US’ Hong Kong law 'piece of waste paper' – China

[vi-va]

It's not like the US will win over China anyway even without HK.

And it's a bizarre thing to say that the CCP won a score in China. China is effectively a one-party state governed by the CCP, with or without the HK issue they are not going to get overthrown.

Your Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said we are similar regarding how to choose the leader and team to run the country. I think Singapore is one party as well, the other party is kind of dessert, they will not be main course.

if you don't have patience, start from 2:46

 

[Mista]

Your Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said we are similar regarding how to choose the leader and team to run the country. I think Singapore is one party as well, the other party is kind of dessert, they will not be main course.

if you don't have patience, start from 2:46

I watched that before many years ago.

How is that relevant again?

 

[vi-va]

I watched that before many years ago.

How is that relevant again?

It's relevant or not depends on your intention when saying things like below. It's because CCP has legitimacy of ruling nowadays in China not just because it's one-party state.

btw, the CCP "party" has little to do with party in western context. CCP is government system while the western party is electoral machine.

It's not like the US will win over China anyway even without HK.

And it's a bizarre thing to say that the CCP won a score in China. China is effectively a one-party state governed by the CCP, with or without the HK issue they are not going to get overthrown.

 

[Mista]

It's relevant or not depends on your intention when saying things like below. It's because CCP has legitimacy of ruling nowadays in China not just because it's one-party state.

No no, even without the HK issue they are not getting less legitimacy in the mainland nor will they get overthrown. There's only one and only legitimate government of the PRC, and that is the CCP.

So what's the relevance of showing me a video of my country, which has a different political structure in which how power is distributed? To show that Singapore and China are the 'same'?

 

[vi-va]

No no, even without the HK issue they are not getting less legitimacy in the mainland nor will they get overthrown. There's only one and only legitimate government of the PRC, and that is the CCP.

So what's the relevance of showing me a video of my country, which has a different political structure in which how power is distributed? To show that Singapore and China are the 'same'?

No one said it's the same, but has a lot of similarity. No one can challenge your government because your government will try everything they can to beat competitors. Chinese government did the same thing in different way.
Btw, the one who is trying to overthrown your government is CIA, that's why Singapore government bow to the west. Your government is smart enough, pretend to adopt a western political structure, but grab the power tightly. Singapore side with the west publicly, but getting closer and closer to China, India, so that you can balance the western influence.

 

[Mista]

No one can challenge your government

Lol no. The ruling party for example suffered consecutive electoral setbacks in 2011 and 2013 due to inadequate response to soaring housing prices. They had to ramp up housing supply, curb speculation, increased housing grants, and today our housing affordable again in our small city-state.

It's one example how the ruling party has to pay attention and respond to the people's needs.

Think whatever you want with your CIA conspiracies, but we are not HK or mainland China where you can only complain on the Internet about housing prices and the government is only concerned about making more land sales revenue in such a big country.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

If that’s the case, stop crying about it.

4 month curfew, 100,000 dead, 12000 women raped, thousands missing, thousands blinded & tortured, mass graves & threat of a nuclear war between 2 nuclear states.

US response:

Violent protestors in HK.

US response:

Fat fks to the rescue

People singing US National Anthem in Hong Kong in November

People booing Chinese National Anthem in Hong Kong in September


LOL!!! What a national embarrassment.

And 1 baseball player takes a knee and americans go retard?

 

[vi-va]

Lol no. The ruling party for example suffered consecutive electoral setbacks in 2011 and 2013 due to inadequate response to soaring housing prices. They had to ramp up housing supply, curb speculation, increased housing grants, and today our housing affordable again in our small city-state.

It's one example how the ruling party has to pay attention and respond to the people's needs.

Think whatever you want with your CIA conspiracies, but we are not HK or mainland China where you can only complain on the Internet about housing prices and the government is only concerned about making more land sales revenue in such a big country.

If the response to people's need is the legitimacy, than China government has more legitimacy above most of the countries base on KPI.
Of course you can say there are countries doing better, but I think China government is relatively better than most of the countries if you take what China was in 1949.
But I don't think response to people's need is the legitimacy, the mass is greedy and short sighted. A government legitimacy is base on how people satisfied with is so low and narrowed.
I don't want to elaborate too much. We(you and me) are built base on different philosophy and ideology. I have zero interest to push my idea, it won't work anyway. People chose to believe what they want to believe.
Only time can prove.

 

[Mista]

If the response to people's need is the legitimacy, than China government has more legitimacy above most of the countries base on KPI.
Of course you can say there are countries doing better, but I think China government is relatively better than most of the countries if you take what China was in 1949.
But I don't think response to people's need is the legitimacy, the mass is greedy and short sighted. A government legitimacy is base on how people satisfied with is so low and narrowed.
I don't want to elaborate too much. We(you and me) are built base on different philosophy and ideology. I have zero interest to push my idea, it won't work anyway. People chose to believe what they want to believe.
Only time can prove.

It doesn't matter what you believe in, whether you believe in the usual CIA bullshit or whether the CCP hit their KPIs.

The fact of the matter is that the CCP is the sole legitimate government of the PRC and it doesn't matter whether the Internet is pro-democracy or not, unless you're willing to spill blood.

 

[vi-va]

It doesn't matter what you believe in, whether you believe in the usual CIA bullshit or whether the CCP hit their KPIs.

The fact of the matter is that the CCP is the sole legitimate government of the PRC and it doesn't matter whether the Internet is pro-democracy or not, unless you're willing to spill blood.

It does matter. If all Chinese want US democracy, CCP will be in big trouble. But what US democracy can bring to us? Such as the collapse of USSR? or the starvation during USSR collapse? or dismemberment of China like USSR?

Chinese are no fools, not like HKers or Taiwanese.

Btw, what US political system demonstrate to us matters the most, if it works very well, we will like to learn from it, and absorb the merit. But US failed to demonstrate they have a better system, why should we copy? Isn't it stupid?

Actually Deng Xiaoping learn from Japan, South Korea, and Singapore during his visit in 1979. Chinese are eager to learn from other countries, but not the bull$hit US democracy.

 

[kankan326]

It does matter. If all Chinese want US democracy, CCP will be in big trouble. But what US democracy can bring to us? Such as the collapse of USSR? or the starvation during USSR collapse? or dismemberment of China like USSR?

Chinese are no fools, not like HKers or Taiwanese.

Btw, what US political system demonstrate to us matters the most, if it works very well, we will like to learn from it, and absorb the merit. But US failed to demonstrate they have a better system, why should we copy? Isn't it stupid?

Actually Deng Xiaoping learn from Japan, South Korea, and Singapore during his visit in 1979. Chinese are eager to learn from other countries, but not the bull$hit US democracy.

Agree. Even for US itself, democracy did much more harm than good. There are 3 reasons that led to US sucess: 1, war dividends(WW1 and WW2); 2, market economy; 3,natural endowments. There are also 3 factors that is weakening its super power status: 1, democracy; 2, capital domination; 3, migrants and multiculture

 

[Mista]

But what US democracy can bring to us? Such as the collapse of USSR? or the starvation during USSR collapse? or dismemberment of China like USSR?

Look, I'm no evangelistic American trying convert everyone to their beliefs. I'm not interested in seeing China to become a democracy, and frankly I don't believe democracy is suitable for the Chinese temperament as well. Every country has their own path to develop.

I'm simply pointing out that claiming the protests in HK is actually somehow a good thing for the CCP and China, is a spiteful talk by some members here.

Given a choice, the CCP and most Chinese would rather have no protests at all.

 

[vi-va]

Look, I'm no evangelistic American trying convert everyone to their beliefs. I'm not interested in seeing China to become a democracy, and frankly I don't believe democracy is suitable for the Chinese temperament as well. Every country has their own path to develop.

I'm simply pointing out that claiming the protests in HK is actually somehow a good thing for the CCP and China, is a spiteful talk by some members here.

Given a choice, the CCP and most Chinese would rather have no protests at all.

unavoidable, sooner or later. We made concession during the negotiation with UK in 1980s. The US and UK fully exploited it and during that time I think China made mistake, ignoring the deterioration and under estimated the fifth column+info war.
President Hu Jintao is weak positioned, his foreign policy did NOT support 180 turn on HK management, so keep deteriorating until President Xi.
It's good or bad, hard to judge for now.
Imo, it's a bad thing for current situation, but good thing for long run, and good things for overall 1.4 billions Chinese.
Those who has short memories, those who forgot how USSR collapsed and those who believe we can survive by keep doing what we did, they woke up.

 

[kankan326]

Look, I'm no evangelistic American trying convert everyone to their beliefs. I'm not interested in seeing China to become a democracy, and frankly I don't believe democracy is suitable for the Chinese temperament as well. Every country has their own path to develop.

I'm simply pointing out that claiming the protests in HK is actually somehow a good thing for the CCP and China, is a spiteful talk by some members here.

Given a choice, the CCP and most Chinese would rather have no protests at all.