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Why are there so many more aggressively anti-Pakistani Indian posters than pro-Pakistani posters on each and every thread? I am just wondering...
Nothing new there man, one could also ask, why would Indians want to join Pak Defence forum. Not that I mind if they have good discussion but the amount of trolling by them sometimes is just too much
 
A team of UN military observers has visited the villages along the International Border with India to get first-hand information on the situation, Pakistani officials said on Wednesday.

The UN Military Observers Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP) team visited areas in Charwah, Chaprar and Pukhlian sectors on the International Border near Sialkot on Monday and Tuesday, the officials said.

The visit was made after Pakistan on October 9 lodged a protest with the UNMOGIP over the alleged firing from across the border and requested the UN team to visit the areas.

According to officials, the UN observers met the villagers, witnessed and gathered a first-hand account of the damage caused to human lives and properties due to firing.

The team also visited the Combined Military Hospital Sialkot and met injured civilians. Pakistan says at least 12 citizens have been killed and 64 injured due to firing.

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Didn't we just throw them out of the country? Who the hell invited them again?
 
EVIDENCE!!!

UN observers visit working boundary in Pakistan





(Express Tribune): A team of UN Military Observers Group in India and Pakistan visited on Monday and Tuesday the villages which have been badly hit by Indian firing in Charwah, Chaprar and Pukhlian sectors on the working boundary near Sialkot.

“Team of UN observers met the villagers, witnessed and gathered firsthand account of damage caused to human lives and property due to recent Indian hostility on the working boundary,” an ISPR press release stated.


More than 12 people have been killed and 64 others injured in Indian firing along the LoC and working boundary over the past two weeks. Unprovoked Indian firing has triggered an exodus of people from the villages near the LoC and Working Boundary.

“Indians have committed 24 ceasefire violations on working boundary and 26 on Line of Control since October 1and have been targeting civil population living in villages all along the working boundary,” the press release read.

“Day to day living of civillian population all along working is badly affected. People have almost fled their homes and taken refuge in nearest safe places,” it added.

The observation team also visited the Combined Military Hospital Siaklot and met civilians who are injured due to ‘unprovoked’ firing by the Indians.

Pakistan on October 9 lodged a strong protest with the UNMOGIP over the recent border clashes and asked the UN team to visit the working boundary and LoC .

Pakistan upholding the UN resolution utilizes the office of UNMOGIP to investigate such incidents or violations by either of the nuclear-armed neighbours.

“It is also relevant to highlight that Pakistan offers full access to UNMOGIP observers to investigate and bring the facts in front of the world, however Indians have always been reluctant and deny access to UNMOGIP observers on their side,” ISPR asserted.

Earlier today, senior Pakistani and Indian military officials made contact after days of intense cross-border firing in the disputed region of Kashmir heightened tensions.

Pakistan’s military said it had voiced concern at continued Indian firing across the disputed frontier.

Clashes occur regularly along the Line of Control, as well as along the working boundary. However, the latest shelling which began over a week ago, has been unusual in its intensity and frequency.
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@DESERT FIGHTER I saw those images in news, but the Badge is not clear and the helmets dont have UN written on it, which is a usual (but not mandatory) practice. So far no official release from UN, which is what will convince me.
 
@DESERT FIGHTER I saw those images in news, but the Badge is not clear and the helmets dont have UN written on it, which is a usual (but not mandatory) practice. So far no official release from UN, which is what will convince me.

Do you really need any more evidence than what you see in the photographs above?
I suppose it is possible the Pakistanis hired some Western actors to pose in uniforms that look like those of the UN. Still, is this the kind of issue on which one needs to be so suspicious and skeptical?
 
Why are there so many more aggressively anti-Pakistani Indian posters than pro-Pakistani posters on each and every thread? I am just wondering...

No one is anti-Pakistan; we are anti-hostilities.

Your army is ruining a wonderful opportunity that Sharif tried his level best to normalize ties and start good trade and friendly ties.

Wake up and see the real image of PA. The common Pakistani soldier could be a hero for you which is fine because he does his duty sincerely. But the real problem is your generals and ISI chiefs. They just will lose their relevance if Pakistani civilian leadership succeeds in ending all distrust between the two countries.

so now from no losses

it became 12 civilians killed and 20 injured

then it became 12 civilains killed and 64 injured

then it became

ATLEAST 12 killed and 64 injured

if there was not loss no damage as claimed earlier on this forum by pakistani members guess what was shown and what did the UN guys see ?

UN is just sore that the PM threw them out of India.
 
No one is anti-Pakistan; we are anti-hostilities.

Your army is ruining a wonderful opportunity that Sharif tried his level best to normalize ties and start good trade and friendly ties.

Wake up and see the real image of PA. The common Pakistani soldier could be a hero for you which is fine because he does his duty sincerely. But the real problem is your generals and ISI chiefs. They just will lose their relevance if Pakistani civilian leadership succeeds in ending all distrust between the two countries.

They were pretty relevant when they rescued thousands of Pakistanis who had been affected by floods!

How can the Army and ISI lose their relevance with the TTP running rampant, with the Baloch separatists causing trouble, with Iran threatening to send troops, with al Qaeda launching a nearly successful attack on a Navy ship, with Afghanistan in a complete mess and an ongoing US presence there, with CIA drone attacks going on, with Pakistani militants declaring loyalty to ISIS etc. etc.

The founders of Pakistan were clearly and militantly hostile to Zionism; most Muslims are to this day. Do you think that Mossad will allow the world's only ideologically Islamic nuclear-armed state to just go about its business, even if relations between Pakistan and India were to normalize?

The ISI is the best intelligence agency in the world, even with only a tiny fraction of the budget that other agencies have. Still, we do not need the ISI to show us that Sharif is a looter and liar who is only out for his own interests.

Pakistan Army Zindabad!
Go Nawaz Go!
Labbayk Ghazwa-e-Hind! ;-)
 
Didn't we just throw them out of the country? Who the hell invited them again?

No one did.

India has for years told them to take a walk. This trip they have made is on the Pak side, India does not entertain them.

GOI had some months ago asked them to vacate the bungalow they occupy next to India gate & seek premises elsewhere - and pay for it like other UN agencies do.

Wonder whats the status.
 
They were pretty relevant when they rescued thousands of Pakistanis who had been affected by floods!

The foot soldiers did the rescue operations, which is all good. But what did the big jurnails do?

Nothing.

How can the Army and ISI lose their relevance with the TTP running rampant, with the Baloch separatists causing trouble, with Iran threatening to send troops, with al Qaeda launching a nearly successful attack on a Navy ship, with Afghanistan in a complete mess and an ongoing US presence there, with CIA drone attacks going on, with Pakistani militants declaring loyalty to ISIS etc. etc.

I was talking about POLITICAL relevance. Every country has their militaries in barracks for a reason, instead of the government senate. In your country it is the opposite. The PM cannot take any decisions with regards to foreign policy and national security. Even if he tries, either he or she gets killed or thrown out or simply like in Musharaf era happened, changed the whole constitution while making the court systems atuned to the ruling government.

The founders of Pakistan were clearly and militantly hostile to Zionism; most Muslims are to this day. Do you think that Mossad will allow the world's only ideologically Islamic nuclear-armed state to just go about its business, even if relations between Pakistan and India were to normalize?

The ISI is the best intelligence agency in the world, even with only a tiny fraction of the budget that other agencies have. Still, we do not need the ISI to show us that Sharif is a looter and liar who is only out for his own interests.

Pakistan Army Zindabad!
Go Nawaz Go!
Labbayk Ghazwa-e-Hind! ;-)

That is your internal politics.

But what has Mossad got to do with firing at the borders? Those were uniformed guards ordered by the jurnails in an attempt to derail the talks that your and our leaders had initially.

Are you saying that your army commanders are helping Mossad by screwing our relations?

Then again, that is your problem.

Unless and until you face it and solve it, how can any outsider help you?
 
The foot soldiers did the rescue operations, which is all good. But what did the big jurnails do?

Nothing.


By 'jurnails', do you mean 'generals'? If so, then they were the ones who commanded the soldiers to perform those operations, who ave them their blessings, who assigned particular units to perform those tasks, who drew the public's attention to the excellent work that the soldiers were doing, who created a culture within the Army in which performing such rescue operations is seen as a job for soldiers (some would prefer to focus on fighting), who trained soldiers to perform such rescue operations, etc. etc.

By contrast the COAS had resolutely refused to engage with the political crisis caused by the protests, and no soliders were involved. It is the leadership which directs the Army forces to engage in the rescue work; the soldiers themselves are trained to follow orders.
 
I was talking about POLITICAL relevance.

These are soldiers. They care about fighting for their country. Most of them do not want to be politicians, as that is not their area of specialization. You have bought into a misleading picture of what Pakistani army officers are generally like.

Your idea that the PM can't make decisions regarding foreign affairs is nonsense. The Kargil withdrawal, for example, was entirely Sharif's idea, and many sectors of society supported him in that; the Army under Musharraf promptly obeyed Sharif's withdrawal order (though Musharraf maintained the operation was tactically sound, and disagreed with the media portrayal of the conflict). The coup came some months later, in response to Sharif's bizarre plane-hijacking-murder attempt.
 
These are soldiers. They care about fighting for their country. Most of them do not want to be politicians, as that is not their area of specialization. You have bought into a misleading picture of what Pakistani army officers are generally like.

Buddy, I am not talking about serving officers but top commanders who only sit and make decisions, not spend time in battlefield.

Your idea that the PM can't make decisions regarding foreign affairs is nonsense. The Kargil withdrawal, for example, was entirely Sharif's idea, and many sectors of society supported him in that; the Army under Musharraf promptly obeyed Sharif's withdrawal order (though Musharraf maintained the operation was tactically sound, and disagreed with the media portrayal of the conflict). The coup came some months later, in response to Sharif's bizarre plane-hijacking-murder attempt.

But why did the PM have to negotiate so much with Gen. Raheel before agreeing to come to the swearing in of our PM?

Simple question.
 
Buddy, I am not talking about serving officers but top commanders who only sit and make decisions, not spend time in battlefield.

The culture of the Pakistan Army is very different to what you seem to imagine. It is normal for their top commanders, the people who make decisions, to spend time in the battlefield. Think back to how Musharraf spent the night in a bunker with his men on the Indian side of the LOC at the height of the Kargil affair. Think back to how the commanding officer in the final operation to clear the Swat valley of militants was dropped, along with his troops, behind enemy lines. These cases are not that unusual in this army.

But why did the PM have to negotiate so much with Gen. Raheel before agreeing to come to the swearing in of our PM?

Simple question.

Before I answer, do you have a source for this?
 

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