Cossack25A1
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Indonesia is the natural military leader of ASEAN
Maybe China is jealous as they haven't started doing something in the region... oh wait, I guess it is this why they make man-made islands in that sea area.
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Indonesia is the natural military leader of ASEAN
Maybe China is jealous as they haven't started doing something in the region... oh wait, I guess it is this why they make man-made islands in that sea area.
there is no such thing as natural leader in this world. you have to earn the merit.Indonesia is the natural military leader of ASEAN
there is no such thing as natural leader in this world. you have to earn the merit.
I suggest indonesia goes to war against china. if the indos win, they are the new master of china.
if they want to become the new military leader of Asean, the indo army must become the most powerful country. at the moment, their army is poor equipped, poor financed. they won´t survive any battles against regional military powers as vietnam, singapore and malaysia.
Why we must fight against China? it must be better to sending Viet into destruction caused by their own stupidity
if our budget which is twice more than Vietnam you called it poorly financed how about your Armed forces, the deprived one? And you had spent roughly 3 percent of your GDP for military spending and yet you can't reach fivety per-cent of our defense budget
And, tell me about why Malaysia, Singapore, British and Australia must join together into FPDA (Five Power Defense Arrangement)? And who the one to fight them alone in the past during Confrontation? Viet?
The only more threatening than the First Island Chain (which include 9-10 Dash Line) is the Second Island Chain, as they could claim (and take by force) Benham rise from the Philippines as well as any area claimed by Japan in that area.
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There is nothing to prevent Viet Nam from sending her pilots to the US for training. Does not matter one bit the aircraft. If anything, air combat training from US will be superior to anything the Russians have.
There is nothing to prevent Viet Nam from sending her pilots to the US for training. Does not matter one bit the aircraft. If anything, air combat training from US will be superior to anything the Russians have.
American put their trust in Indonesia. That's why they gave Indonesia for free 30 used F-16 ( only charge the recovery cost ). Vietnam can't never dream for those.
And AH-64 Apache. US never intend to sell anything to foe, but friend.
can we jut become better than them instead.
The battle of sekigahara showed that a put together force with nothing but interests can not work against a real united force and a powerful one.
Tokugawa fired on the man he depended on to win the battle to force him to choose, and he did, joining Tokugawa and finished off Mitsunari.
So our offer will forever be the same, nothing. If you want to work together, good, if you just want something, America is your best friend.
@areal
I believe nine dot map is seen by USA as a big challenge made by China right into the face of USA hegemony. USA is concern that the vital shipping route which is very important in Asia Pacific region will be under 100 % China influence (based on China map). And we know that 21 century is an Asian Century.
Actually, there is no economical gain if China take it through force since Ukraine scenario will be imposed by USA directly. It will just attack China economy badly considering all NATO nations will be in his side. It is better for China to compete USA in economic and technology term, and dont be foolish to follow Russia footstep.
It is a sincere advice for me to all of Chinese here to avoid any problem during our Asian rise century. Furthermore, as Indonesian, we dont really have any problem on China rise. We have already been cooperating with them since hundreds years ago, in which we had two big empire at that time which were Srivijaya and Majapahit, even Majapahit Empire is wider than current Indonesian region. We only had a war with China when China was still under Mongol, and we know Mongol people are aggressive one, once they had really powerful power.
Russia is not stupid enough to conduct military operation, just because it lacks of possible choices from political aspects.
China is quite different, before reaching the last treatment, military activities, it has a lot of political solutions for choosing.
I cannot see China and US will really face-to-face collide in the near future. Diplomatic concerns are not more than asking for a high price during complicated negotiation. Eventually, US will automatically fade from Asia-Pacific area because it cannot support so large and expensive carrier fleets any more, and China can patiently wait.
I hear someone here calling you military leader.Why we must fight against China? it must be better to sending Viet into destruction caused by their own stupidity
if our budget which is twice more than Vietnam you called it poorly financed how about your Armed forces, the deprived one? And you had spent roughly 3 percent of your GDP for military spending and yet you can't reach fivety per-cent of our defense budget
And, tell me about why Malaysia, Singapore, British and Australia must join together into FPDA (Five Power Defense Arrangement)? And who the one to fight them alone in the past during Confrontation? Viet?
there is no such thing as natural leader in this world. you have to earn the merit.
I suggest indonesia goes to war against china. if the indos win, they are the new master of china.
if they want to become the new military leader of Asean, the indo army must become the most powerful country. at the moment, their army is poor equipped, poor financed. they won´t survive any battles against regional military powers as vietnam, singapore and malaysia.
I hear someone here calling you military leader.
big country size does not make you to a great military power, nor military budget. Israel won all 4 wars against its neighbors. the jews can crush all arab armies in the region combined at any time again.
I place my bet on the singapore army. they can crush your army.
why Malaysia, Singapore, British and Australia etc join together to fight possible aggression against indonesia?
well, it is not unsual. a lion mobilizes all of it powers to catch a mouse. the US as a military superpower mobilized dozen of other nation armies to go to war against the third rate military power Irak. and WON.