US making serious mistake in repeating Japan bashing on China, says economist

[Hamartia Antidote]

there were a TON, can't remember the names tho, the big lebowski？maybe.

That movie was in 1998.
LOL!! Tons and you can't name many...haha!!!!!!

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

That movie was in 1998.
LOL!! Tons and you can't name many...haha!!!!!!

yeah but...it's a 80s film in spirit..

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

yeah but...it's a 80s film in spirit..

There were tons of anti-Chinese movies made in Russia last year...but I can't remember their names...

 

[nahtanbob]

seriously？there were tons of films which refer to the japanese as “japs”

I am a movie buff. I must have missed them. The only anti-Japanese movie I have seen was "Rising Sun" featuring Sean Connery/Wesley Snipes. The main villain was the White lawyer negotiating for Japanese firm

I have never watched anti-Japanese propaganda movies in the 1940s.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I am a movie buff. I must have missed them. The only anti-Japanese movie I have seen was "Rising Sun" featuring Sean Connery/Wesley Snipes. The main villain was the White lawyer negotiating for Japanese firm

I have never watched anti-Japanese propaganda movies in the 1940s.

You don’t even need to watch any movies in the 1940's. I’m sure the Bugs Bunny cartoons were about as bad as you can get. They certainly aren’t showing them to kids.

 

[OIO]

That's hardly the case because the Chinese government will take action. If China is a democratic country, well, they will die in that case.
The US has a complete monopoly on the IC industry. At the matter of fact, the whole world is behind the US, not just China and everybody who chose to test that getting all kind of sanction to lawsuits and buyback. In many countries that are supposed to be the US alliance, US companies buy the whole company to prevent competitions.
The core of everything is how to produce a chip, or rather how to do lithography and how small you can do it.
Everything else, CPU, mainboard, OS, Apps are secondary. You can design as much as you want, but you can not produce it, that's the US area. Maybe, Taiwan can have that ability too, but I'm not sure they have total control?

However, that's not mean China has nothing, heck, even North Korea has its own fab. In addition, China has a whole range of product namely Beidou satellites, supercomputer... so we know they can do it, just not as good as they should
There are two things in it: how small you can print a chip and how many you can produce. This is very much like USSR who measures steal production.
The US has 7nm technology in limited fabs, they can produce as much as they like using 14nm and up.
China has 20-14 nm technology in labs and university laboratory which can produce sample chip only; however, they can produce chip as much as they like using 90-65nm. (not sure about 65nm, but pretty sure about 90nm)

In the case of US sanction, China can do the following:
Ban rare earth, this will ensure chip prices to skyrocketed and normal people in China will have to buy local, not to mention there will be a total ban on foreign electronics.
Materialise the design of CPU, Mainboard, Compiler, OS, IDE ... everything should already in place from their supercomputer projects. Remember Loongson?
Industrialise their technology for 14-20nm -this will take around 4-5 years-
Spam chips under 90nm and 65nm so that their country can have IC to run pretty much everything besides gaming and 3D graphic, movie - special effect. Most day to day activities would not be affected.

The result is most of their system and cloud services will use their chip (Banking, Payment, E-Commerce, Telecommunication, Cloud-based office apps, Youtube, TikTok ... some small stuff...). They already have their supercomputer in place for planning: bridge, highway, dams.... so I would see no hiccup. Some gaming enthusiasts will have to try harder. The special effect will be dead or clumsy. Their phone will slow and will be used for e-commerce, chat, SMS, call ... no 3D gaming.
They are drafting laws and regulations for this.

14nm is ready, tech staffs from Taiwan province helped a lot.

 

[rott]

14nm is ready, tech staffs from Taiwan province helped a lot.

No wonder all these fake immigrant Americans are all butt hurt. They just move there and think they are Americans.

 

[Suika]

US making serious mistake in repeating Japan bashing on China, says economist

Source:Xinhua Published: 2019/5/29


The United States is making a "serious mistake" in bashing China, making others the scapegoat for its own economic problems the way it did to Japan three decades ago, said a leading US economist.

Comparing the US suppression of China to "a remake of a movie" in the 1980s, in which the United States wielded its big stick of tariffs against Japan by portraying it as the "greatest economic threat," Steven Roach, senior fellow at Yale University's Jackson Institute of Global Affairs, said in a recent article that "China bashing today is an outgrowth of America's increasingly insidious macroeconomic imbalances."

In the article posted on the Prague-based Project Syndicate website, Roach, also former chief economist at Morgan Stanley, recalled that back in the 1980s, Washington accused Japan of intellectual property theft, state-sponsored industrial policy and hollowing out of US manufacturing. "Thirty years later, Americans have made China the villain," said the article.

However, according to the economist, America's so-called trade problem was "very much of its own making," as the country has "little or no appreciation of the link between saving and trade imbalances."

With the net domestic saving rate in January 2017 at just 3 percent, the tax cuts by the current US administration widened the federal budget deficit, which more than offset the cyclical surge in private saving that normally accompanies a maturing economic expansion, the economist analyzed. "As a result, the net domestic saving rate actually edged down to 2.8 percent of national income by late 2018, keeping America's international balances deep in the red."

As regards the US trade deficit with China, which was typically cited by Washington as an excuse for the China bashing, Roach said that data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) and the World Trade Organization (WTO) suggest that about 35-40 percent of the bilateral US-China trade deficit reflects inputs made outside of China but assembled and shipped to the United States from China.

That means the made-in-China portion of today's US trade deficit is actually smaller than Japan's share of the 1980s, he noted.

Like the Japan bashing of the 1980s, today's outbreak of China bashing has been conveniently excised from US broader macroeconomic context. That is a serious mistake, he wrote.

Roach warned that without raising national saving, which is highly unlikely under the current US budget trajectory, trade will simply be shifted away from China to other trading partners of the United States.

"With this trade diversion likely to migrate to higher-cost platforms around the world, American consumers will be hit with the functional equivalent of a tax hike," he stressed.

According to Roach, the structural barrier to tackle the root cause of the US goods trade deficit is high, as "there is no US political constituency for reducing trade deficits by cutting budget deficits and thereby boosting domestic saving."

"America wants to have its cake and eat it, with a health-care system that swallows 18 percent of its GDP, defense spending that exceeds the combined sum of the world's next seven largest military budgets, and tax cuts that have reduced federal government revenue to 16.5 percent of GDP, well below the 17.4 percent average of the past 50 years." said the article.

"This remake of an old movie is disconcerting, to say the least. Once again, the US has found it far easier to bash others -- Japan then, China now -- than to live within its means," Roach wrote. "This time, however, the movie might have a very different ending."

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1152192.shtml

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Well, China is not Japan. Japan has killed US auto-monopoly. China is killing US internet/IC monopoly

Japan didn't steal military secrets. Japan went into negotiations for things like F-15 tech transfer. Japan also wasn't challenging US geopolitical interests. During the 80s and 90s was also when JMSDF and USN started joint training. That training has only deepened in the following years, particularly in last 5 years. I doubt the USN has started training with the PLAN.

So the differences of the situations in entirety should be considered. Clearly, US media against China in the past couple of years is fueled a lot by geopolitics (FONOPs, DPRK, Taiwan Strait, even on Venezuela) as well, not just trade.

 

[nahtanbob]

You don’t even need to watch any movies. I’m sure the Bugs Bunny cartoons were about as bad as you can get. They certainly aren’t showing them to kids.

we made some movies in the 1940s that we would not make now

 

[TaiShang]

No wonder all these fake immigrant Americans are all butt hurt. They just move there and think they are Americans.

Actually, they even do not need to move. For example, this Indian:

But, seriously, Japan bashing in the form of stereotyping and fear-mongering seems to be quite amazing by the US regime-friendly media and movie industry in the 70s and 80s. Only from the 90s onward, Japan seems to be deemed no longer a threat.

Currently, the game seems to be simple and well-understood:

Japan bends over to the US with pants down when it comes to political sovereignty.

In return, Japan takes the US as a mule for a free ride as long as the mule has some energy left. Once it hollows out, Japan will disembark the mule.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

But, seriously, Japan bashing in the form of stereotyping and fear-mongering seems to be quite amazing by the US regime-friendly media and movie industry in the 70s and 80s..

LOL! I'm disappointed with you..especially as a teacher.

As someone who was a teen in the 1980's there were no movies that I can think of back then or even in the 1970's that focused negatively on Japan..in fact the opposite is true.

Back to the Future 3. "..all the BEST stuff is made in Japan". Although in Back to the Future 2 he got fired by his Japanese boss...so maybe that offsets it.

..but I repeat..please name some other movies if you can...

However there were some high profile incidents that got them incredibly bad PR and put them smack on people's radar in 1989:
1) Rockefeller Center purchase.
2) Columbia Pictures purchase.
3) An American managed to acquire enough ownership of a Japanese company that it gave him the right to sit on their board. The Japanese company was indignant and locked doors and refused to allow him in. It was a huge fuss that damaged things. Trying to figure out who it is...I don't think it was Milken. T Bone Pickens maybe. (Edit I think this is it 1989 https://www.nytimes.com/1989/11/20/business/pickens-s-japanese-battle-becomes-a-trade-issue.html )

But by that time Japan Inc was doomed. Cable TV and MTS stereo broadcasts became commonplace. TV sets started incorporating decent stereo sound. Other than playing music Hi-Fi systems were also widely used to give TV broadcasts good stereo sound because the tinny sound coming out of mono/early stereo TV sets made movies and music videos sound CRAPPY. When good stereo speakers in TVs came out; people could now watch movies/MTV with nice sound from the TV's speakers...and that caused HiFi system sales to NOSEDIVE. The market was dominated by Japanese brands and thus a HUGE chunk of Japan's consumer electronics business went right out the window almost overnight. This is no small sum. A decent HiFi rack was well over $1,000 and EVERYBODY had one.

They never recovered from that and have been in the basement since the early 1990's.

In 2000ish when the Apple iPod was released another chunk of Japan's consumer electronics business was wiped out. Then smartphones with good quality cameras/video wiped out the remaining.

Other than TV's and Playstations what is Sony popular for these days...not much. Pioneer, Denon, Sharp, Sanyo, Onkyo, Kenwood, etc...not much either. That's a crazy amount of consumer electronics revenue lost.

 

[Suika]

Actually, they even do not need to move. For example, this Indian:

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But, seriously, Japan bashing in the form of stereotyping and fear-mongering seems to be quite amazing by the US regime-friendly media and movie industry in the 70s and 80s. Only from the 90s onward, Japan seems to be deemed no longer a threat.

Currently, the game seems to be simple and well-understood:

Japan bends over to the US with pants down when it comes to political sovereignty.

In return, Japan takes the US as a mule for a free ride as long as the mule has some energy left. Once it hollows out, Japan will disembark the mule.

Reported.

You are so desparate to dictate the narrative you want to be accepted.

In all fairness, once in a while, the US put forward fear mongering regarding trade. And during rhose times, relations with either China or Russia can be used as leverage for whenever the US may push to far.

But everything you say is not how things are but to get people to think in a way that would result in a withdrawal of US forces in Japan.

There's a more effective way in leading Japan to think it is OK to request to the US a reduction and perhaps even removal of US forces....

Cam you guess it?

Sure you can but it be against CCP policy, so you won't agree with it. So only way to not agree with it while at the same time keeping up this new narrative of yours about Japan is to just ignore it.

Can you guess it?


The Senkaku Islands knucklehead!

Recognize them as Japanese and big changes can happen. If not, only slow pace salami slicing is possible. But the Japanese right wing is strong enough to prevent the loss of the Senkaku islands from salami slicing.

There's something else that the PRC could do to lead Japan into thinking of requesting US forces to be reduced or removed.

What could that be?

Let Japanese Prime Minister pay respect at Yasukuni Shrine without objection!

Its been several years since the prime minster has visited Yasukuni Shrine. Ane each time, the PRC complains, lectures about "learn from history", and gets ROK to band wagon along.

But of course the PRC won't do those things.

You're stuck in a fake reality conjured up by obedience to a fretting CCP foreign policy.

 

[TaiShang]

I do not have the memory of the 70s or 80s. But, I have watched movies from the 80s and 90s. It is amazing how the narrative is constructed. Japan threat was one of the themes at the time, along with Russia, of course.

For instance, the Rising Sun has a number of Japan bashing and racist scenes, trying to build an image of Japan and also fear-mongering.

Similar stereotyping was rampant for Russians.

 

[Suika]

I do not have the memory of the 70s or 80s. But, I have watched movies from the 80s and 90s. It is amazing how the narrative is constructed. Japan threat was one of the themes at the time, along with Russia, of course.

For instance, the Rising Sun has a number of Japan bashing and racist scenes, trying to build an image of Japan and also fear-mongering.

Similar stereotyping was rampant for Russians.

There have been many American movies bashing the US government. How many Chinese movies dare bash their own government?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I do not have the memory of the 70s or 80s. But, I have watched movies from the 80s and 90s. It is amazing how the narrative is constructed. Japan threat was one of the themes at the time, along with Russia, of course.

For instance, the Rising Sun has a number of Japan bashing and racist scenes, trying to build an image of Japan and also fear-mongering.

Similar stereotyping was rampant for Russians.

Rising Sun was 1993. So not in the 70’s or 80’s and that was simply one of dozens of thriller movies made from a Michael Crichton book that was on the International Best Seller list. Many of his fiction works such as the Andromeda strain, Jurassic Park, Westworld, Twister, Sphere, Congo, Coma, etc. were made into movies/tv shows. It wasn’t political or some government scheming against Japan to generate fear mongering. His topics were all over the place.

Nobody is afraid to go to the zoo due to the fear of the dangerous high IQ apes from “Congo”. Or worried about Dinosaurs in the jungle. Nobody thinks “Rising Sun” is non-fiction. So much for fear mongering.