US Approves Sale of Patriot Missiles to Turkey

[Oublious]

Can't we use the PAC3 on the Syrian border against Assad + allies and the S400 against Greece in the Aegean Sea region?

Yes, S400 would be the best in the Aegan sea and the coming EEZ zone around Cyprus.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Boy oh boy. The Americans are desperate. Losing allies left and right. The Russians and Chinese have really played the Yanks beautifully.

LOL at the last minute Patriot pitch...

 

[Fenasi Kerim]

Yes, S400 would be the best in the Aegan sea and the coming EEZ zone around Cyprus.

So at the end Turkey wins and gets Patriots, S400s and F35 plus our indigenous air defence systems coupled with jets will make Turkey a ballistic fortress for all the haters.

 

[dBSPL]

The agreement in 2009 was as follows: http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/turkey-patriot-advanced-capability-3-guided-missiles

-13 PATRIOT Battalions
-72 PATRIOT Advanced Capability (PAC-3) missiles
-197 MIM-104E PATRIOT (GEM-T)
-4 MIM-104E GEM-T Lot Validation Missiles,
-5 PATRIOT Digital Missiles
-5 Anti-Tactical Missiles and other support equipment
-8 AN/USQ-140(V)(11)(c) Multifunctional Information Distribution Systems
-13 AN/MPQ-65 Radar Sets
-13 Battery Command Posts,13 Engagement Control Stations
-48 M902 TEL Launching Stations,
-52 Antenna Mast Groups,
-13 Electronic Power Plant III (EPP),
-100 THALES 9310C (VHF) Radios,
-150 THALES 9310C VHF Data Radios,
-containers, battery and battalion maintenance equipment, prime movers, generators, electrical power units, personnel training and training equipment, trailers, communication equipment, tool and test sets, spare and repair parts.


Existing Approval covers the following purchases:
20 Patriot Missile Launcher
80 Gem-T Missile
60 Pac-3 Missile
4 AN / MPQ-65 Radar
4 Firing control units
10 Antenna unit
5 Power unit
Training, spare parts, repair kit


So this proposal, covers less than half of the total requirement. In this way, you can make a healthier comment about the situation of the SIPER project, the consortium that is walking with Europe and the emergency supply of the S400 system.

 

[Philip the Arab]

PAC3 missile is good against ballistic missile, in this case is S400 good as PAC3 missile against ballistic missile should be asked.

You know how many Pac-3 can fit in one canister?

That should answer the question for you a boat load of 12 per launcher which can engage up to 6 theater ballistic missiles with one 4 canister load out but of course isn't dedicated to ABM compared to the THAAD which outperforms the S-400 in ABM but to answer your question the S-400 can engage farther range Ballistic missiles such as MRBM and IRBM Ballistic missiles (range up to 3,500 km) while the Patriot can only defend against Tactical ballistic missiles.

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So at the end Turkey wins and gets Patriots, S400s and F35 plus our indigenous air defence systems coupled with jets will make Turkey a ballistic fortress for all the haters.

You're not getting F-35s unless I'm mistaken Trump signed a bill which said no F-35s for Turkey cause you were in bed with Russia, his thoughts not mine.

 

[HannibalBarca]

You know how many Pac-3 can fit in one canister?

That should answer the question for you a boat load of 12 per launcher which can engage up to 6 theater ballistic missiles with one 4 canister load out but of course isn't dedicated to ABM compared to the THAAD which outperforms the S-400 in ABM but to answer your question the S-400 can engage farther range Ballistic missiles such as MRBM and IRBM Ballistic missiles (range up to 3,500 km) while the Patriot can only defend against Tactical ballistic missiles.

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You're not getting F-35s unless I'm mistaken Trump signed a bill which said no F-35s for Turkey cause you were in bed with Russia, his thoughts not mine.

They are getting the F-35.

 

[Philip the Arab]

They are getting the F-35.

Why and how? That's compromising the data from the F-35 by the S-400 picking up what the radar cross section of the F-35 looks like and potentially making it easier for Russia to detect the plane.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

So at the end Turkey wins and gets Patriots, S400s and F35 plus our indigenous air defence systems coupled with jets will make Turkey a ballistic fortress for all the haters.

Icing in the cake, as far as Pak is concerned, ATAK engines!!! Hip hip hurray..

Why and how? That's compromising the data from the F-35 by the S-400 picking up what the radar cross section of the F-35 looks like and potentially making it easier for Russia to detect the plane.

No F-35 means limiting NATO engagements and geographic accesses....

 

[Philip the Arab]

Icing in the cake, as far as Pak is concerned, ATAK engines!!! Hip hip hurray..


No F-35 means limiting NATO engagements and geographic accesses....

Lol you do realize that's counter intuitive compared to my point. That's like saying your trying to kill a mouse and hitting the trap so it cant die from the trap.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Lol you do realize that's counter intuitive compared to my point. That's like saying your trying to kill a mouse and hitting the trap so it cant die from the trap.

Reis Erdo'an is keeping everything simple and straight forward, so everybody knows their places....

 

[Fenasi Kerim]

You're not getting F-35s unless I'm mistaken Trump signed a bill which said no F-35s for Turkey cause you were in bed with Russia, his thoughts not mine.

Ok SUREEE LOL

Icing in the cake, as far as Pak is concerned, ATAK engines!!! Hip hip hurray..


No F-35 means limiting NATO engagements and geographic accesses....

even if they VETO Pakistan will still get engines, Turkish made or sourced from somewhere else until Turkish equivalent is made.

 

[Philip the Arab]

I r

Ok SUREEE LOL

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/19/a-m...sia-and-the-us-just-got-more-complicated.html read the article the U.S. could pull out of both if Turkey goes ahead with the deal.

 

[Fenasi Kerim]

I r

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/19/a-m...sia-and-the-us-just-got-more-complicated.html read the article the U.S. could pull out of both if Turkey goes ahead with the deal.

Cool story

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I r

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/19/a-m...sia-and-the-us-just-got-more-complicated.html read the article the U.S. could pull out of both if Turkey goes ahead with the deal.

With the prospect of the Russian bombers in the Caribbean islands, looks like the USA's options are limited vis-à-vis allies...

 

[Philip the Arab]

Cool story

You do realize buying the S-400 is bad for Turkey, more sanctions will be slapped on them because of an act signed by the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countering_America's_Adversaries_Through_Sanctions_Act.