US becoming a creepy Control Freak. Nato Ally Hungary gets sanctioned too now

[Penguin]

I wrote that Brussels and Washington do not like independent policy of Budapest. Wrote that Hungary is under pressure. And also wrote about the sanctions of Washington. But I did not write a word about the EU sanctions, right?
Budapest - the black sheep of the European Union. Christianity, strong family, and patriotism - these principles are rejected by Brussels, so Hungary is under pressure, and Orban is called "putinist".

More agitprop?

e.g.

Family farming is the most common operational farming model in Europe and thus of great importance in the EU.

Family farming - Agriculture and rural development
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Meaningful and useful free time organisation; development of youth patriotism, courage, mental and physical abilities,

Real adventure - CO-OPERATION OFFERS - ENRD - European Commission

There is no contradiction between patriotism belonging to a country and at the same time being committed to a project and a process peace, democracy and freedom like the European Union.

EUROPA - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - José ManuelDurão Barroso<br>President of the European Commission<br>"Turkey: Master ofthe Straits, Master of itsDestiny"<br>Turkish Grand National Assembly <br>Ankara, 10 April2008<br>

So what if Orban is called Putinist? Is that illegal?
Norway minister and Hungary opposition slam Gov't “Putinist methods” to terrorize NGOs

 

[vostok]

More agitprop?

e.g.
Family farming - Agriculture and rural development
.

Real adventure - CO-OPERATION OFFERS - ENRD - European Commission


EUROPA - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - José ManuelDurão Barroso<br>President of the European Commission<br>"Turkey: Master ofthe Straits, Master of itsDestiny"<br>Turkish Grand National Assembly <br>Ankara, 10 April2008<br>

So what if Orban is called Putinist? Is that illegal?
Norway minister and Hungary opposition slam Gov't “Putinist methods” to terrorize NGOs

Hungary Dissatisfied with Democracy, but Not Its Ideals | Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project
Euro-MPs still dissatisfied with Hungary's media law — EU - European Union and Eurozone business news | EUbusiness.com
Budapesttelegraph.com - Budapest Telegraph News from Hungary
Hungary’s Christian Constitution at Faith and Heritage
Hungary Makes Waves With New Constitution | ZENIT - The World Seen From Rome
The Hungary question could strengthen the EU | Jan Werner Mueller | Comment is free | theguardian.com
EUobserver / Germany to Hungary: New constitution breaches EU values
I think it is not necessary to prove that in modern Europe the concept of family, patriotism, Motherland are blurred? In some countries a couple of perverts have equated to a normal family. Juvenile justice undermines the traditional inter-family relations.
In some EU countries little children are forced to go to sex education lessons and they are taught that sex can be changed at your decision.
It is clear that not all Eastern European nations want to go that way. Hungary has declared it loudly.
Hungarian deputy throws the EU flag from the window of the parliament.

 

[Penguin]

Hungary Dissatisfied with Democracy, but Not Its Ideals | Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project
Euro-MPs still dissatisfied with Hungary's media law — EU - European Union and Eurozone business news | EUbusiness.com
Budapesttelegraph.com - Budapest Telegraph News from Hungary
Hungary’s Christian Constitution at Faith and Heritage
Hungary Makes Waves With New Constitution | ZENIT - The World Seen From Rome
The Hungary question could strengthen the EU | Jan Werner Mueller | Comment is free | theguardian.com
EUobserver / Germany to Hungary: New constitution breaches EU values
I think it is not necessary to prove that in modern Europe the concept of family, patriotism, Motherland are blurred? In some countries a couple of perverts have equated to a normal family. Juvenile justice undermines the traditional inter-family relations.
In some EU countries little children are forced to go to sex education lessons and they are taught that sex can be changed at your decision.
It is clear that not all Eastern European nations want to go that way. Hungary has declared it loudly.
Hungarian deputy throws the EU flag from the window of the parliament.

I don't think it is proper to present as fact that which is (your personal?) opinion. I do in fact think it is necessary to substantiate such claims, otherwise they are hollow rethoric. Looking at my own country, there is no blurring of concepts of family, patriotism or Fatherland (note the difference there already). Here, we do not have a problem with gay marriage, it is a logical consequence of equal rights. There is no issue with juvenile justice in relation to the family. There is no unrational feart of sex education (the lack of which is a key sources of unwanted pregnancy and not just among teens). If Hungary wants to go in a certain different direction, then perhaps it should face and take the consequences i.e. leave the EU. And not whine about it (i.e. no longer accept EU money).

Symbolic gestures are just that ... symboilic.

 

[Schutz]

hypocrisy from you as usual

 

[Penguin]

hypocrisy from you as usual

Of course, and likewise to you.

 

[vostok]

I don't think it is proper to present as fact that which is (your personal?) opinion. I do in fact think it is necessary to substantiate such claims, otherwise they are hollow rethoric. Looking at my own country, there is no blurring of concepts of family, patriotism or Fatherland (note the difference there already). Here, we do not have a problem with gay marriage, it is a logical consequence of equal rights. There is no issue with juvenile justice in relation to the family. There is no unrational feart of sex education (the lack of which is a key sources of unwanted pregnancy and not just among teens). If Hungary wants to go in a certain different direction, then perhaps it should face and take the consequences i.e. leave the EU. And not whine about it (i.e. no longer accept EU money).

Symbolic gestures are just that ... symboilic.

Here I agree with you. They should stop complaining and start acting.

 

[Penguin]

Here I agree with you. They should stop complaining and start acting.

Glad we can agree on something. You know I intended nothing personal, yes?

 

[vostok]

Glad we can agree on something. You know I intended nothing personal, yes?

Everything is normal.

 

[C130]

creepy control freak

that title made me laugh

 

[asena_great]

hungarians should join turanian union

 

[Desertfalcon]

The creation of NATO had 2 goals - to control Germany and France and threaten the USSR. When the Soviet Union is gone, then there was one problem - to prevent the emergence of an independent policy in Europe.
In recent years, Brussels has repeatedly criticised the Hungarian position. Hungarians "dared" to make Christianity as Constitution religion. Hungarians resist homosexualization of society. But most importantly - that they dared to limit the power of the Central Bank! Hungary under pressure made some concessions, but not changed in principle anti-liberal, patriotic position.
Now Washington is even beginning to impose sanctions and recently Orban was called "putinist". For Hungarians that word means - patriotism, paternalism, protectionism, traditional society. But for the West "Putinism" - it's something nasty, anti-homosexual, too male and too traditional.
CSTO and the EAU - is an attempt to re-integrate a single country, almoust 100% of adult population of wich have a note in passport "Born in the USSR."
Expansion and the very existence of NATO is quite another.

Your description of NATO is....comical.

And just last month...

"All decisions made at the NATO summit considerably enhance the military security of Hungary and Central Europe, Prime Minister Viktor Orban told Hungarian journalists in Newport, UK, on Friday.

Hungary, just as all the other member states, has agreed to increase its military spending, he said.

Orban called the summit “highly important for Hungary”, one that “justifies that the Hungarian nation had voted in a referendum in favour of joining NATO."

Yah, that PM Orban sure sounds like he is isolated from Europe and is trying to free his country from NATO "occupation" and oppression! Vostok, your take on the world truly just cracks me up! Lol!

NATO decisions enhance Hungary’s security, says PM | Politics.hu

 

[vostok]

Your description of NATO is....comical.

And just last month...

"All decisions made at the NATO summit considerably enhance the military security of Hungary and Central Europe, Prime Minister Viktor Orban told Hungarian journalists in Newport, UK, on Friday.

Hungary, just as all the other member states, has agreed to increase its military spending, he said.

Orban called the summit “highly important for Hungary”, one that “justifies that the Hungarian nation had voted in a referendum in favour of joining NATO."

Yah, that PM Orban sure sounds like he is isolated from Europe and is trying to free his country from NATO "occupation" and oppression! Vostok, your take on the world truly just cracks me up! Lol!

NATO decisions enhance Hungary’s security, says PM | Politics.hu

You can not determine the shape of receptacle, if you sit inside it in the dark. Only one from the outside can see it.
Your vision is based on propaganda that you instilled since childhood.
If NATO was in what you believe in, then it would be disbanded in 1992.

 

[Desertfalcon]

You can not determine the shape of receptacle, if you sit inside it in the dark. Only one from the outside can see it.
Your vision is based on propaganda that you instilled since childhood.
If NATO was in what you believe in, then it would be disbanded in 1992.

Well apparently, PM Orban whom you have just spent several post insisting is trying to free himself of NATO "occupation" seems to be actually as intoxicated by that propaganda as I am.

I guess it would probably just be lost on you to understand that when PM Orban speaks so glowingly of NATO and how the Hungarian people voted in referendum to join, it's because Hungarians remember what real occupation they lived under, when Soviet armies held them captive...


Russian tanks crush Hungary's revolt against Soviet imperial occupation-Nov. 1956. Almost 3,000 Hungarians were killed. Over 200,000 Hungarians fled to the West in exile.

 

[vostok]

Well apparently, PM Orban whom you have just spent several post insisting is trying to free himself of NATO "occupation" seems to be actually as intoxicated by that propaganda as I am.

I guess it would probably just be lost on you to understand that when PM Orban speaks so glowingly of NATO and how the Hungarian people voted in referendum to join, it's because Hungarians remember what real occupation they lived under, when Soviet armies held them captive...


Russian tanks crush Hungary's revolt against Soviet imperial occupation-Nov. 1956. Almost 3,000 Hungarians were killed. Over 200,000 Hungarians fled to the West in exile.

The fact that the Soviet Union occupied at the time Eastern Europe (at the end of the war) does not negate the fact that at the moment the United States has occupied almost all of Europe.
USA also killed a lot of people in its backyard - in Latin America, who wanted to change the site.

 

[Desertfalcon]

The fact that the Soviet Union occupied at the time Eastern Europe (at the end of the war) does not negate the fact that at the moment the United States has occupied almost all of Europe.
USA also killed a lot of people in its backyard - in Latin America, who wanted to change the site.

I notice you are conspicuously silent on the words of PM Orban, whom you have given great praise to in this thread, who not only does not even hint at any mythical American "occupation" of Europe you keep referring to, but who gives great praise to both the NATO alliance that Hungary is a part of as well as praise he gives to his Hungarian countrymen for voting to join the Alliance. Like I said, vostok, your views just crack me up. (It would personaly, just exhaust me to believe that the world was so engineered by American power and conspiracy and to have to constantly invent how that is even possible!). I think you will find the world is much more clear and less constant work, once you realize that conventional wisdom is conventional wisdom for a reason, i.e., the most economical answer is usually the right one about 95%+ of the time. IOW, America does not "occupy" Europe. That is a mythical and silly notion that Mr. Orban's words alone dismiss. By contrast, the Soviet Union most certainly did occupy Europe and sent tanks to crush any challenge of that harsh rule.