Type 054C/D CDG vs Kolkata class destroyers

[Nexus]

Kolkata-class destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Type 052C destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Type 052D destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't think that only 3 Kolkata class destroys (without VLS) can defend us we need more bigger and better ships.

 

[Kinetic]

Kolkata-class destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Type 052C destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Type 052D destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't think that only 3 Kolkata class destroys (without VLS) can defend us we need more bigger and better ships.

who said it kolkata doesn't have VLS? Does 52 have anything near to LRSAM??? Kolkata sources some the systems from India, Russia, Israel, France etc. Some 3rd grade equipments from PRC cannot be compared.


I read in a blog by USN personnel that PLAN nuclear submarines are so noisy that latest USN equipments can listen them from hundreds from KMs away!!! that chinese submarine floating near USN carrier is a hoax to increase budget. USN sonars records data about seven seas about slight variation in temp for last six decades.

Think how P-8I will perform against Chinese submarines.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Kolkata-class destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Type 052C destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Type 052D destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't think that only 3 Kolkata class destroys (without VLS) can defend us we need more bigger and better ships.

The P-15As have VLS


Anyway the follow-on 4 P-15Bs (a more advanced and improved version) are already under construction.


Anyway, before this becomes the typical d!ck measuring contest- China's ability to project naval power in the IOR is as limited as India's ability to project naval power in the SCS and this will remain true for at least another 2 decades.

 

[Genesis]

who said it kolkata doesn't have VLS? Does 52 have anything near to LRSAM??? Kolkata sources some the systems from India, Russia, Israel, France etc. Some 3rd grade equipments from PRC cannot be compared.


I read in a blog by USN personnel that PLAN nuclear submarines are so noisy that latest USN equipments can listen them from hundreds from KMs away!!! that chinese submarine floating near USN carrier is a hoax to increase budget. USN sonars records data about seven seas about slight variation in temp for last six decades.

Think how P-8I will perform against Chinese submarines.

I read in a blog by USN officer, that Indian navy can't event steer a ship in a straight line, but I'm not going to take his word for it, mostly because if it sounds insane it probably is.


Really, 3rd grade, do you know why your radar is more in line of 52C rather than flat like 52D? You may have VLS, but ours can fire all Chinese missiles from our VLS, while yours cannot, I know the Burke class also cannot do this, at least most of them.

There are other things, but I'll leave it there.

Now I usually don't post in this kind of thread, but since you provoked a response, you are going to get one.

 

[Sahasranama]

I read in a blog by USN officer, that Indian navy can't event steer a ship in a straight line, but I'm not going to take his word for it, mostly because if it sounds insane it probably is.


Really, 3rd grade, do you know why your radar is more in line of 52C rather than flat like 52D? You may have VLS, but ours can fire all Chinese missiles from our VLS, while yours cannot, I know the Burke class also cannot do this, at least most of them.

There are other things, but I'll leave it there.

Now I usually don't post in this kind of thread, but since you provoked a response, you are going to get one.

Why don't you share that link to that blog ? I too would be interested in reading that USN officers opinion.

Indian VLC can fire Barak-1, Barak -8 and Brahmos. Nirbhay in the future. That is all it needs to do.

Finally provide evidence to your claims on 52 C and D

 

[Genesis]

Why don't you share that link to that blog ? I too would be interested in reading that USN officers opinion.

Indian VLC can fire Barak-1, Barak -8 and Brahmos. Nirbhay in the future. That is all it needs to do.

Finally provide evidence to your claims on 52 C and D

This is part of it, if you are interested in the rest, you can google it yourself, it's rather easy to find.

“IAmA US Naval Officer who spent 5 days onboard an Indian Navy warship.” | September 11, 2011 | SmartWar.org


Evidence? These two claims that I made are easily verified that's why I didn't go further into it, due to our secretive nature I cannot make cases for missiles, electronic system, design and "AEGIS," though if you do a little bit of research and understand a few things it's not hard to come to the same conclusion.

Missiles for one, we have the Russian advanced missile when we made the 4 DDG purchase, the whole point of the purchase at the time, and the missiles on our ships are definitely better according to naval admiral who teaches in the naval academy and pretty much ever other source, but the specifics are scarce and unreliable. So I didn't go into it.

As to electronic systems, Russians systems have been deemed not good enough back in 06, today we are an electronics giant, in both the latest tech and variety. Civilian sector is the gate way to high end military tech as proven by US and wouldn't you know it, us.


Though these are hard to prove without a doubt.


I know India can fire those missiles, but the 52D is very lean, why is that? Everything is in the VLS, every canister are the same size and can fire any missile, as we standardized every missile.

As you can clearly see here.


52D is a clear upgrade of 52C, the radar on 52D is much improved due to the shape, it's just a board, the reason for the shape of the 52C and Kolkata is cooling, that has not been worked out. 52D matches and exceeds the current Burkes in radar due to it being AESA and 2014. Though Americans still got one more trick up their sleeve in the Zumwalt.

 

[Krate M]

That reddit thread was proved as a hoax. The user was banned. And the posts were deleted. Click on the original source when you get time. Use original source where possible.

 

[Genesis]

That reddit thread was proved as a hoax. The user was banned.

hence I said it was so insane that it's false, but Chinese subs? There are so many conflicting reports that unless we get into it, there's no real way to know.

The first type 091 sucks I know that. The 094 has been said to be either good, great, or not worth the metal it was built with.


I can conclude it's not Ohio class, but it's also not too bad, the fact we are using it for actual patrols now speaks volume.

 

[Shinigami]

This is part of it, if you are interested in the rest, you can google it yourself, it's rather easy to find.

“IAmA US Naval Officer who spent 5 days onboard an Indian Navy warship.” | September 11, 2011 | SmartWar.org

its a hoax. this "us naval officer" is probably a pakistani fanboy. they even made up some fake wikileaks to make india look bad
Pakistani media publish fake WikiLeaks cables attacking India | World news | The Guardian

talk about obsession

 

[Krate M]

hence I said it was so insane that it's false, but Chinese subs? There are so many conflicting reports that unless we get into it, there's no real way to know.

The first type 091 sucks I know that. The 094 has been said to be either good, great, or not worth the metal it was built with.


I can conclude it's not Ohio class, but it's also not too bad, the fact we are using it for actual patrols now speaks volume.

Nope that was no US naval personnel post. You used a fake story. If you want to question the poster ask them for their source, don't post fake links to counter, it reduces your credibility.

 

[Shinigami]

@Topic
obviously Kolkota class is better because its a combination of the best techs of india, the west, russia and israel, designed by the indian navy based on their much larger naval experiance

 

[Genesis]

its a hoax. this "us naval officer" is probably a pakistani fanboy. they even made up some fake wikileaks to make india look bad
Pakistani media publish fake WikiLeaks cables attacking India | World news | The Guardian

talk about obsession

Nope that was no US naval personnel post. You used a fake story. If you want to question the poster ask them for their source, don't post fake links to counter, it reduces your credibility.

I read in a blog by USN officer, that Indian navy can't event steer a ship in a straight line, but I'm not going to take his word for it, mostly because if it sounds insane it probably is.

Source: Type 054C/D CDG vs Kolkata class destroyers

This is my original post, you can see it in the one post that other dude quoted me to confirm I didn't change it.

I didn't believe a word of it, and I clearly mentioned it in the second post, but somehow that was also misunderstood for some reason.


I said these stories are crazy and shouldn't be believed and yet, now it's used to attack me. Who's the obsessed one, me who you just agreed with or you who thinks everyone is out to get you and is not making any factual claims.

 

[Shinigami]

@Genesis
that 52D you posted looks an awful lot like INS Kolkata

 

[Krate M]

You could have asked the poster to prove what he said. Instead you post a fake "blog", so it shows you are not sure about the capabilities of your own system. It is better to fight for own truth than use a lie.

 

[Genesis]

@Genesis
that 52D you posted looks an awful lot like INS Kolkata

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Well India isn't exactly too bad at this, but you got a couple of things not to your advantage.

First the 054C was a experiment we had for about 10 years before we made the 054D, you didn't have that.

Our manufacturing and domestic industries are far more capable and thus it is also an advantage.


Mostly it's the build time, China started the 52D in early 2010s, while India early 2000s. The time difference is huge in this regard, due to the speed of our advances.


If you look closely, you can clearly see the radar and the VLS that I mentioned, the rest are a little hard to see and I can't provide proof so I won't use it as proof.

You could have asked the poster to prove what he said. Instead you post a fake "blog", so it shows you are not sure about the capabilities of your own system. It is better to fight for own truth than use a lie.

I said these blogs are not trust worthy, why is it so hard to understand this point, I brought up a fake news(which I didn't know at the time, though suspected) to prove blogs are about as trust worth as a woman's age.