'we', trying too hard to fit in eh? .... You need to smell the coffee and wake up!
You have no idea about self respect and hard work...... Do you?
truth hurts bruh
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'we', trying too hard to fit in eh? .... You need to smell the coffee and wake up!
You have no idea about self respect and hard work...... Do you?
http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/...-help-india-build-up-navy-hits-snag/?mod=e2fb
When top American naval engineers recently inspected India’s first locally made aircraft carrier they expected to find a near battle-ready ship set to help counter China’s growing sway in the Indian Ocean.
Instead, they discovered the carrier wouldn’t be operational for up to a decade and other shortcomings: no small missile system to defend itself, a limited ability to launch sorties and no defined strategy for how to use the ship in combat. The findings alarmed U.S. officials hoping to enlist India as a bulwark against China, people close to the meeting said.
“China’s navy will be the biggest in the world soon, and they’re definitely eyeing the Indian Ocean with ports planned in Sri Lanka and Bangladesh,” said retired Admiral Arun Prakash, the former commander of India’s navy. “The Indian navy is concerned about this.”
The February carrier inspection, in the port of Kochi, formed part of U.S. plans to share aircraft carrier technology with India. Indian naval officials followed up with a tour of an American shipbuilding yard in Virginia and strategy briefings at the Pentagon in September, the people close to the meetings said.
The U.S. and India are drawing closer politically and militarily. The two have participated in joint naval exercises with Japan. The U.S. has agreed to sell New Delhi everything from attack helicopters to artillery. Washington has approved proposals by Lockheed Martin and Boeing Co. to make advanced jet fighters in India. And in August, the two countries signed a military logistics-sharing accord
"AMREEKA bhaadur" did surgical strike without any doubts, they showed it to world, I am happy if Usama Bin Laden is not dead, I don't want proof of his death. BTW How does it relates toAccording to you guys OSAMA is not dead because US did not provide you with the body, can you dare to ask same proof from US and what could be the Answer from AMREEKA bhaadur ?
OOO soo APKO bura laga ki INDIA ne jhoot bola. Dont ask what you guys said about proof given by AMREEKA...."AMREEKA bhaadur" did surgical strike without any doubts, they showed it to world, I am happy if Usama Bin Laden is not dead, I don't want proof of his death. BTW How does it relates to
"IN won't going to discuss how they going to use carrier in combat..."
Or IA not providing proof of "Surgi Kal Strike"??? or the technique of Indian Army???
Believe what you want, everyone here knows who has been operating Aircraft carriers since the 60s.
Don't be stupid @Beast
You only have to study the history of India’s aircraft carrier program and you will see what I mean.
INS Vikrant (1961 to 1997) - This was India first aircraft carrier. This was a brand new zero mileage aircraft carrier with catapult launch and has an angle deck which at that time was an advance design. It operated the Seahawk which at that time was a very successful aircraft carrier based fighter.
So it was fair to say this aircraft carrier capability was pretty much comparable with the best in the world at that timeframe ie 1960s and 70s. This was a good opportunity to learn and master aircraft carrier technologies.
However, India did not learn or master any of the aircraft carrier technology like the catapult, the arrestor landing and the aircraft carrier based fighter.
INS Viraat (1987 to 2020) – This is India’s second aircraft carrier. Now this was first launch in 1945 for the Royal Navy so it was launch even earlier than India’s first aircraft carrier INS Vikrant ! So what India got was a second hand, even older hand down aircraft carrier with a ski ramp instead of catapult launch. Its capability thus fell behind the catapult launch carrier but still quite capable. Today it’s a decrepitated aircraft carrier used only for show.
Now it get worst.
INS Vikramaditya (2013) – This is India’s third aircraft carrier. Not only is this another second hand, hand down aircraft carrier, it’s not even an aircraft carrier but originally a helicopter carrier. It has no blast shield, it is small with its infrastructure located near the center and its elevators located in the center blocking landing operations. Only one elevator can fit the MIG29. Its bridge control room looks like something from the 1980s. Even INS Vikramaditya will be dock soon for a refit to add an air defense.
So today, after over 50 years of operating aircraft carriers, India only have one modified helicopter carrier (Not counting that decrepitated INS Viraat ).
Wouldn't you have a strategy and then buy the gear that can best carry out that strategy, not the other way around?One of the reasons could be that India is the biggest market for defence sales,India needs new gear and the US among others can provide.
You only have to study the history of India’s aircraft carrier program and you will see what I mean.
INS Vikrant (1961 to 1997) - This was India first aircraft carrier. This was a brand new zero mileage aircraft carrier with catapult launch and has an angle deck which at that time was an advance design. It operated the Seahawk which at that time was a very successful aircraft carrier based fighter.
So it was fair to say this aircraft carrier capability was pretty much comparable with the best in the world at that timeframe ie 1960s and 70s. This was a good opportunity to learn and master aircraft carrier technologies.
However, India did not learn or master any of the aircraft carrier technology like the catapult, the arrestor landing and the aircraft carrier based fighter.
INS Viraat (1987 to 2020) – This is India’s second aircraft carrier. Now this was first launch in 1945 for the Royal Navy so it was launch even earlier than India’s first aircraft carrier INS Vikrant ! So what India got was a second hand, even older hand down aircraft carrier with a ski ramp instead of catapult launch. Its capability thus fell behind the catapult launch carrier but still quite capable. Today it’s a decrepitated aircraft carrier used only for show.
Now it get worst.
INS Vikramaditya (2013) – This is India’s third aircraft carrier. Not only is this another second hand, hand down aircraft carrier, it’s not even an aircraft carrier but originally a helicopter carrier. It has no blast shield, it is small with its infrastructure located near the center and its elevators located in the center blocking landing operations. Only one elevator can fit the MIG29. Its bridge control room looks like something from the 1980s. Even INS Vikramaditya will be dock soon for a refit to add an air defense.
So today, after over 50 years of operating aircraft carriers, India only have one modified helicopter carrier (Not counting that decrepitated INS Viraat ).
India's greatest threat is their internal Maoist insurgency as stated by their previous PM. Their second threat probably is Pakistan which is just next door and Kashmir which is inland. Then they have border issues with China which is thousands of miles inland and thousands of feet high.Wouldn't you have a strategy and then buy the gear that can best carry out that strategy, not the other way around?

Wouldn't you have a strategy and then buy the gear that can best carry out that strategy, not the other way around?
Can you please look at these pictures and tell me what's missing for it to not be a carrier?
Two elevators on the Vikramaditya can handle the Mig-29K. That's plenty
Don't forget we paid only $2.35B for this and will get 30 years out of it. That's a steal. There's no chance of ever getting a better bargain than this.
Otoh, the lone Chinese carrier is just a training vessel, whereas the IN is now equipped enough to take the Vikramaditya to war.

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This is proper aircraft carrier infrastructure… at the edge of the carrier.
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This is Vikramatiya’s Bridge. It’s so out of date.
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This is Vikramatiya’s Lifts. Small and Cramp built for small helicopters.Only one lift can be use for the MIG29
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This is what an aircraft carrier lift should be like. Spacious wuth one side facing the edge.
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Vikramatiya do not have blast shield. You will have to clear eveything behind the engine or it will be blown into the sea..
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Vikramatiya 2 take off position overlaps with the landing. You cannot takeoff and land at the same time. Also you only have 3 arrestors which are improvised as original design do not cater space for it.
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A proper aircraft carrier has 3 take off positions. As you can see one take off position does not overlap the landing. There is 4 arrestors which are part of the original design.
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China also have a Kiev class helicopter carrier. But its only good enough as a floating hotel.
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There is also the problems due to the modifications. Such as the extra weight due to the addition of the angled deck, the take off ramp and the arrestor equipment.
So good luck trying to use this modified helicopter carrier.