"We gave them a bloody nose and it is still hurting"

[Irfan Baloch]

Does 40k or even 20k make it any better?

na making it even 500k in paniput doesnt.
those were the times when most on this forum werent even birn.
but this thread is about much recent events.

 

[Markandeya]

What use has been to Indians from the invention called Chess ? And don't you think India and silliness go hand in hand ? Also, who are these yahoos you mention ?

Chess is the finest tool for strategising. It teaches permutations and combinations and the player who can use the brain to analyze more permutations and play accordingly, will be in a better position to win. Speed of analyzing. Silently thinking and implementing strategy. Keeping track of every single move of opponent. Focus being Checkmate and not creating mayhem etc etc

Silliness is not in Hindu philosophy. It's deep. Guru is a word that has origination in India and is a preferred word over a maulvi or bishop etc.

Yahoo's are the people who don't use their brain and are always eager to get into physical fight......and end up ultimately getting turned up....and still do not have a brain to understand what, who has mauled them...hope my hint is clear.

 

[li0nheart]

The strategy was fine, but the execution was flawed. At the start of the war PAF was too timid with its attacks on Indian airbases, used WWII era bombs which did not explode in Agra, and did not continue with constant follow up attacks to hinder IAF runway repairs.

An offensive was meant to be launched into East Punjab but it never took place. In the Rajasthan offensive PAF was not employed which lead to the disaster that was Longewala. At the end of the war, India could not achieve a victory on the Western Front and gave territory in Kashmir and return all its gains in Pakistan.

East Pakistan was doomed to fall from the start unless Pakistan went full Nazi or caved into Mujib's demands for a state within a state - Bengal is further from Pakistan than Iraq. Fighting outnumbered 10:1 with the population of the most densely populated place on the planet against you will not end well in any circumstance.

If East Pakistan was friendly to Pakistan, the Indian military would face the same fierce and brutal militancy that non-Bengalis faced. Perhaps East Pakistan would be defensible in such a conventional scenario, and the defence of the East would really lie in the West.

From your explanation, I could surmise that people of erstwhile East Pakistan would have been able to defend themselves had they decided to do so. Only because they didn't resist, IA was able to reach Dhaka. How do you justify "defence of East lies upon the West" with this explanation?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Chess is the finest tool for strategising. It teaches permutations and combinations and the player who can use the brain to analyze more permutations and play accordingly, will be in a better position to win. Speed of analyzing. Silently thinking and implementing strategy. Keeping track of every single move of opponent. Focus being Checkmate and not creating mayhem etc etc

Silliness is not in Hindu philosophy. It's deep. Guru is a word that has origination in India and is a preferred word over a maulvi or bishop etc.

Yahoo's are the people who don't use their brain and are always eager to get into physical fight......and end up ultimately getting turned up....and still do not have a brain to understand what, who has mauled them...hope my hint is clear.

Is the invention of chess more important than the invention of aeroplanes, cars, computers and the internet?

 

[JX-1]

How do you justify "defence of East lies upon the West" with this explanation?

If Pakistani progress in the West was significant enough, it would be able to pressure India into withdrawing from East Pakistan.

 

[li0nheart]

If Pakistani progress in the West was significant enough, it would be able to pressure India into withdrawing from East Pakistan.

Thanks for the reply.

I would counter that with this.

If Pakistani progress in the East was at least as much as was there in West, the people of East Pakistan would not have felt left behind and ignored. They may have resisted the invading army. Even more so, most probably there would not have been an opportunity to attack East Pakistan.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You've still heavily underperformed with such a massive advantage

Who cares?

 

[JX-1]

If Pakistani progress in the East was at least as much as was there in West, the people of East Pakistan would not have felt left behind and ignored. They may have resisted the invading army. Even more so, most probably there would not have been an opportunity to attack East Pakistan.

The people of the east hated Pakistan for a long time. Months before India invaded Bangladesh already controlled most of the countryside and massacres were happening left and right. Maybe this logic would apply in 1965 where there wasn't so much hate.

 

[jamahir]

Chess is the finest tool for strategising. It teaches permutations and combinations and the player who can use the brain to analyze more permutations and play accordingly, will be in a better position to win. Speed of analyzing. Silently thinking and implementing strategy. Keeping track of every single move of opponent. Focus being Checkmate and not creating mayhem etc etc

I knew you will mention "Strategy" hence I deliberately asked. Any sensible person looking at India will think strategy is not in dictionary of Indians. Please understand that.

Silliness is not in Hindu philosophy. It's deep. Guru is a word that has origination in India and is a preferred word over a maulvi or bishop etc.

"Guru" was popularized by misinformed and misguided hippies coming to India to experience "spiritual bliss" and by yoga teachers scamming Westerners in the West but spirituality is the most distant from Indians than from any other peoples in human history. In the wonderful discussion series 'Shut Up Ya Kunal' by Kunal Kamra this episode has leftist activist Shehla Rashid and progressive Dalit leader Jignesh Mevani. At 22:07 mins Jignesh speaks about a book by Dear Leader Modi - perhaps your guru - called Karmayogi in which Dear Leader declared that the lower caste Hindus who work in the drains and the gutters do so because they attain Aadhyatmik Anand ( "Spiritual happiness" ). Jignesh then rightly asks then why doesn't Modi get into the gutters and drains then and experience that spiritual happiness. So, for 3000 years in India the chess-playing "strategizing" Brahmanvadis who have been pushing the lower castes into the gutters, let them also have this spiritual bliss, what say ?

 

[Markandeya]

I knew you will mention "Strategy" hence I deliberately asked. Any sensible person looking at India will think strategy is not in dictionary of Indians. Please understand that.



"Guru" was popularized by misinformed and misguided hippies coming to India to experience "spiritual bliss" and by yoga teachers scamming Westerners in the West but spirituality is the most distant from Indians than from any other peoples in human history. In the wonderful discussion series 'Shut Up Ya Kunal' by Kunal Kamra this episode has leftist activist Shehla Rashid and progressive Dalit leader Jignesh Mevani. At 22:07 mins Jignesh speaks about a book by Dear Leader Modi - perhaps your guru - called Karmayogi in which Dear Leader declared that the lower caste Hindus who work in the drains and the gutters do so because they attain Aadhyatmik Anand ( "Spiritual happiness" ). Jignesh then rightly asks then why doesn't Modi get into the gutters and drains then and experience that spiritual happiness. So, for 3000 years in India the chess-playing "strategizing" Brahmanvadis who have been pushing the lower castes into the gutters, let them also have this spiritual bliss, what say ?

Half knowledge is worse . Know this.

Getting gyan from people with agenda will not make you gyani.

Using tit bits to further your agenda will not take you far.


As far as Hindus are concerned and their gurus are specifically concerned, you will not even comprehend the level that they talk , till you get your indoctrination cleaned up.

Abhramic faith servives on three pillars 1) Filling fear in people 2) Eliminating whoever questions 3) Carrots in after life for followers. There is no choice. The reason, scientific bend is first victim..

Arguing with you is waste of time.

 

[jamahir]

2) Eliminating whoever questions

So, why did Modi government let Stan Swamy die in jail ? Why is Umar Khalid in jail for the last 1.5 years ? They were / are people who asked questions after all.

Abhramic faith servives on three pillars 1) Filling fear in people 2) Eliminating whoever questions 3) Carrots in after life for followers. There is no choice. The reason, scientific bend is first victim..

Arguing with you is waste of time.

No no, argue with me on "scientific bend". Which Indian party's leader who is a state's chief minister, declare in 2018 that "Indians" had satellite-augmented internet in the days of the Mahabharata hundreds of thousands of years ago ? Which Indian prime minister declared some years ago that "ancient Indians" knew in vitro fertilization techniques and advanced plastic surgery techniques to the extent that an elephant head was transplanted onto a human body ?

And please realize that the computer and the internet you use is from the Abrahamic Christians more recently who themselves learned from the Abrahamic Muslims who invented automata machinery during the Islamic Golden Age but also learned from the earlier Greeks. So, if you don't like Abrahamic religions then quit using computers and the internet.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

How many more years you guys live in denial ,let me take most pakistani arguments ,1000 miles away,out numbered ,no resupply.

What were the Pakistani forces doing in west Pakistan.

Beating the Indian army lol

lets not forget despite what happened India made no advancements in West Pakistan.

 

[Markandeya]

So, why did Modi government let Stan Swamy die in jail ? Why is Umar Khalid in jail for the last 1.5 years ? They were / are people who asked questions after all.



No no, argue with me on "scientific bend". Which Indian party's leader who is a state's chief minister, declare in 2018 that "Indians" had satellite-augmented internet in the days of the Mahabharata hundreds of thousands of years ago ? Which Indian prime minister declared some years ago that "ancient Indians" knew in vitro fertilization techniques and advanced plastic surgery techniques to the extent that an elephant head was transplanted onto a human body ?

And please realize that the computer and the internet you use is from the Abrahamic Christians more recently who themselves learned from the Abrahamic Muslims who invented automata machinery during the Islamic Golden Age but also learned from the earlier Greeks. So, if you don't like Abrahamic religions then quit using computers and the internet.

You realize people do not practice faith. One can be a born Christian or a Jew but inspired by Geeta or Sanskrit Veda.

Stan Swamy has link with terrorist. Umar Khalid has indulged in activities that they should not and he is a rable router and protagonist to many anti national movement. I do not see a Hindu indulging in such activities in Pakistan. Muslims voted en masses for creation of Pakistan. It is their vote and support that resulted in creation of Pakistan....land where Muslim Faith can be practiced freely. Muslims did not move to Pakistan...ok. .but in Hindustan ....Muslim needs to behave and learn to live the way Hindus live in Pakistan. This is pretty straight and reasonable. If Indian Muslim wants parity, they need to first get back to India..Pakistan. You cannot have your cake and also eat others.

 

[Rollno21]

Beating the Indian army lol

lets not forget despite what happened India made no advancements in West Pakistan.

What was the objective of Indian Army,was it in East Pakistan or west Pakistan.

 

[jamahir]

You realize people do not practice faith. One can be a born Christian or a Jew but inspired by Geeta or Sanskrit Veda.

Yeah and the same Geeta in its translated and commentary form was put up on trial in Russia in 2011 for banning on charges of formenting extremism and hatred in society and denigrating human dignity. I quote the Wikipedia page for this :

Court case​

The court case was filed in June 2011 by the public prosecutor of Tomsk Victor Fyodotov.[5] The prosecutor based his plea on an expert analysis of the Bhagavad Gita As It Is commissioned by the FSB.[13] Its authors, three professors of Tomsk State University, Sergei Avanesov, Valery Svistunov, and Valery Naumov, concluded that Bhaktivedanta Swami's commentaries on the Bhagavad Gita contain "signs of fomenting religious hatred, denigration of human dignity on grounds of gender, race, nationality, language, origins, and religious conviction",[6][14] claim exclusiveness of the Krishna religion,[5][14] use derogatory terms against those who were not devotees of Krishna,[5][14] and foster "social discord", "gender, race, nationality, and language" discrimination.[2][14] In addition to this, it was alleged to contain "calls to hostile, violent actions against a number of social and religious groups".

Stan Swamy has link with terrorist. Umar Khalid has indulged in activities that they should not and he is a rable router and protagonist to many anti national movement.

1. Let us start with what do you mean by "terrorist" ?

2. What did Umar Khalid do that Anurag Thakur and Kapil Mishra did not ? And speaking of Kapil Mishra the below tweet was posted in another thread yesterday. How is he openly doing all this ?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1513588576310554633

So he doesn't want the identity of an Indian but only of a Hindu. Doesn't that make him an anti-national, a title that the Hindutvadis foist on others ? Additionally, he doesn't want the identity of a human. Well, not surprising for a Hindutvadi. And here is he again inciting genocide, openly. Who is the rabble rouser now ?

I do not see a Hindu indulging in such activities in Pakistan.

When the irrational Zia ul Haq ruled Pakistan on behalf of NATO there were many progressive Muslim Pakistanis who opposed him. How many Hindu Pakistanis were involved in opposing him ? Not that I am being racist against the Hindu Pakistanis but just asking a simple question. Unlike those from majority community in Pakistan who opposed Zia you from the majority community in India do not find fault with the Modi government on any issue.

Muslims voted en masses for creation of Pakistan. It is their vote and support that resulted in creation of Pakistan....land where Muslim Faith can be practiced freely. Muslims did not move to Pakistan...ok. .but in Hindustan ....Muslim needs to behave and learn to live the way Hindus live in Pakistan. This is pretty straight and reasonable. If Indian Muslim wants parity, they need to first get back to India..Pakistan. You cannot have your cake and also eat others.

Ah, there's your issue. In the same vein I will ask for Hindus to go back to the former Iranic lands where they originated and from where they migrated to South Asia 3000 years ago.