US vs Iran - Most Expensive Military Game in History

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

In reality who would win a War between Iran and US? Let's do a real-world war game

Note - I do not support Iran-US war

 

[Sineva]

In reality who would win a War between Iran and US? Let's do a real-world war game

Note - I do not support Iran-US war

Ahh...,millennium challenge.
“Sir, Van Riper just slimed all of the ships.”

 

[LeGenD]

Propaganda to fool the gullible.

 

[Sineva]

Propaganda to fool the gullible.

Actually the millennium challenge is a very well known and highly embarrassing war game,not to mention very,very expensive at 250 million dollars,that degenerated almost to the level of a farce.So I`m sorry to disappoint you but its not propaganda,far from it in fact.
https://warontherocks.com/2015/11/m...a-corrupted-military-exercise-and-its-legacy/

 

[Stryker1982]

Actually the millennium challenge is a very well known and highly embarrassing war game,not to mention very,very expensive at 250 million dollars,that degenerated almost to the level of a farce.So I`m sorry to disappoint you but its not propaganda,far from it in fact.
https://warontherocks.com/2015/11/m...a-corrupted-military-exercise-and-its-legacy/

He's just upset it wasn't a total U.S victory, but instead a highly costly war

 

[LeGenD]

He's just upset it wasn't a total U.S victory, but instead a highly costly war

Simulations are 'programmed' events; not reality.

Remember Operation Praying Mantis? It was real.

Actually the millennium challenge is a very well known and highly embarrassing war game,not to mention very,very expensive at 250 million dollars,that degenerated almost to the level of a farce.So I`m sorry to disappoint you but its not propaganda,far from it in fact.
https://warontherocks.com/2015/11/m...a-corrupted-military-exercise-and-its-legacy/

I am aware, and had a lengthy discussion about this matter in this thread: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/we-c...er-irgc-commander.568293/page-8#post-10706783

Reality is much different from a simulation played by Americans.

 

[TheImmortal]

Who cares it’s severely outdated by now. Both sides have developed significantly since then, especially in case of Iran.

It’s like comparing a war game simulation from WWI to what Germany would do against the allies in WW2.

Let it go and stop bringing it up.

 

[Sineva]

Simulations are 'programmed' events; not reality.

Remember Operation Praying Mantis? It was real.

LOL!!
You`re seriously trying to compare the capabilities of irans exhausted remnants of its pahlavi era naval forces at the end of the iran-iraq war with the sort of naval and area denial capabilities iran has in 2018?,good one,I needed a laugh.
Do you know that back then iran had only 3 ashcms in service,the us harpoon,the Chinese silkworm,a chinese knock off of the old soviet styx,and the italian sea killer.Only the silkworm was land based and that was from fixed sites,oh and iran manufactured none of these locally or had any indigenously designed antiship weapons.Now compare that to today and the huge numbers of multiple types of mobile antiship weapon systems,both locally produced and indigenously designed/redesigned,that iran deploys,its not much of a comparison is it?
Back in 1988 an iranian threat to close the strait of hormuz and seal off the persian gulf just wasnt credible......today in 2018 however,its a veeerry different story indeed.

Heres a picture from 2013 of one of irans few land based ashcm sites at kouhestak back in 1988,pretty much abandoned now of course,but just looking at it shows how limited it was.By comparison one mobile tel with a 3 shot launcher and integrated radar has almost as much offensive capability,and much better survivability,as this entire site.

Simulations are 'programmed' events; not reality.

Remember Operation Praying Mantis? It was real.


I am aware, and had a lengthy discussion about this matter in this thread: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/we-c...er-irgc-commander.568293/page-8#post-10706783

Reality is much different from a simulation played by Americans.

Actually,the WHOLE POINT of this simulation was that it DIDNT follow a script ie it was intended to be as POTENTIALLY AS REALISTIC AS POSSIBLE,which included the very real possibility of the enemy doing unexpected things,such as for instance attacking the carrier group the minute it entered the strait of hormuz without waiting for any declarations of war to be announced.
Now,after this however,the whole tone of the exercise changed with the opfor forces now having to follow a set script in which they acted like the bad guys in a tom clancy novel,ie idiots,and were easily beaten,which frankly defeated the WHOLE POINT of the exercise in the first fvcking place.
About the only thing missing was this theme song....[you know the one]

PHUCK YEAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!,`MURICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[LeGenD]

LOL!!
You`re seriously trying to compare the capabilities of irans exhausted remnants of its pahlavi era naval forces at the ed of the iran-iraq war

Do you think that Iraq could challenge and degrade Iranian naval capability at any point? Iraq never had a credible naval capability to begin with. Therefore, your argument of Iranian naval capability being an EXHAUSTED REMNANTS by 1988 is this: EXCUSE.

"On April 14, 1988, while on patrol in the Central Persian Gulf, the U.S. frigate Samuel B. Roberts struck an Iranian mine, blowing a massive hole in its hull and breaking its keel. If it wasn’t for the heroic efforts of its crew,
the ship would have been lost. In retaliation, the U.S. launched Operation Praying Mantis four days later, destroying
two Iranian oil terminals, sinking the Iranian corvette Sahand, the missile patrol boat Joshan and severely damaging a second corvette Sabalan. It was a devastating loss for the IRIN and Iran as a whole. The battle clearly illuminated the IRIN’s deficiencies in conducting conventional warfare at sea against a capable opponent. The Iran-Iraq War, including the Tanker War, would end only a few months following Operation Praying Mantis, but the engagement would leave an impression on Iran’s military leaders and shaped Iran’s naval forces in the decades that followed." - Office of Naval Intelligence (IRAN; 2017)

Notice the sentence: "IRIN's deficiencies in conducting conventional warfare at sea against a capable opponent."

CAPABLE OPPONENT being the KEY TERM.

And USN did not commit a huge naval force to degrade Iranian naval capability back in 1988; just one Strike Group took part in Operation Praying Mantis. And USN had its own share of shortcomings at the time:

"The Americans were woefully unprepared at first, lacking minehunting gear and effective self-defense systems against anti-ship missiles—and neglecting close coordination with the Iraqis. The latter oversight resulted in an Iraqi jet accidentally hitting the American frigate USS Stark with a missile in May 1986, killing 37 sailors.

But American methods improved. The Navy converted two oil-service barges into “sea bases” for Special Operations Forces and armed helicopters, and the Army placed attack copters aboard Navy ships. On Sept. 21, Army Little Bird helicopters from the famed 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment—the “Nightstalkers”—attacked the Iranian vessel Ajr as she laid mines, forcing the crew to abandon ship.

A few days later, Little Birds approached three Iranian patrol boats suspected of setting up a tanker attack. The boats opened fire and the copters hit back, sinking all three."

Source: https://warisboring.com/all-the-times-the-iranian-navy-got-its-***-kicked/

with the sort of naval and area denial capabilities iran has in 2018?,good one,I needed a laugh.

Yes, Iranian naval capabilities are noticeably better as of 2018, but you think that USN was/is sleeping?

"The result of which is an Iranian fleet that in 2017 is still composed mostly of designs from the 1960s, including survivors of the lopsided engagements with the Americans. It’s a fleet that stood little chance against the U.S. in 1987 and 1988—and is even more hopelessly outclassed today."

Source: https://warisboring.com/all-the-times-the-iranian-navy-got-its-***-kicked/

Do you know that back then iran had only 3 ashcms in service,the us harpoon,the Chinese silkworm,a chinese knock off of the old soviet styx,and the italian sea killer.Only the silkworm was land based and that was from fixed sites,oh and iran manufactured none of these locally or had any indigenously designed antiship weapons.Now compare that to today and the huge numbers of multiple types of mobile antiship weapon systems,both locally produced and indigenously designed/redesigned,that iran deploys,its not much of a comparison is it?
Back in 1988 an iranian threat to close the strait of hormuz and seal off the persian gulf just wasnt credible......today in 2018 however,its a veeerry different story indeed.

Heres a picture from 2013 of one of irans few land based ashcm sites at kouhestak back in 1988,pretty much abandoned now of course,but just looking at it shows how limited it was.By comparison one mobile tel with a 3 shot launcher and integrated radar has almost as much offensive capability,and much better survivability,as this entire site.

Actually,the WHOLE POINT of this simulation was that it DIDNT follow a script ie it was intended to be as POTENTIALLY AS REALISTIC AS POSSIBLE,which included the very real possibility of the enemy doing unexpected things,such as for instance attacking the carrier group the minute it entered the strait of hormuz without waiting for any declarations of war to be announced.
Now,after this however,the whole tone of the exercise changed with the opfor forces now having to follow a set script in which they acted like the bad guys in a tom clancy novel,ie idiots,and were easily beaten,which frankly defeated the WHOLE POINT of the exercise in the first fvcking place.
About the only thing missing was this theme song....[you know the one]

PHUCK YEAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!,`MURICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pity your naivety and mindset.

Silent Hammer (2004) was a much more realistic exercise in comparison: https://www.public.navy.mil/subfor/underseawarfaremagazine/Issues/Archives/issue_25/hammer.htm

Forget even that.

USN [now] pack credible defenses against sea-skimming cruise missiles and even ASBM; numerous live-fire experiments conducted to validate these capabilities, and these capabilities were actually put to the test in real-time near Yemeni shores in 2016 (Chinese C-802 ASCM also flopped). Not just these developments, but USN have developed counters* to Iranian 'swarm attack' strategy.

*Some pointers:

[1] http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/8052/a-10-warthogs-practice-blasting-swarms-of-small-boats
[2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-navy-iran-commentary-idUSKCN1151SB

At the least, try to understand how capable USN is on the whole through basic searching, and how it chooses to fight (history). Do not restrict your worldview to a single botched simulation in 2002; grave error.

Let me refresh your memory: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/...er-iran-threat-to-close-strait-of-hormuz.html

American response: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...allow-hormuz-disruption-idUSTRE7BR09E20111228

Who backed out from the threats to CLOSE the straight of Hormuz in 2011? Here: IRAN

And: https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/05/05/irans-hollow-threats-to-close-the-strait-of-hormuz/

You heard that right. HOLLOW is the word.

 

[Sina-1]

Do you think that Iraq could challenge and degrade Iranian naval capability at any point? Iraq never had a credible naval capability to begin with. Therefore, your argument of Iranian naval capability being an EXHAUSTED REMNANTS by 1988 is this: EXCUSE.

"On April 14, 1988, while on patrol in the Central Persian Gulf, the U.S. frigate Samuel B. Roberts struck an Iranian mine, blowing a massive hole in its hull and breaking its keel. If it wasn’t for the heroic efforts of its crew,
the ship would have been lost. In retaliation, the U.S. launched Operation Praying Mantis four days later, destroying
two Iranian oil terminals, sinking the Iranian corvette Sahand, the missile patrol boat Joshan and severely damaging a second corvette Sabalan. It was a devastating loss for the IRIN and Iran as a whole. The battle clearly illuminated the IRIN’s deficiencies in conducting conventional warfare at sea against a capable opponent. The Iran-Iraq War, including the Tanker War, would end only a few months following Operation Praying Mantis, but the engagement would leave an impression on Iran’s military leaders and shaped Iran’s naval forces in the decades that followed." - Office of Naval Intelligence (IRAN; 2017)

Notice the sentence: "IRIN's deficiencies in conducting conventional warfare at sea against a capable opponent."

CAPABLE OPPONENT being the KEY TERM.

And USN did not commit a huge naval force to degrade Iranian naval capability back in 1988; just one Strike Group took part in Operation Praying Mantis. And USN had its own share of shortcomings at the time:

"The Americans were woefully unprepared at first, lacking minehunting gear and effective self-defense systems against anti-ship missiles—and neglecting close coordination with the Iraqis. The latter oversight resulted in an Iraqi jet accidentally hitting the American frigate USS Stark with a missile in May 1986, killing 37 sailors.

But American methods improved. The Navy converted two oil-service barges into “sea bases” for Special Operations Forces and armed helicopters, and the Army placed attack copters aboard Navy ships. On Sept. 21, Army Little Bird helicopters from the famed 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment—the “Nightstalkers”—attacked the Iranian vessel Ajr as she laid mines, forcing the crew to abandon ship.

A few days later, Little Birds approached three Iranian patrol boats suspected of setting up a tanker attack. The boats opened fire and the copters hit back, sinking all three."

Source: https://warisboring.com/all-the-times-the-iranian-navy-got-its-***-kicked/

Yes, Iranian naval capabilities are better as of 2018, but you think that USN was/is sleeping?

"The result of which is an Iranian fleet that in 2017 is still composed mostly of designs from the 1960s, including survivors of the lopsided engagements with the Americans. It’s a fleet that stood little chance against the U.S. in 1987 and 1988—and is even more hopelessly outclassed today."

Source: https://warisboring.com/all-the-times-the-iranian-navy-got-its-***-kicked/


LMAO

Thanks for making me laugh; I needed one.


The simulation in question, is not reality, so get over it.

Silent Hammer (2004) was a much more realistic exercise in comparison: https://www.public.navy.mil/subfor/underseawarfaremagazine/Issues/Archives/issue_25/hammer.htm

Forget even that.

USN [now] pack credible defenses against sea-skimming cruise missiles and even ASBM; numerous live-fire experiments conducted to validate these capabilities, and these capabilities were actually put to the test in real-time near Yemeni shores in 2016 (Chinese C-802 ASCM also flopped). Not just these developments, but USN have developed counters* to Iranian 'swarm attack' strategy.

*Some pointers:

[1] http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/8052/a-10-warthogs-practice-blasting-swarms-of-small-boats
[2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-navy-iran-commentary-idUSKCN1151SB

At the least, try to understand how capable USN is on the whole through basic searching, and how it chooses to fight (history). Do not restrict your worldview to a single botched simulation in 2002; grave error.


Pity your naivety and mindset.

Let me refresh your memory: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/...er-iran-threat-to-close-strait-of-hormuz.html

American response: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...allow-hormuz-disruption-idUSTRE7BR09E20111228

Who backed out from the threats to CLOSE the straight of Hormuz in 2011? Here: IRAN

And: https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/05/05/irans-hollow-threats-to-close-the-strait-of-hormuz/

You heard that right. HOLLOW is the word.

Out of interest, are you Pakistani national or Pakistani-American? Im confused by your flags.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Out of interest, are you Pakistani national or Pakistani-American? Im confused by your flags.

Not that I particularly like you Iranians, but he is like super on Amreeki nuts.

 

[LeGenD]

Out of interest, are you Pakistani national or Pakistani-American? Im confused by your flags.

Friend,

Rationality is important; nationality is not. I just happen to do some homework (profession thing). I do have relatives in the US and also in the military. Will not say more.

Not that I particularly like you Iranians, but he is like super on Amreeki nuts.

Aap US mein rehtay hain actually. Actions >

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Propaganda to fool the gullible.

You are a "LeGenD" in your own mind!!!

 

[Vortex]

they are living in a lalaloopsy world !

@LeGenD you cannot change their mind, they are victims of propaganda.

 

[Kastor]

Out of interest, are you Pakistani national or Pakistani-American? Im confused by your flags.

Probably neither, lot's of false identities on this forum, you never know who you're talking to.