US becoming a creepy Control Freak. Nato Ally Hungary gets sanctioned too now

[vostok]

I notice you are conspicuously silent on the words of PM Orban, whom you have given great praise to in this thread, who not only does not even hint at any mythical American "occupation" of Europe you keep referring to, but who gives great praise to both the NATO alliance that Hungary is a part of as well as praise he gives to his Hungarian countrymen for voting to join the Alliance. Like I said, vostok, your views just crack me up. (It would personaly, just exhaust me to believe that the world was so engineered by American power and conspiracy and to have to constantly invent how that is even possible!). I think you will find the world is much more clear and less constant work, once you realize that conventional wisdom is conventional wisdom for a reason, i.e., the most economical answer is usually the right one about 95%+ of the time. IOW, America does not "occupy" Europe. That is a mythical and silly notion that Mr. Orban's words alone dismiss. By contrast, the Soviet Union most certainly did occupy Europe and sent tanks to crush any challenge of that harsh rule.

You had to be surprised and alarmed by the fact that it is Hungary became the leader of the informal anti-liberal wing in Europe. The same Hungary, which is more then other countries opposed to external ruling of the USSR. The same Hungary, whose soldiers fought against the Soviet Union in World War II with the tenacity and skill, second only to the German soldiers. The same Hungary that won the liberation revolution of 1848, but returned to Habsburgs forced by Russian Army. The same Hungary, which was the only country which has taken a weapon to rebel against Moscow over the 1945-1991 period.
Those values, which were looking for countries of Eastern Europe - they are no longer exist in Western Europe. No strong family, no patriotism for their country, no strong Christian church. Everything is uncertain, there is nothing left unshakable, for the sake of what it worth to die. West - now is not that West, which was coveted in the 20 ct.
No one has yet fighting against the American occupiers with arms - neither Germany nor Japan, nor all the other states that you occupied. But this moment will come. You will return to your far-away island. Maybe it would be better for you.

 

[Desertfalcon]

You had to be surprised and alarmed by the fact that it is Hungary became the leader of the informal anti-liberal wing in Europe. The same Hungary, which is more then other countries opposed to external ruling of the USSR. The same Hungary, whose soldiers fought against the Soviet Union in World War II with the tenacity and skill, second only to the German soldiers. The same Hungary that won the liberation revolution of 1848, but returned to Habsburgs forced by Russian Army. The same Hungary, which was the only country which has taken a weapon to rebel against Moscow over the 1945-1991 period.
Those values, which were looking for countries of Eastern Europe - they are no longer exist in Western Europe. No strong family, no patriotism for their country, no strong Christian church. Everything is uncertain, there is nothing left unshakable, for the sake of what it worth to die. West - now is not that West, which was coveted in the 20 ct.
No one has yet fighting against the American occupiers with arms - neither Germany nor Japan, nor all the other states that you occupied. But this moment will come. You will return to your far-away island. Maybe it would be better for you.

...and yet again, you are utterly silent on the words of PM Orban and his real assessment and beliefs of the NATO alliance compared to your mythical belief that it is just American "occupation". That is all one need know about your posts here.

NATO Secretary General Anders Rasmussen and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban

 

[vostok]

...and yet again, you are utterly silent on the words of PM Orban and his real assessment and beliefs of the NATO alliance compared to your mythical belief that it is just American "occupation". That is all one need know about your posts here.

NATO Secretary General Anders Rasmussen and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban

Do you think someone from the leaders of the occupied states claim that their country is occupied? Even if he suddenly say - he will be replaced very quickly. All Soviet satellites in one voice screams about the inviolability of the brotherhood of the peoples and the eternal socialist unity. However, if the hegemon start to weakening - everyone will tell you how they were oppressed, and how hard it was during the occupation.
3 years ago I watched a conversation of Hungarian parliamentary delegation with the State Duma deputy Yevgeny Fyodorov (one very close to Putin, anti-liberal and anti-westernist, he can be easily considered a "hawk"). Hungarians were complaining and said that they are very disappointed with the West.

 

[Penguin]

You can not determine the shape of receptacle, if you sit inside it in the dark. Only one from the outside can see it.
Your vision is based on propaganda that you instilled since childhood.
If NATO was in what you believe in, then it would be disbanded in 1992.

Uhm and how would you know that doesn't also apply to you yourself?

 

[senheiser]

Uhm and how would you know that doesn't also apply to you yourself?

or you

 

[vostok]

Uhm and how would you know that doesn't also apply to you yourself?

Because our country has gone through a total scrapping of the social system and the destruction of the propaganda machine. Therefore, it is simpler for us to see from the outside.

 

[Penguin]

or you

I haven't pretended otherwise.... How about yourself, are you free of the influence of propaganda? And if so, how so?

Because our country has gone through a total scrapping of the social system and the destruction of the propaganda machine. Therefore, it is simpler for us to see from the outside.

And you actually belief there is no more propaganda machine? Hello,....

Just some materials that are relevant to the topic
Media of Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Freedom of the press in Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[vostok]

I haven't pretended otherwise.... How about yourself, are you free of the influence of propaganda? And if so, how so?


And you actually belief there is no more propaganda machine? Hello,....

Just some materials that are relevant to the topic
Media of Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Freedom of the press in Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The new machine is now in an embryonic state, as Russia still only at the beginning of way to Revival.
But the propaganda machine of the West is now running at 100% capacity. Propaganda of liberal values, homosexuality, juvenile justice, consumer attitude towards life, leveling the difference between good and evil, God and Satan, the denial of the spiritual life, double standards in international relations and so on. A person who grew up in the West see all this horrors as normal. But it is not. When the bubble propaganda bursts, Westerners will have a chance to realize their mistakes, as we realized ours.

 

[Penguin]

The new machine is now in an embryonic state, as Russia still only at the beginning of way to Revival.
But the propaganda machine of the West is now running at 100% capacity. Propaganda of liberal values, homosexuality, juvenile justice, consumer attitude towards life, leveling the difference between good and evil, God and Satan, the denial of the spiritual life, double standards in international relations and so on. A person who grew up in the West see all this horrors as normal. But it is not. When the bubble propaganda bursts, Westerners will have a chance to realize their mistakes, as we realized ours.

You seem to think homosexuality is promoted here (and we're all becoming more gay :o)
And here, in Netherlands, good and evil are somehow indistinguishables?
Don't make me laugh.


Please define 'the West' because
"The Western world, also known as the West and the Occident (from Latin: occidens "sunset, West"; as contrasted with the Orient), is a term referring to different nations depending on the context. "
Western world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why you think growing up in rural US equates to growing up in urban US and why either of these would somehow be the same or even similar to growing up e.g. in the Netherlands, or other parts of Europe. Heck, there's a world of difference already US and Canada.

Do you have difficulty handling ambiguities, accepting there are shades of grey, that not everything if black or white?

 

[vostok]

You seem to think homosexuality is promoted here (and we're all becoming more gay :o)
And here, in Netherlands, good and evil are somehow indistinguishables?
Don't make me laugh.


Please define 'the West' because
"The Western world, also known as the West and the Occident (from Latin: occidens "sunset, West"; as contrasted with the Orient), is a term referring to different nations depending on the context. "
Western world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why you think growing up in rural US equates to growing up in urban US and why either of these would somehow be the same or even similar to growing up e.g. in the Netherlands, or other parts of Europe. Heck, there's a world of difference already US and Canada.

Do you have difficulty handling ambiguities, accepting there are shades of grey, that not everything if black or white?

I'm talking about general trends in the Western world. Some countries resist the destruction of traditional values, but still will have to follow the path of "leaders."

 

[Beidou2020]

Sell Iran strategic weapons and air defences.

The more sanctions the US puts on Russia, the more disruptive actions Russia should take all over the world.

Proliferate weapons all over the world.

 

[Penguin]

Sell Iran strategic weapons and air defences.

The more sanctions the US puts on Russia, the more disruptive actions Russia should take all over the world.

Proliferate weapons all over the world.

Thanks, great idea. Let's all go fight everywhere. Excellent, wonderfull solution.