US Chinooks over Karachi Today

[El Sidd]

is a very versatile platform that do many jobs.

it should really be lending a helping hand to the city marshals battling urban flooding in Paris von Südasien.

 

[VCheng]

it should really be lending a helping hand to the city marshals battling urban flooding in Paris von Südasien.

If it is needed, sure.

 

[El Sidd]

If it is needed, sure.

under good samaritan law, they are already convicts

 

[Bilal9]

On topic, three dual-rotor Chinooks have quite a soundtrack.

You should listen to the V-22 osprey tiltrotor sound track then, These things have wide blades and the sound (deep rumble) can shake windows even if they're flying at 5000 feet up. They fly around my neighborhood all the time. US now has heli regulations now - that say they can't fly too low.

 

[VCheng]

You should listen to the V-22 osprey tiltrotor sound track then, These things have wide blades and the sound (deep rumble) can shake windows even if they're flying at 5000 feet up. They fly around my neighborhood all the time. US now has heli regulations now - that say they can't fly too low.

I have, but this is not the "Ospreys over Karachi" thread.

 

[Bilal9]

The dual (tandem) rotor saga started right after WWII, almost every major aircraft manufacturer had a contender, even Yak in Russia.

In the US - USAF and USN put dual (tandem) rotor aircraft in use initially after WWII most commonly with the Flying Banana (Piasecki H-21) and Bell HSL.

Bell HSL (1953)

Piasecki H-21 (developed 1949)

Earlier version of the Chinook was the CH-46 Sea Knight that saw use after the Flying Banana. These dual rotor helis (CH46, CH47) are extremely versatile platforms, needing no tail rotor, and can be stored on aircraft carriers with rotor blades folded. CH-47's have wide usage. Bangladesh and Pakistan do not have any, though the Indian Air Force has them now.

Boeing CH-47 Chinook - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

CH-46 (early 1970s with colorful USN markings)

This is a slightly different SAR variant - the HH-46. Japan Ground Self-Defense Force also used it at one time, along with the CH-47 currently.

I have, but this is not the "Ospreys over Karachi" thread.

Please see above. I wonder if Pakistan AF has sought purchase of CH-46 or CH-47's at any time?

Compared to the MI-17 lift capability of 4 tons, the CH-47's can lift 10.5 tons (54 troops or 155mm Howitzers to points of conflict).

 

[TheDarkKnight]

The Indian lobby can try all it wants. USA will do whatever serves its national interests, as we can see with the continued channels of co-operation with Pakistan. As I have said all along, I am sure both countries will find a suitable path forward that serve both sides' national interest as well as possible.

I really hope Pak and US can have a reset after the conclusion of this Afghan war chapter. With US forces not present in Afg, and Taliban actually having the whole country, atleast from Pakistan’s perspective it wont be getting the heat for providing sanctuaries to Taliban, not doing more to kill Taliban, and getting rhetoric from a hostile govt in Afg etc. etc. If Pakistan can have reasonably beneficial and non confrontational relation with US, and shield these relations from India (which is following an isolate Pakistan strategy, eg how French are completely out) then that would be a success for Pakistan. From US perspective if Pakistan cooperates on moderating the Taliban and show the formation of an inclusive govt in Afg, then that would be a win for US and maybe Biden (Kamala?) could get a redemption before next elections.

 

[HAIDER]

The dual (tandem) rotor saga started right after WWII, almost every major aircraft manufacturer had a contender, even Yak in Russia.

In the US - USAF and USN put dual (tandem) rotor aircraft in use most commonly with the Flying Banana and Bell HSL.

Bell HSL (1953)

Piasecki H-21 (developed 1949)

Earlier version of the Chinook was the CH-46 Sea Knight that saw use after the Flying Banana. These dual rotor helis (CH46, CH47) are extremely versatile platforms, needing no tail rotor, and can be stored on aircraft carriers with rotor blades folded. CH-47's have wide usage. Bangladesh and Pakistan do not have any, though the Indian Air Force has them now.

Boeing CH-47 Chinook - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

CH-46 (early 1970s with colorful USN markings)

This is a slightly different SAR variant - the HH-46. Japan Ground Self-Defense Force also used it at one time, along with the CH-47 currently.

Please see above. I wonder if Pakistan AF has sought purchase of CH-46 or CH-47's at any time?

Compared to the MI-17 lift capability of 4 tons, the CH-47's can lift 10.5 tons (54 troops or 155mm Howitzers to points of conflict).

Isn't it Italian concept ...
Well Chinook made frequent visits in Pakistan ... Kashmir earthquake

 

[VCheng]

I really hope Pak and US can have a reset after the conclusion of this Afghan war chapter. With US forces not present in Afg, and Taliban actually having the whole country, atleast from Pakistan’s perspective it wont be getting the heat for providing sanctuaries to Taliban, not doing more to kill Taliban, and getting rhetoric from a hostile govt in Afg etc. etc. If Pakistan can have reasonably beneficial and non confrontational relation with US, and shield these relations from India (which is following an isolate Pakistan strategy, eg how French are completely out) then that would be a success for Pakistan. From US perspective if Pakistan cooperates on moderating the Taliban and show the formation of an inclusive govt in Afg, then that would be a win for US and maybe Biden (Kamala?) could get a redemption before next elections.

The next few months will give a better idea just how possible or successful such a rest might be.

 

[Bilal9]

Isn't it Italian concept ...
Well Chinook made frequent visits in Pakistan ... Kashmir earthquake

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No - Nikolay Florin (19 July 1891 (Batumi, Georgia, Russian Empire) – 21 January 1972 (Brussels, Belgium), was a Russian born engineer who settled in Belgium. He built the first tandem rotor helicopter in 1927 - a flying scale model and full size helicopter was built in 1933.

Nicolas Florine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[TheDarkKnight]

The next few months will give a better idea just how possible or successful such a rest might be.

Well I may be optimistic, but its not a bad start:

US refuses to endorse Ghani’s claim of Pakistan’s role

State Dept spokesperson says he is not in position to confirm reports of 10,000 to 15,000 Pakistanis joining Taliban forces.

www.dawn.com

 

[Microsoft]

The next few months will give a better idea just how possible or successful such a rest might be.

Then how do you explain pin drop silence about Pakistan in the US media? They all agree the Afghanistan withdrawal was a complete disaster and yet none of them are throwing Pakistan under the bus.
There are a few that mention Pakistan here and there but nothing is coming out officially. That shows the US still needs Pakistan for the next few months before the officials can officially start blaming Pakistan.

 

[VCheng]

Well I may be optimistic, but its not a bad start:

US refuses to endorse Ghani’s claim of Pakistan’s role

State Dept spokesperson says he is not in position to confirm reports of 10,000 to 15,000 Pakistanis joining Taliban forces.

www.dawn.com

Agreed.

 

[insight-out]

May be we asked for something more valuable than her release?

We?

 

[VCheng]

Then how do you explain pin drop silence about Pakistan in the US media? They all agree the Afghanistan withdrawal was a complete disaster and yet none of them are throwing Pakistan under the bus.
There are a few that mention Pakistan here and there but nothing is coming out officially. That shows the US still needs Pakistan for the next few months before the officials can officially start blaming Pakistan.

This is the same silence that is on the Pakistani side too: no more talk about bases, or airspace or anything ill-thought-out PMIK or his cronies have said in the past. Nobody here is throwing Pakistan under the bus because no one in Pakistan is being allowed to paint USA as the evil one. For now.

We?

Refers to the "they" referred in the post I replied to.