US Report: China's Nukes Getting Bigger and Better

[Keel]

After the 1989, the US didn't go after us because they still perceived us as poor and weak although China is communist.

They didn't realize that we have so much potential, and they believed that we are suitable to serve as a sweatshop by providing them the cheap slave labor.

So now the US must be felt very regretful by treating us as a cheap sweatshop.

They will not be regretful.
20-30 years ago where they can find a place like China which possessed all the favourable conditions for manufacturing?

They did not treat us nicely out of mercy
They have gained immensely by
1. keeping their inflation low during their financial crisis
2. outsoucing from us products which involve highly polluted industries on the cheap
3. making huge corporation profits in America as well as in China

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

They will not be regretful.
20-30 years ago where they can find a place like China which possessed all the favourable conditions for manufacturing?

They did not treat us nicely out of mercy
They have gained immensely by
1. keeping their inflation low during their financial crisis
2. outsoucing from us products which involve highly polluted industries on the cheap
3. making huge corporation profits in America as well as in China

But one thing has undone all the benefits above: Greed.

 

[Keel]

But one thing has undone all the benefits above: Greed.

NYSE - Fortune 500

 

[bolo]

Sometimes we think that the Chinese who live in the oversea like us should stop talking about China's military progression in an English based forum.
Because these are the issues that truly get on the nerve of the US, which is not good for us.
In fact, the US doesn't really give a rat a$$ about the ISIS or Russia's annexation of Crimea, and the true boogeyman for them is China's growing power in both economy and military.

I think it's best Chinese members should not post too many sensitive Chinese military on PDF or other English sites. Especially new breakthrough in development etc, leaked photos.

Yes it's probably there in Chinese DF but let them search it if they can read Hanzi.


@cnleio @Beast @aliaselin

 

[bolo]

Bingo
Why wont they be scared when they look around their Ivy league schools, the Intel Science Challenge ..etc and still there are tons of scientists and engineers working hard in our own labs and universities
That is why they are also waging harder wars on the fringe, on ideologies - in our peripheral areas!

Since you are Chinese let me tell you a secret about westerners. Westerners like to classify people/things in groups. Ie. Asians, Europeans, etc...and more so in ideology than any other group.

If you have these traits, you are deemed a liberal, right winger, etc...which is totally BS

The one who is going to win will be the most pragmatic and continue developing based on ones national interest and not for the the benefit of the other side.

The west' best weapons to dominate China is their culture and religion as those are the only ways they can have a chance to beat China. Actual war scenario is out of the question.

 

[Aepsilons]

I can't help but be astonished at the followers of radical components of social identity theory and inclusive fitness theory.

 

[SvenSvensonov]

I can't help but be astonished at the followers of radical components of social identity theory and inclusive fitness theory.

Nuclear weapons and Social Identity Theory are a match made in hell. It seems that the gaining of Nuclear weapons has become part of the national identity for several Asian nations, even though we in the US are rather ambivalent to them. It's not so much the inclusion into the Nuclear Powers Club, but rather an inclusion into the same discussion and position as the US. Still, I find the pursuit to be wasteful and with all good graces these systems will have no real use beyond a perceived deterrence. Other than that nuclear weapons help sooth a wounded ego.

I wouldn't necessarily call the pursuit of nuclear weapons radical from a national identity perspective, they've always been a part of the "big boy club" and a necessity for a bit more respect then one's peers, but the focus on them is reaching the point of zealotry.

P.S. - I like that there is more than just one person on PDF who feels that psychology is relevant to many of the discussions that propagate here. I must offer my thanks to you for that.

 

[Aepsilons]

Nuclear weapons and Social Identity Theory are a match made in hell. It seems that the gaining of Nuclear weapons has become part of the national identity for several Asian nations, even though we in the US are rather ambivalent to them. It's not so much the inclusion into the Nuclear Powers Club, but rather an inclusion into the same discussion and position as the US. Still, I find the pursuit to be wasteful as with all good graces these systems will have no real use beyond a perceived deterrence. Other than that nuclear weapons help sooth a wounded ego.

Precisely said, my good and esteemed Sir. These talks of nuclear weapons and hypothetical strikes is unjustified and ludicrous. As if other powers would survive the armageddon that would result if the United States was provoked to unleash its unquantified power. The United States has the capacity to glass the entire world 10 times over. We are talking about the extinction of the entire human race, and the evisceration of most living life in this world.

Since we, fellow human beings, love to experience the 5 (traditional) senses, nuclear war remains a figment of imagination. We all love the taste of coca cola on our lips, the consistency and flavor of a 16 oz medium rare New York Strip Steak, the sound of bands playing in at Coachella, the sight of Christmas lights and colors during Christmas/ Holiday Season....and thus, we will remain alive, realistic.

 

[Levina]

TAIPEI, TAIWAN — A new congressional-funded report paints a dark picture of China’s nuclear weapons and missile modernization efforts.

The report, issued Nov. 19, by the US China Economic and Security Review Commission, states China will pose a threat to all US military forces, bases and assets in the Western Pacific within the next 10 years.

China will also be able to attack US national security satellites in a variety of ways — kinetic, laser, electronic jamming and seizing. According to the report, China’s capabilities will hold at risk all US national security satellites in every orbital regime in the next five- to 10 years. “In space, China in 2014 continued to pursue a broad counter-space program to challenge U.S. information superiority in a conflict and disrupt or destroy U.S. satellites if necessary.”

Beijing also calculates its space warfare capabilities will enhance its strategic deterrent as well as allow China to coerce the US and others “into not interfering with China militarily.”

The report said China’s growing nuclear warfare capabilities are ominous. Over the next five years, China’s nuclear force will rapidly expand and modernize, providing China with an extensive range of military and foreign policy options and “potentially weakening U.S. extended deterrence, particularly with respect to Japan.’

Over the next three- to five years, China’s nuclear program will also become more lethal and survivable with the fielding of additional road-mobile nuclear missiles; five nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines, each of which can carry 12 sea-launched intercontinental-range ballistic missiles (ICBM); and ICBMs armed with multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles (MIRV).

In 2013 the Pentagon reported that China’s nuclear arsenal consisted of only 50- to 75 ICBMs, with the number of ICBMs capable of reaching the United States could expand to more than 100 within the next 15 years. However, the report said some analysts assess China may be obscuring a much larger nuclear effort and have much larger stockpiles.

China’s growing sea-based nuclear deterrent began in 2007 with the commissioning of three Jin-class ballistic missile submarines (SSBN) and the expected introduction of two additional SSBNs by 2020.

The Jin’s SSBN’s JL–2 submarine-launched ballistic missile, appears to have reached initial operational capability, “giving China its first credible sea-based nuclear deterrent.” The JL–2’s range of 4,598 miles gives China the ability to “conduct nuclear strikes against Alaska if launched from waters near China; against Alaska and Hawaii if launched from waters south of Japan; against Alaska, Hawaii, and the western portion of the continental United States if launched from waters west of Hawaii; and against all 50 U.S. states if launched from waters east of Hawaii.”

Besides submarines, the major concern in the report is China’s proliferation of road-mobile nuclear-capable ballistic missiles, such as the DF-31. In 2006, China deployed the DF–31 ICBMs and, in 2007, the more advanced DF–31A ICBMs. Road-mobile systems allow for faster launch times and make them difficult to locate and attack. “The DF–31A has a maximum range of at least 6,959 miles, allowing it to target most of the continental United States.”

China is testing a new road-mobile ICBM, the DF–41. The DF–41, which could be deployed in 2015, could carry 10 MIRVs and have a range of 7,456 miles, “allowing it to target the entire continental United States.” China might have modified the DF–5 and the DF–31A to carry MIRVs. “China could use MIRVs to deliver nuclear warheads on major U.S. cities and military facilities as a means of overwhelming U.S. ballistic missile defenses.”

The report cites a Chinese media depiction of the potential destructive effect of a MIRV-capable ICBM on Los Angeles. The article, “China Has Undersea Strategic Nuclear Deterrent Against United State for the First Time,” appeared in the Global Times on Oct. 13, 2013.

The author, Pei Shen, included a map of Los Angeles under nuclear attack by a JL-2. “After a nuclear missile strikes a city, the radioactive dust produced by 20 warheads will be spread by the wind, forming a contaminated area for thousands of kilometers.”

The article notes that the survival probability for people outdoors in a 746 to 870 mile radius was zero. “Based on the actual level of China’s one million tons TNT equivalent small nuclear warhead technology, the 12 JL–2 nuclear missiles carried by one JIN nuclear submarine could cause the destruction of five million to 12 million people, forming a very clear deterrent effect.”

Noting that there was not a “dense population” in the Midwest region, the best way to increase the destructive effect was to target the main cities on the West Coast, such as Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and San Diego.

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I'm not surprised that China has taken nuclear arms race seriously. It all began with United States withdrewing from the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty and when it signed the famous Moscow Treaty. It finalized a new Nuclear Posture Review (NPR)and also pushed ahead with plans for a national missile defense, culminating in then President Bush’s announcement that the United States would deploy a rudimentary system in 2004.
Now each of these decisions signaled that the American administration was rethinking the role of nuclear weapons in its broader strategic policies. In short Bush administration had encouraged China to rethink its own approach to nuclear weapons, potentially diminishing its interest in international agreements and sparking an arms race.Back then China had just two dozen nuclear armed ICBMs capable of hitting the US and an official policy of not using nuclear weapons first in a conflict.... China’s nuclear posture was considerably weaker than the U.S. posture.And ergo China's urge to compete with US in nuclear arms...what began back then in 2002 has now come to fruition.
But what worries me is the chain reaction it'll lead to in South Asia.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I think it's best Chinese members should not post too many sensitive Chinese military on PDF or other English sites. Especially new breakthrough in development etc, leaked photos.

Yes it's probably there in Chinese DF but let them search it if they can read Hanzi.


@cnleio @Beast @aliaselin

Our big shrimps' professional military website has been attacked by the US hackers on a 24/7 basis. I have witnessed that they have shown the IP address of the attackers was located somewhere in South Carolina.

The professional military website is sponsored by CPC itself to promote China's military/technology strength.

Here is Xi Jinping meeting with one of the moderators from that military forum.

 

[TaiShang]

Nuclear weapons and Social Identity Theory are a match made in hell. It seems that the gaining of Nuclear weapons has become part of the national identity for several Asian nations, even though we in the US are rather ambivalent to them. It's not so much the inclusion into the Nuclear Powers Club, but rather an inclusion into the same discussion and position as the US. Still, I find the pursuit to be wasteful and with all good graces these systems will have no real use beyond a perceived deterrence. Other than that nuclear weapons help sooth a wounded ego.

I wouldn't necessarily call the pursuit of nuclear weapons radical from a national identity perspective, they've always been a part of the "big boy club" and a necessity for a bit more respect then one's peers, but the focus on them is reach the point of zealotry.

P.S. - I like that there is more than just one person on PDF who feels that psychology is relevant to many of the discussions that propagate here. I must offer my thanks to you for that.

Then get rid of your nukes in blink of an eye. That would be an excellent demonstration that you almost recovered from the wounded ego that is called the Pearl Harbor.

 

[TaiShang]

The United States has the capacity to glass the entire world 10 times over. We are talking about the extinction of the entire human race, and the evisceration of most living life in this world.

Then, as a Japanese national, you have more right than anybody here to ask the US to get rid of their nuclear arsenal and stop crafting horror stories on others' nuclear capabilities, my friend.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Then get rid of your nukes in blink of an eye. That would be an excellent demonstration that you almost recovered from the wounded ego that is called the Pearl Harbor.

Pearl Harbor is nothing, and the US has won back everything at the end.

We are not as idiotic as those Japanese militarists.

Just look at those right-wing militarists, they have learned nothing from their past.

 

[TaiShang]

Pearl Harbor is nothing, and the US has won back everything at the end.

We are not as idiotic as those Japanese militarists.

Just look at those right-wing militarists, they have learned nothing from their past.

Just do not like the scene of a person from a bloody imperialist country to lecture us on moral high grounds.

 

[SvenSvensonov]

Then, as a Japanese national, you have more right than anybody here to ask the US to get rid of their nuclear arsenal and stop crafting horror stories on others' nuclear capabilities, my friend.

And this is largely what I meant. For all you know I could have been talking about Myanmar, North Korea, Pakistan or India... all of whom have or at one point desired nuclear weapons. But when talking about East Asia and nukes, it's often construed as an attack on China.

I was talking about the region, not China in particular.

As for horror stories on the capabilities of others... I've done nothing of the sort and challenge you to find an instance of me doing so. Finally, the US has moved past the Pearl Harbor incident. We forgave, but never forgot... that analogy isn't working.