, but one thing is certain, your analysis is factually wrong.
It is not the unstable PTI government which is the reason for the Indian's aggression.
It is the 10 years inactivity before the PTI government came to power which has gradually brought the situation to this point of no return.
Don't you forget for a minute that criminal Nawaz Butt didn't have a foreign minister for 5 years.
Modi was given assurances by the corrupt and treacherous PMLN leaders that India's and Pakistani politicians common enemy is PA.
Modi after the re-election victory, according to his promise with the Indian nation has acted upon his malicious designs which are years/decades in making. RSS/ BJP could have not known that PTI would be in power when they made the plans to abrogate two articles on Kashmir from their constitution.

If anything PTI has jolted Modi/BJP/RSS designs by a very strong response, which is still in its first phase.
They were expecting similar overtures like Nawaz Butt and Zardari.

I am seething from you dishonest and inaccurate analysis. Point the blame to the right people.

 

[Last starfighter]

The only thing weak about this whole episode is an inexperienced PTI Government in power.

India did not dare annex Kashmir for 72-years, yet they managed to do so within the first year of the PTI Government coming to power with no response to date.

India did not carry out a single air strike on Pakistani territory for nearly 50- years but they managed to do so within months of the clueless PTI Government coming to power.

India carried out air strike in Khyber-Pakhtunkhawa and Pakistan's response was only in Indian Occupied Kashmir.

What a load of Karachi's rubbish

 

[BringHarmony]

Send afghan taliban give them ak 47 stinger and anti tank and they will bring u head of modi amit shah and dovalas war time trophy memrobilia

Np, this won't work. Fighters and militia have tactics which are highly local. Afghans know how to fight in ravines and deserts. If they enter mountain, forests and cold regions without knowing the area, they will be butchered. They won't be playing in their home territory, they will be easily recognizable, they won't have similar local base as they do in Afghanistan. They will be fighting an enemy deeply entrenched, knowing their area too well, have well established supply lines and have a massive informant network. Lastly, they will be outnumbered massively as you cann't suddenly move millions of afghans into the region. Their opponents will be in thousands to millions. They won't survive. You might have better luck with locals though.

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

Np, this won't work. Fighters and militia have tactics which are highly local. Afghans know how to fight in ravines and deserts. If they enter mountain, forests and cold regions without knowing the area, they will be butchered. They won't be playing in their home territory, they will be easily recognizable, they won't have similar local base as they do in Afghanistan. They will be fighting an enemy deeply entrenched, knowing their area too well, have well established supply lines and have a massive informant network. Lastly, they will be outnumbered massively as you cann't suddenly move millions of afghans into the region. Their opponents will be in thousands to millions. They won't survive. You might have better luck with locals though.

Commander Ibn al Khattab - the guy who went from fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan to fighting Russians in Chechnya - his example shows that these skills are transferable. Kashmir is much more similar to Afghanistan than Chechnya is - yet he 'successfully' managed to run a long gorilla war campaign against Russia.

The way I understand is that these soldiers are meant to go in and train others as well.

The Taliban in Afghanistan have been working in a very hostile environment as well - the Americans pay well and so there are likely spies everywhere. Not to mention air strikes and such.

Yes the American forces are few but the Afghan army they've trained is nearly two hundred thousand. I'm sure the NA have other fighters as well in addition to a strong intelligence network.

So the Afghan Taliban are fighting against both quality (NATO forces) as well as quantity (ANA Forces). They were also faced with a vast intelligence network of both Afghan intelligence and CIA as well as other intelligence agencies.

One additional thing was that the US would routinely bomb their bases in Pakistan as well - which wouldn't be too easy for the Indians - and even than they have managed to keep their campaign going.

With regards to the Kashmiri theatre, the Indians have struggled to fully extinguish the local resistance - especially even recently when Pakistani support for the Kashmiri resistance was minimal. You got Burhan Wani types and Pulwama happening.

So it's not so simple I think.

 

[Champion_Usmani]

آج کے دور میں عالمی تنازعات کو حل کرنے کا بہترین راستہ مذاکرات کو سمجھا جاتا ہے لیکن دوحہ میں سپر پاور امریکہ اور افغان طالبان کے مابین ہونیوالے مذاکرات نے دنیا بھر کی محکوم اقوام کو یہ سبق دیا ہے کہ مذاکرات اُسی وقت آگے بڑھتے ہیں جب کمزور کے ہاتھ میں بھی بندوق ہو اور وہ مرنے مارنے پر اتر آئے۔ امریکہ اور اس کے حواری کئی سال تک طالبان کو دہشت گرد قرار دیتے رہے اور آج ان دہشت گردوں کیساتھ مذاکرات کے نو رائونڈ مکمل کئے جا چکے ہیں۔

https://dailypakistan.com.pk/02-Sep-2019/1015809

 

[BringHarmony]

Salaam



Commander Ibn al Khattab - the guy who went from fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan to fighting Russians in Chechnya - his example shows that these skills are transferable. Kashmir is much more similar to Afghanistan than Chechnya is - yet he 'successfully' managed to run a long gorilla war campaign against Russia.

The way I understand is that these soldiers are meant to go in and train others as well.

The Taliban in Afghanistan have been working in a very hostile environment as well - the Americans pay well and so there are likely spies everywhere. Not to mention air strikes and such.

Yes the American forces are few but the Afghan army they've trained is nearly two hundred thousand. I'm sure the NA have other fighters as well in addition to a strong intelligence network.

So the Afghan Taliban are fighting against both quality (NATO forces) as well as quantity (ANA Forces). They were also faced with a vast intelligence network of both Afghan intelligence and CIA as well as other intelligence agencies.

One additional thing was that the US would routinely bomb their bases in Pakistan as well - which wouldn't be too easy for the Indians - and even than they have managed to keep their campaign going.

With regards to the Kashmiri theatre, the Indians have struggled to fully extinguish the local resistance - especially even recently when Pakistani support for the Kashmiri resistance was minimal. You got Burhan Wani types and Pulwama happening.

So it's not so simple I think.

Comparison with first Chechen war is misguided. In that war, Russians were neither entrenched in the Checheniya (the war had started in December '94, arab fighters arrived in jan 95), nor were having good morale to fight. Infact many veteran Russian generals refused to attack Chechnya. Further, the total strength of Army was tops 30 thousand soldiers.

Kashmir valley is right now controlled by Indian forces, police and all organs of government for about 50 years now. They know the geography way too well, they have massive (300 thousand +) troops in the region. They will be fighting with a morale to defend their land. In such a situation, new arrivals will simply be slaughtered.

First Chechenya war was about repelling attackers. Kashmir conflict will be about dislodging an army entrenched in the region for 50+ years, knowing the area way too well. They are not the least similar.