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ISLAMABAD:
The US decision to suspend approximately $800 million in aid to Pakistan is ‘punishment’ for Islamabad’s refusal to accept Washington’s demands seeking a permanent presence of American military personnel in all airbases of the country, according to military and intelligence officials.

The Pakistani military not only rejected the idea but also decided to expel all US military trainers in the country in retaliation for the May 2 raid on Abbottabad that killed al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden.

The move, officials said, annoyed the Obama administration so much that it threatened to take a series of ‘punitive’ measures, including the suspension of aid in an effort to pursue Pakistan to reverse the decision.

Washington had asked Islamabad to agree to certain conditions following the Bin Laden debacle. Among other requests, the US administration was pushing for the right to maintain a permanent presence of its military officials on all airbases in Pakistan, even after the complete withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan in 2014.

“They (Americans) want us to allow a certain number of uniformed officials on all airbases of the country,” said one security official, who requested not to be named since he was not authorised to speak on the subject.

However, the official would not give the exact number of military personnel the US was seeking to maintain permanently in Pakistan.
“The demand was resisted and rejected as it was too intrusive,” said another official. “The Bin Laden episode has provided us the opportunity to overcome our shortcomings.”

The US government, for its part, confirmed that demands were made, though it did not specify what those demands were.

“When it comes to our military assistance, we’re not prepared to continue providing that at the pace that we were providing it unless and until we see certain steps taken,” said US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland, defending the US decision to suspend military aid to Pakistan.

Sources said the security establishment had now realised just how freely the United States had been able to operate inside Pakistan before the May 2 incident and was keen on reducing it.

“The CIA has been able to penetrate too deep and there are even fears that it could make inroads into the country’s security establishment if steps are not taken to scale back their activities,” commented a military official.

He confirmed that, in the wake of Abbottabad raid, the security establishment had not only expelled US military trainers but also made efforts to ‘plug loopholes in our visa policy for American visitors.’
“We will not allow the kind of freedom under which the American officials and operatives were operating in the country,” the official said.

The US State Department spokesperson confirmed the new restrictions. She recalled that on May 25, Islamabad demanded that about 100 US advisers leave Pakistani soil, effectively halting military training, adding “we obviously can’t do that in an environment where Pakistan has asked our trainers to go.”

However, Pakistani military officials insisted that the US decision to withhold military aid would not affect the ongoing campaign against militants in what appears to be deliberate attempt to play down the development.

“The army in the past as well as the present has conducted successful military operations using its own resources without any external support whatsoever,” military spokesman Major General Athar Abbas told AFP.

“It is unfair that the US is even holding back our reimbursements,” said a senior military official, referring to the fact that the United States government has not disbursed money from the Coalition Support Fund. He claimed the US owed Pakistan about $1 billion for services rendered during the previous fiscal year.

Yet despite the tensions, military sources say the two sides are making efforts to over their differences. US officials seem to concur with that view.

Nuland stressed Monday that “the United States continues to seek a constructive, collaborative, mutually beneficial relationship with Pakistan.”

India welcomes US aid freeze

India on Monday welcomed the United States’ decision to suspend $800
million worth of military aid to Pakistan.

“It is not desirable that this region had to be heavily armed by the US, which will upset the equilibrium in the region itself,” External Affairs Minister SM Krishna said, according to the Press Trust of India. “To that extent, India welcomes this step,” he said. India has generally accepted US aid for funding anti-terrorism operations in Pakistan, but has expressed concern in the past that the weapons could be turned against it.

“The US must take note of the fact that we are working in a very committed manner to normalise our relations with Pakistan,” Krishna told reporters in New Delhi. (With additional reporting by AFP)

http://tribune.com.pk/story/207812/...nted-permanent-presence-on-pakistan-airbases/
 
There is nothing permanent.

With regard to such bases, the term permanence refers more to the freedom of operation than to the duration of occupation.

In my opinion, the US already had permanent bases since the times of Zia.
 
That is Pakistan’s sovereign right to refuse US a permanent bases…so far so good; however, if in future any terrorist activity that is emanating from Pakistan is solely the Pakistan’s responsibility. Pakistan cannot escape by giving excuses. Any deviation from this could invite international sanctions and have serious repercussions for Pakistan
 
The "US wanting permanent presence" is clearly a spin from the proganda machine working overtime. There has been no such statement from US officials. However, this "unnamed source leak" is quite well timed to change the narrative on its head and divert from the real focus of the US aid suspension. Clearly Pakistani Army propaganda machine will win this one too. Once again!
 
The "US wanting permanent presence" is clearly a spin from the proganda machine working overtime. There has been no such statement from US officials. However, this "unnamed source leak" is quite well timed to change the narrative on its head and divert from the real focus of the US aid suspension. Clearly Pakistani Army propaganda machine will win this one too. Once again!

Everything what the US says is Gospel, while everything coming from Pakistan's side is propaganda. :lol:
 
Pak Military has seen lot of faces of US and their policies and now they are getting matured and refusing their wishes...........US policy makers think that they own the whole world and wherever they want can do any thing what they want.
 
Everything what the US says is Gospel, while everything coming from Pakistan's side is propaganda. :lol:

What u say is true but we can't have two seperate yardsticks u know, in recent threads lot of senior members here have posted that whenever there are reports naming unnamed official or some unrevealed source etc etc the news is bound to be false propoganda. Ofcourse this was mentioned when the NYT article was brought to discussion and some other accusations made by USA on Pakistan. So going by that can we say the same for this news, well u have to decide it.
 
Everything what the US says is Gospel, while everything coming from Pakistan's side is propaganda. :lol:

Matter of perspective I guess. I was rather referring to the mortals, because US has a clear statement for all to see and hear while for the spin, it is always, "unnamed sources for security reasons". I think that seeing thru the bullshyt is more a matter of the conditioning and wishing the news. Quite simple really.
 
ISLAMABAD:
The US decision to suspend approximately $800 million in aid to Pakistan is ‘punishment’ for Islamabad’s refusal to accept Washington’s demands seeking a permanent presence of American military personnel in all airbases of the country, according to military and intelligence officials.



The Pakistani military not only rejected the idea but also decided to expel all US military trainers in the country in retaliation for the May 2 raid on Abbottabad that killed al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden.

The move, officials said, annoyed the Obama administration so much that it threatened to take a series of ‘punitive’ measures, including the suspension of aid in an effort to pursue Pakistan to reverse the decision.

Washington had asked Islamabad to agree to certain conditions following the Bin Laden debacle. Among other requests, the US administration was pushing for the right to maintain a permanent presence of its military officials on all airbases in Pakistan, even after the complete withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan in 2014.

“They (Americans) want us to allow a certain number of uniformed officials on all airbases of the country,” said one security official, who requested not to be named since he was not authorised to speak on the subject.

However, the official would not give the exact number of military personnel the US was seeking to maintain permanently in Pakistan.
“The demand was resisted and rejected as it was too intrusive,” said another official. “The Bin Laden episode has provided us the opportunity to overcome our shortcomings.”

The US government, for its part, confirmed that demands were made, though it did not specify what those demands were.

“When it comes to our military assistance, we’re not prepared to continue providing that at the pace that we were providing it unless and until we see certain steps taken,” said US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland, defending the US decision to suspend military aid to Pakistan.

Sources said the security establishment had now realised just how freely the United States had been able to operate inside Pakistan before the May 2 incident and was keen on reducing it.

“The CIA has been able to penetrate too deep and there are even fears that it could make inroads into the country’s security establishment if steps are not taken to scale back their activities,” commented a military official.

He confirmed that, in the wake of Abbottabad raid, the security establishment had not only expelled US military trainers but also made efforts to ‘plug loopholes in our visa policy for American visitors.’
“We will not allow the kind of freedom under which the American officials and operatives were operating in the country,” the official said.

The US State Department spokesperson confirmed the new restrictions. She recalled that on May 25, Islamabad demanded that about 100 US advisers leave Pakistani soil, effectively halting military training, adding “we obviously can’t do that in an environment where Pakistan has asked our trainers to go.”

However, Pakistani military officials insisted that the US decision to withhold military aid would not affect the ongoing campaign against militants in what appears to be deliberate attempt to play down the development.

“The army in the past as well as the present has conducted successful military operations using its own resources without any external support whatsoever,” military spokesman Major General Athar Abbas told AFP.

“It is unfair that the US is even holding back our reimbursements,” said a senior military official, referring to the fact that the United States government has not disbursed money from the Coalition Support Fund. He claimed the US owed Pakistan about $1 billion for services rendered during the previous fiscal year.

Yet despite the tensions, military sources say the two sides are making efforts to over their differences. US officials seem to concur with that view.

Nuland stressed Monday that “the United States continues to seek a constructive, collaborative, mutually beneficial relationship with Pakistan.”

India welcomes US aid freeze

India on Monday welcomed the United States’ decision to suspend $800
million worth of military aid to Pakistan.

“It is not desirable that this region had to be heavily armed by the US, which will upset the equilibrium in the region itself,” External Affairs Minister SM Krishna said, according to the Press Trust of India. “To that extent, India welcomes this step,” he said. India has generally accepted US aid for funding anti-terrorism operations in Pakistan, but has expressed concern in the past that the weapons could be turned against it.

“The US must take note of the fact that we are working in a very committed manner to normalise our relations with Pakistan,” Krishna told reporters in New Delhi. (With additional reporting by AFP)

Interpreting the fallout:

Not a moment to soon. We should not give them an inch if they continue with their propaganda and hurting paks interests
 
Actual pain came after suspension of military trainers/spies, strict Visa policy, limited activities allowed on Shamsi air base where CIA now operating drones from Afghanistan, public & political demand for complete suspension of US officials from Shamsi airbase, successful PA operations against militants in tribal areas where these militants were strategic asset for anti-Pakistan forces.

US also could be called as anti-Pakistan.

This is history that US never helped Pakistan when he want to stand and never acted as fair, good ally but ever tried to creates troubles in form of support and partnership. Now Pakistan launched massive operation and this is right time when Pakistan need for military equipment support but Pakistan received nothing but hurdles from his untrusted ally.
 
That is Pakistan’s sovereign right to refuse US a permanent bases…so far so good; however, if in future any terrorist activity that is emanating from Pakistan is solely the Pakistan’s responsibility. Pakistan cannot escape by giving excuses. Any deviation from this could invite international sanctions and have serious repercussions for Pakistan

Yes, that's Pakistan's Achilles Heel: Some crazy fanatic going solo and hurting innocent people and 'Pakistan' gets blamed for that. However, blaming the country 'solely' would be most unfair. This is like blaming 'Pakistan' for the assassination of Taseer, Bhatti, Benazir and countless others who have taken stand against the damned fanatics.

Other countries are welcome--and even encouraged to take whatever steps to ensure no fanatic sneak into them. Be aware of the incidents of terrorism happening Europe since 9/11--some of them could have happened with 'local' elements. The core of even 9/11 planning and execution was done by the fanatics in Europe and USA.

In the end, however, there is no crushing a hateful ideology like Al-Qaida unless through peace and justice in the middle. Short of that, we will continue to feel threatened and insecure despite increasing security measures.
 
Why don't you guys keep bases on contractual basIs with the USA? That way it will be a fair deal rather than giving word of mouth that is changeable everyday.
 

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