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USS Fitzgerald's leadership to be removed from their duties over June collision

By Ryan Browne
Updated 8:32 PM EDT, Thu August 17, 2017
170616175607-uss-fitzgerald-damage-super-169.jpg


(CNN)The commanding officer, executive officer and senior non-commissioned officer of the USS Fitzgerald are due to be removed from their duties for cause amid the fallout surrounding the deadly collision between the USS Fitzgerald and a cargo ship off the coast of Japan on June 17.

"They will be detached from the ship for cause, which is, we've lost trust and confidence in their ability to lead in those positions and they will not return to the ship," Vice Chief of Naval Operations Adm. William Moran told reporters at the Pentagon late Thursday.

Moran added that the commander of the Navy's 7th Fleet, Adm. Joseph Aucoin, "has notified them of his intent" to detach them for cause a move likely to occur during their non-judicial punishment process, scheduled to take place Friday.

While the final investigation into the collision is ongoing, Moran said: "We do not have to have the investigation complete to start the process."

The Fitzgerald's commanding officer, Cdr. Bryce Benson, and the executive officer, Cdr. Sean Babbiit, were both sleeping, and the master chief petty officer, Brice Baldwin, was not on the bridge at the time of collision, according to the Navy.

The bow of the cargo ship directly struck the commander's cabin, according to the Navy's report detailing the immediate aftermath of the collision.

It said Benson "was hanging from the side of the ship" when he was retrieved by crewmembers who were forced to use a sledgehammer, kettlebell and their bodies to break through the door and gain access to the heavily damaged cabin.

Benson was medically evacuated via helicopter due to the severity of his injuries and he placed on limited duty status on July 11.

"There are a lot of sailors" who have undergone the non-judicial punishment process and "survived and done well," Moran said, but "when you look at what happened here, it's going to be pretty hard to recover from this."

While additional non-judicial punishments could be levied at the "captain's mast" inquiry, due to take place Friday, Moran said that Aucoin "has already made the decision to detach for cause" the leadership team.

"Serious mistakes were made by members of the crew," Moran said, adding that "clearly at some point the bridge team lost situational awareness."

One additional sailor has already undergone the captain's mast. Several other sailors are due to go through the process, including the people who were on watch that night.

The Navy also plans to review its training and qualification procedures in the wake of the deadly collision, in which the Fitzgerald was heavily damaged. It will have to be brought back to the US for repairs.

The Navy's report on the immediate aftermath provides a harrowing account of US sailors attempting to escape a rapidly flooding sleeping area that filled with water within minutes after the cargo ship's bow tore a hole in the side of the Fitzgerald. Of the 35 sailors in the sleeping area at the time of the collision, 28 were able to escape, but the remaining seven sailors died.

The report describes a chaotic scene following the collision between the Fitzgerald and the much larger cargo ship. Some sailors were thrown from their beds, while others remained asleep. Sailors ran through the sleeping area, attempting to awaken their still-sleeping crew members.
"At least one sailor had to be pulled from his rack and into the water before he woke up," the report said, referring to the Naval term for a bed.

The crew had to move quickly to escape the area using a ladder before the sleeping area became completely flooded, with the report saying the room "was nearly flooded within a span of 30 to 60 seconds."

"By the time the third sailor to leave arrived at the ladder, the water was already waist deep," the report said.

Rear Adm. Charles F. Williams wrote in the memo accompanying the report that the sailors in that sleeping area "should be commended for their response to the dangerous and deadly threat they faced."

Moran said the investigation will have to be completed before any medals or awards can be adjudicated to any sailors for acts of heroism.

An acting commanding officer had been assigned to the Fitzgerald following the collision, and a permanent replacement, Cdr. Garrett Miller, has been identified and is expected to take command soon.

The full investigation will have to be completed in order for the Navy to assign responsibility for the collision.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn.../uss-fitzgerald-leadership-removed/index.html
 
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USS Fitzgerald's leadership to be removed from their duties over June collision

By Ryan Browne
Updated 8:32 PM EDT, Thu August 17, 2017
170616175607-uss-fitzgerald-damage-super-169.jpg


(CNN)The commanding officer, executive officer and senior non-commissioned officer of the USS Fitzgerald are due to be removed from their duties for cause amid the fallout surrounding the deadly collision between the USS Fitzgerald and a cargo ship off the coast of Japan on June 17.

"They will be detached from the ship for cause, which is, we've lost trust and confidence in their ability to lead in those positions and they will not return to the ship," Vice Chief of Naval Operations Adm. William Moran told reporters at the Pentagon late Thursday.

Moran added that the commander of the Navy's 7th Fleet, Adm. Joseph Aucoin, "has notified them of his intent" to detach them for cause a move likely to occur during their non-judicial punishment process, scheduled to take place Friday.

While the final investigation into the collision is ongoing, Moran said: "We do not have to have the investigation complete to start the process."

The Fitzgerald's commanding officer, Cdr. Bryce Benson, and the executive officer, Cdr. Sean Babbiit, were both sleeping, and the master chief petty officer, Brice Baldwin, was not on the bridge at the time of collision, according to the Navy.

The bow of the cargo ship directly struck the commander's cabin, according to the Navy's report detailing the immediate aftermath of the collision.

It said Benson "was hanging from the side of the ship" when he was retrieved by crewmembers who were forced to use a sledgehammer, kettlebell and their bodies to break through the door and gain access to the heavily damaged cabin.

Benson was medically evacuated via helicopter due to the severity of his injuries and he placed on limited duty status on July 11.

"There are a lot of sailors" who have undergone the non-judicial punishment process and "survived and done well," Moran said, but "when you look at what happened here, it's going to be pretty hard to recover from this."

While additional non-judicial punishments could be levied at the "captain's mast" inquiry, due to take place Friday, Moran said that Aucoin "has already made the decision to detach for cause" the leadership team.

"Serious mistakes were made by members of the crew," Moran said, adding that "clearly at some point the bridge team lost situational awareness."

One additional sailor has already undergone the captain's mast. Several other sailors are due to go through the process, including the people who were on watch that night.

The Navy also plans to review its training and qualification procedures in the wake of the deadly collision, in which the Fitzgerald was heavily damaged. It will have to be brought back to the US for repairs.

The Navy's report on the immediate aftermath provides a harrowing account of US sailors attempting to escape a rapidly flooding sleeping area that filled with water within minutes after the cargo ship's bow tore a hole in the side of the Fitzgerald. Of the 35 sailors in the sleeping area at the time of the collision, 28 were able to escape, but the remaining seven sailors died.

The report describes a chaotic scene following the collision between the Fitzgerald and the much larger cargo ship. Some sailors were thrown from their beds, while others remained asleep. Sailors ran through the sleeping area, attempting to awaken their still-sleeping crew members.
"At least one sailor had to be pulled from his rack and into the water before he woke up," the report said, referring to the Naval term for a bed.

The crew had to move quickly to escape the area using a ladder before the sleeping area became completely flooded, with the report saying the room "was nearly flooded within a span of 30 to 60 seconds."

"By the time the third sailor to leave arrived at the ladder, the water was already waist deep," the report said.

Rear Adm. Charles F. Williams wrote in the memo accompanying the report that the sailors in that sleeping area "should be commended for their response to the dangerous and deadly threat they faced."

Moran said the investigation will have to be completed before any medals or awards can be adjudicated to any sailors for acts of heroism.

An acting commanding officer had been assigned to the Fitzgerald following the collision, and a permanent replacement, Cdr. Garrett Miller, has been identified and is expected to take command soon.

The full investigation will have to be completed in order for the Navy to assign responsibility for the collision.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn.../uss-fitzgerald-leadership-removed/index.html
Why US sailors need to be punished if they are not guilty of negligent? Can we ask @jhungary to explain here? This time this report is by USN and Vice Commander of USN makes a comment and not some tom dick harry anonymous as some stated trying to delay the inevitable of USN Fitzgerald at fault over this collision.

I guess the sailor on watch must be sleeping or lack of professional training result in loss of command?

Hail the might professional USN? Looks like not so professional after all? :enjoy:
 
Why US sailors need to be punished if they are not guilty of negligent? Can we ask @jhungary to explain here? This time this report is by USN and Vice Commander of USN makes a comment and not some tom dick harry anonymous as some stated trying to delay the inevitable of USN Fitzgerald at fault over this collision.

I guess the sailor on watch must be sleeping or lack of professional training result in loss of command?

Hail the might professional USN? Looks like not so professional after all? :enjoy:

Don't mock that fake Chinese yet, the official report is not out yet. The news report from CNN and a few MSM blaming the Fitzgerald is not conclusive. Once the Navy officially announce to the world that it was the Pinoys' fault he and the old geezer gambit will jump out and say "TOLD YA, we served the military so we have the credibility" :D
But yeah any SANE mind can tell the Yankees failed miserable here, two separate teams monitoring and still couldn't detect an incoming gigantic cargo ship definitely needs to be punished.
 
Why US sailors need to be punished if they are not guilty of negligent? Can we ask @jhungary to explain here? This time this report is by USN and Vice Commander of USN makes a comment and not some tom dick harry anonymous as some stated trying to delay the inevitable of USN Fitzgerald at fault over this collision.

I guess the sailor on watch must be sleeping or lack of professional training result in loss of command?

Hail the might professional USN? Looks like not so professional after all? :enjoy:

Ah!!
USS Fitzgerald's leadership to be removed from their duties over June collision

By Ryan Browne
Updated 8:32 PM EDT, Thu August 17, 2017
170616175607-uss-fitzgerald-damage-super-169.jpg


(CNN)The commanding officer, executive officer and senior non-commissioned officer of the USS Fitzgerald are due to be removed from their duties for cause amid the fallout surrounding the deadly collision between the USS Fitzgerald and a cargo ship off the coast of Japan on June 17.

"They will be detached from the ship for cause, which is, we've lost trust and confidence in their ability to lead in those positions and they will not return to the ship," Vice Chief of Naval Operations Adm. William Moran told reporters at the Pentagon late Thursday.

Moran added that the commander of the Navy's 7th Fleet, Adm. Joseph Aucoin, "has notified them of his intent" to detach them for cause a move likely to occur during their non-judicial punishment process, scheduled to take place Friday.

While the final investigation into the collision is ongoing, Moran said: "We do not have to have the investigation complete to start the process."

The Fitzgerald's commanding officer, Cdr. Bryce Benson, and the executive officer, Cdr. Sean Babbiit, were both sleeping, and the master chief petty officer, Brice Baldwin, was not on the bridge at the time of collision, according to the Navy.

The bow of the cargo ship directly struck the commander's cabin, according to the Navy's report detailing the immediate aftermath of the collision.

It said Benson "was hanging from the side of the ship" when he was retrieved by crewmembers who were forced to use a sledgehammer, kettlebell and their bodies to break through the door and gain access to the heavily damaged cabin.

Benson was medically evacuated via helicopter due to the severity of his injuries and he placed on limited duty status on July 11.

"There are a lot of sailors" who have undergone the non-judicial punishment process and "survived and done well," Moran said, but "when you look at what happened here, it's going to be pretty hard to recover from this."

While additional non-judicial punishments could be levied at the "captain's mast" inquiry, due to take place Friday, Moran said that Aucoin "has already made the decision to detach for cause" the leadership team.

"Serious mistakes were made by members of the crew," Moran said, adding that "clearly at some point the bridge team lost situational awareness."

One additional sailor has already undergone the captain's mast. Several other sailors are due to go through the process, including the people who were on watch that night.

The Navy also plans to review its training and qualification procedures in the wake of the deadly collision, in which the Fitzgerald was heavily damaged. It will have to be brought back to the US for repairs.

The Navy's report on the immediate aftermath provides a harrowing account of US sailors attempting to escape a rapidly flooding sleeping area that filled with water within minutes after the cargo ship's bow tore a hole in the side of the Fitzgerald. Of the 35 sailors in the sleeping area at the time of the collision, 28 were able to escape, but the remaining seven sailors died.

The report describes a chaotic scene following the collision between the Fitzgerald and the much larger cargo ship. Some sailors were thrown from their beds, while others remained asleep. Sailors ran through the sleeping area, attempting to awaken their still-sleeping crew members.
"At least one sailor had to be pulled from his rack and into the water before he woke up," the report said, referring to the Naval term for a bed.

The crew had to move quickly to escape the area using a ladder before the sleeping area became completely flooded, with the report saying the room "was nearly flooded within a span of 30 to 60 seconds."

"By the time the third sailor to leave arrived at the ladder, the water was already waist deep," the report said.

Rear Adm. Charles F. Williams wrote in the memo accompanying the report that the sailors in that sleeping area "should be commended for their response to the dangerous and deadly threat they faced."

Moran said the investigation will have to be completed before any medals or awards can be adjudicated to any sailors for acts of heroism.

An acting commanding officer had been assigned to the Fitzgerald following the collision, and a permanent replacement, Cdr. Garrett Miller, has been identified and is expected to take command soon.

The full investigation will have to be completed in order for the Navy to assign responsibility for the collision.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/08/17/politics/uss-fitzgerald-leadership-removed/index.html


lol, this relief of command is not the direct result from causing the collision, and was very highly speculated even before the official investigation started, under UCMJ, commander can be removed when people under his/her command died without due care, which all three were removed due to failure of command. By which it mean the three should have handle the situation better, but they didn't. I have told you 100th times, in fact, I even said so on the other thread before any investigation start. This is what I said back in June 18 (Collision is on June 17)

Post 33 https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/us-ship-involved-in-accident.502235/page-3

yes, the captain will have to answer to this even if it was not at fault, because for a Naval Captain, the ship's crew is under his command, and if an accident is avoidable and even it was not at fault, he will still be on hook for command failure resulting death or serious injury to person or persons under his/her command

We need more information to assign blame, but I can see the Captain career is all but over.

And this is the 7th Fleet Statement

https://news.usni.org/2017/08/17/vc...arly-investigation-results-punishments-coming

The removals and additional punishments for those standing watch during the incident come as the Navy released a supplemental investigation that detailed the circumstances aboard Fitzgerald that resulted in the death of the seven sailors who drowned in their berthing space. The line of duty investigation occurs when a service member dies to make sure they did not die due to their own misconduct.

While the service was clear that the supplemental investigation was only into the events following the collision and not on the conduct of the crew before they hit the merchant ship, there are signs in the 41-page summary that there were substantial failures by the watch ahead of the damage control efforts.

And also on the investigation itself

http://www.secnav.navy.mil/foia/readingroom/HotTopics/USS Fitzgerald/Supplemental Inquiry USS Fitzgerald.pdf

2. The investigation directed in reference (b) was limited to the events that occurred after the collision, other ongoing investigations address events that occurred prior to the collision. Members and individuals who assisted with the post-collision response efforts provided much of the information enclosure (1); additional resources included records related to medical treatment and damage control procedure.

In short, the 3 commanders (CO, XO, COB) was removed due to the fact that they were not in the position to lead AFTER THE INCIDENT. CO was sleeping and trapped in his own berth, XO and COB were both not on the bridge. Which effectively mean they are not in control of the ship AFTER the incident, left the ship to the crew's own device, and if so, they fail their duty as COMMANDERS of the vessel, and hence removed from duty, an action I have suggested 1 day after the collision.

The investigation that lead to the removal of 3 commanders were not the same investigation that looking into the collision as to how it happened.

LOL sorry to burst your bubble again, but you guys failed AGAIN. Try harder next time
 
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lol, this relief of command is not the direct result from causing the collision, and was very highly speculated even before the official investigation started, under UCMJ, commander can be removed when people under his/her command died without due care, which all three were removed due to failure of command. By which it mean the three should have handle the situation better, but they didn't. I have told you 100th times, in fact, I even said so on the other thread before any investigation start. This is what I said back in June 18 (Collision is on June 17)

Post 33 https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/us-ship-involved-in-accident.502235/page-3



And this is the 7th Fleet Statement

https://news.usni.org/2017/08/17/vc...arly-investigation-results-punishments-coming



And also on the investigation itself

http://www.secnav.navy.mil/foia/readingroom/HotTopics/USS Fitzgerald/Supplemental Inquiry USS Fitzgerald.pdf



In short, the 3 commanders (CO, XO, COB) was removed due to the fact that they were not in the position to lead AFTER THE INCIDENT. CO was sleeping and trapped in his own berth, XO and COB were both not on the bridge. Which effectively mean they are not in control of the ship AFTER the incident, left the ship to the crew's own device, and if so, they fail their duty as COMMANDERS of the vessel, and hence removed from duty, an action I have suggested 1 day after the collision.

The investigation that lead to the removal of 3 commanders were not the same investigation that looking into the collision as to how it happened.

LOL sorry to burst your bubble again, but you guys failed AGAIN. Try harder next time
Did you even bother to read the report? More sailors are expected to be removed from post and not your nonsense CO only. The on watch sailors are guilty of negligence. You can continue to spin and spew nonsense but everybody knows the truth. Even the chief of USN will not be as optimistic as you.

The one need to try harder is you. :lol:
 
Did you even bother to read the report? 7 sailor are removed from post and not your nonsense CO only. The 7sailors are guilty of negligence. You can continue to spin and spew nonsense but everybody knows the truth. Even the chief of USN will not be as optimistic as you.

The one need to try harder is you. :lol:

I would say you are the one that did not read the report. The report does not remove 7 sailor, 7 sailor is dead and that is the aim of that report, where in the report suggest 7 sailor was relief due to negligent? Did you read that or you make it up in your own mind?

The report dated Aug 11, 2017 (which is a report, not a recommendation) did not even mention the removal of any sailor, the report serve as JAGC (US Navy Judge Advocate General Corp) as per reference material so the report is to help the JAGC to take relevant action. The report do suggested personal heroism. The US Navy removal of personnel is done by JAGC, which in turn dedicated to the Command Structure of the US 7th Fleet, which USS Fitzgerald is part of.

And US Navy 7th fleet release a press release statement stating the 3 men Cmdr. Bryce Benson, CO of USS Fitzgerald was relieved due to a loss of confidence in his ability to lead, Cmdr Sean Babbitt (XO, USS Fitzgerald) , and command master chief (of COB Chief of Boat), Master Chief Petty Officer Brice Baldwin, was relief due to Inadequate leadership.


As well as relieving the 3 commanders. Several junior office with 2 watch team (Bridge and CIC) was administratively punished/relief of post by the Navy (which mean docking pay) for poor seamanship and flawed teamwork.

The red bolted part is the reason why they are relief as per ADM Joseph Aucoin, where is the "Negligent" as you claim

The full report of the 7th Fleet release can be found here

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=102002

All these were action AFTER the collision, not during or before the collision. As the REPORT on Aug 11 States.

Now, please do tell me, if you have read the report, which 7 crew member is being relief? LOL, did you actually read these thing?
 
I would say you are the one that did not read the report. The report does not remove 7 sailor, 7 sailor is dead and that is the aim of that report, where in the report suggest 7 sailor was relief due to negligent? Did you read that or you make it up in your own mind?

The report dated Aug 11, 2017 (which is a report, not a recommendation) did not even mention the removal of any sailor, the report serve as JAGC (US Navy Judge Advocate General Corp) as per reference material so the report is to help the JAGC to take relevant action. The report do suggested personal heroism. The US Navy removal of personnel is done by JAGC, which in turn dedicated to the Command Structure of the US 7th Fleet, which USS Fitzgerald is part of.

And US Navy 7th fleet release a press release statement stating the 3 men Cmdr. Bryce Benson, CO of USS Fitzgerald was relieved due to a loss of confidence in his ability to lead, Cmdr Sean Babbitt (XO, USS Fitzgerald) , and command master chief (of COB Chief of Boat), Master Chief Petty Officer Brice Baldwin, was relief due to Inadequate leadership.


As well as relieving the 3 commanders. Several junior office with 2 watch team (Bridge and CIC) was administratively punished/relief of post by the Navy (which mean docking pay) for poor seamanship and flawed teamwork.

The red bolted part is the reason why they are relief as per ADM Joseph Aucoin, where is the "Negligent" as you claim

The full report of the 7th Fleet release can be found here

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=102002

All these were action AFTER the collision, not during or before the collision. As the REPORT on Aug 11 States.

Now, please do tell me, if you have read the report, which 7 crew member is being relief? LOL, did you actually read these thing?

How dare you make things up and put your own words into my mouth? See what I wrote? I never claim 7 sailors. And why would those be punished? Try harder. :enjoy:
 
How dare you make things up and put your own words into my mouth? See what I wrote? I never claim 7 sailors. And why would those be punished? Try harder. :enjoy:

lol, whatever (Also, just because you have edited the post does not mean there are no evidence, I have screen shot of your post) I made screen shot to every post I have reply for a long time, and I am more than gladly to have mod verify the original content and the modification and ask them to post it here if you want.

You do know this website run like Wikipedia, every modification was logged, and it's not hard to find the original post you made. Just because you made some change immediately and it did not show the post was edited, doesn't not mean it was not actually edited. Are you really want to go down that road with me?

[This paragraph was edited immediately after the post]
 
lol, whatever (Also, just because you have edited the post does not mean there are no evidence, I have screen shot of your post) I made screen shot to every post I have reply for a long time, and I am more than gladly to have mod verify the original content and the modification and ask them to post it here if you want.

You do know this website run like Wikipedia, every modification was logged, and it's not hard to find the original post you made. Just because you made some change immediately and it did not show the post was edited, doesn't not mean it was not actually edited. Are you really want to go down that road with me?

[This paragraph was edited immediately after the post]
Edit of post will show the timing and proof of edit. You need to show proof instead of maligning. I think you have reached new low in your desperation of accusing others and get face for yourself.

Come on, you already humiliate enough in the Fritzgerald saga. You can continue to spin but fact is USN is at fault and lack of professionalism is apparent in this incident. Your continue foolish defence of USN is damaging USN further rather than helping. :enjoy:
 
Why US sailors need to be punished if they are not guilty of negligent? Can we ask @jhungary to explain here? This time this report is by USN and Vice Commander of USN makes a comment and not some tom dick harry anonymous as some stated trying to delay the inevitable of USN Fitzgerald at fault over this collision.

I guess the sailor on watch must be sleeping or lack of professional training result in loss of command?

Hail the might professional USN? Looks like not so professional after all? :enjoy:
Exactly !!!! that's what I was saying that it was a major blunder on the part of ships crew.... and Navy's decision vindicates my stance.
 
Edit of post will show the timing and proof of edit. You need to show proof instead of maligning. I think you have reached new low in your desperation of accusing others and get face for yourself.

Come on, you already humiliate enough in the Fritzgerald saga. You can continue to spin but fact is USN is at fault and lack of professionalism is apparent in this incident. Your continue foolish defence of USN is damaging USN further rather than helping. :enjoy:

I edited my post before, did you see the stamp on the post before?

You can edit within 5 minutes without showing the post is being edited, the same way you can post 2 post within 5 minutes and will be the same post

Again, do you want me to post the screen shot and ask Moderator for an explanation?

And lol, seems like you are the one being humiliated. You don't know the report is not even for the cause of the crash, then you start talking about being removed for "Negligent" the report and the subsequent clearly state the people removed because they are not being able to lead. Unless you can counter this post with facts, your are not worthy to my reply.



Exactly !!!! that's what I was saying that it was a major blunder on the part of ships crew.... and Navy's decision vindicates my stance.

It actually didn't

The captain is going to be relieved regardless of whether or not USS Fitzgerald are found to be culpable or not, the report is a result of the Article 32 Hearing from the Navy into the US Sailor death, whether or not the sailor death is the result of action of themselves, act or god or avoidable. The people removed from command because they failed to command the situation (CO is sleeping, XO is absent after the collision) and 7 people died because this command failure AFTER the collision.

The report founded the crash happened but those sailor need not to die, and they die because neither the Captain nor the XO are present on the ship and bridge. Why the ship collide is a different investigation, don't forget there are 4 separate investigation on going at the same time, one is for the clause of the crash (Done by Japanese Maritime Safety Bureau from the Japanese Coast Guard) , one is for the adjuster claim (insurance purpose) 1 is for the 7 dead sailor (This one) and one is for US navy internal inquiry.

The clause of collision is still unknown.

And to give you, and EVERYONE a hint, the official investigation to this collision is conducted by Japanese Coast Guard, so if there are any report from US side, this is not that investigation.
 

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