Featured Two Pakistani soldiers martyred in Indian firing along LoC

[Areesh]

Tired of this BS. When a firework goes off in an Indian Army base they go beserk and attempt a half arsed air strike. We lose two men and we just send out a press release.

Now that they have a massive logistical build up with China we should give them a massive smack, let them than panic on two fronts.

Well we have also killed a lot of them including officers

But yeah it is the perfect time to give them pain

 

[My-Analogous]

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[PakShaheen79]

إِنَّا لِلَّٰهِ وَإِنَّا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُونَ

A response is due and InshaAllah it will come with vengeance!!

 

[Cuirassier]

coordinated sniper fire? what are the civvie casualties for this year so far? would give an idea on actual mil cas.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Dear Elite member,
ISPR didn't report about these two deaths.

You are also confusing MoD with MHA or Ministry of Home Affairs who manages paramilitary forces.

paramilitary forces aren't deployed at LoC, so they don't suffer losses from ceasefire violations at the LoC.

These 4,132 deaths of paramilitary forces included death due to accidents and health issues beside KIAs. paramilitary forces serve till 55 years of age. So deaths due to age related issues are major part of that figure.

If only KIAs are taken into account these death numbers will come down drastically.
For example, only 316 paramilitary personnel killed between 2014-18: Government

316 paramilitary personnel killed between 2014-18: Government

During the Question Hour, Union Minister of State for Home Kiren Rijiju said 61 paramilitary personnel were killed in 2018, 70 in 2017, 71 in 2016, 43 in 2015 and 71 in 2014.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

What kind of idiot fails to question this sickening casualty rate on the LoC (where FYI paramilitaries are indeed deployed)? What kind of jahil qom tolerates the 56 inch coward as their leader, who boasts of wanting to "liberate Azad Kashmir" and laments emotionally the "partition" as the events of 1947 are peculiarly called by our Hindustani neighbours, yet he himself shows sufficient disdain for his troops that he refuses to take China by name when attempting to ward off intruders? This man calls himself chowkidar?

How on earth can FOUR THOUSAND SOLDIERS die in 2-3 years of non-combat causes?

For comparison, in 2019, 66 British personnel died of all causes.

UK armed forces deaths in service: 2019

Summary statistics on deaths among the UK regular armed forces and the non-regular members of the UK armed forces who died whilst deployed on operation.

www.gov.uk

That 66 includes cancers, accidents etc. Even if you scale up by 10 to compensate for the size difference between UK military and Indian paramilitary, that's still nearly 10 x the number of deaths that Indian paramilitaries are sustaining compared to British triservices. According to you, these are 90-95% explained by medical conditions and road accidents.

Does the Indian paramilitary deliberately hire troops in terminal stages of cancer or something?

 

[Vapour]

coordinated sniper fire? what are the civvie casualties for this year so far? would give an idea on actual mil cas.

Found this for the Indian side, assuming a bit more for the Pakistani side, since it's perceived to have more population residing along the LOC:

In over 2,730 such ceasefire violations so far, 24 civilians have been killed and over 100 injured.

Intense shelling by Pakistan along LoC in Jammu and Kashmir’s Poonch district

Pakistan used small arms and mortars on Saturday to violate ceasefire on the Line of Control (LoC) in three sectors of Jammu and Kashmir’s Poonch district

www.nationalheraldindia.com

 

[JNUite]

What kind of idiot fails to question this sickening casualty rate on the LoC (where FYI paramilitaries are indeed deployed)? What kind of jahil qom tolerates the 56 inch coward as their leader, who boasts of wanting to "liberate Azad Kashmir" and laments emotionally the "partition" as the events of 1947 are peculiarly called by our Hindustani neighbours, yet he himself shows sufficient disdain for his troops that he refuses to take China by name when attempting to ward off intruders? This man calls himself chowkidar?

How on earth can FOUR THOUSAND SOLDIERS die in 2-3 years of non-combat causes?

For comparison, in 2019, 66 British personnel died of all causes.

UK armed forces deaths in service: 2019

Summary statistics on deaths among the UK regular armed forces and the non-regular members of the UK armed forces who died whilst deployed on operation.

www.gov.uk

I'll try for the last time. Read the wordings of the minister's statement in the parliament.

The highest number of personnel who died during their service period belonged to the CRPF (1,597), followed by 725 of the BSF, 671 of the CISF, 429 of the ITBP, 329 of the SSB and 381 of the Assam Rifles, Union Minister of State for Home Nityanand Rai said.

It says 671 personnel of the CISF died. Do You know what is CISF?
CISF is Central Industrial Security Force which guards as name suggest major industries, airport, etc. CISF is neither deployed on the LoC or any insurgency affected areas to get killed in action.

It says 429 of the ITBP died too. ITBP is deployed on Chinese LAC where not a single bullet has been fired for last many decades.

@Windjammer

 

[Cuirassier]

Found this for the Indian side, assuming a bit more for the Pakistani side, since it's perceived to have more population residing along the LOC:

In over 2,730 such ceasefire violations so far, 24 civilians have been killed and over 100 injured.

Intense shelling by Pakistan along LoC in Jammu and Kashmir’s Poonch district

Pakistan used small arms and mortars on Saturday to violate ceasefire on the Line of Control (LoC) in three sectors of Jammu and Kashmir’s Poonch district

www.nationalheraldindia.com

well did some research and for now it seems like the figure is 20. expect mil cas slightly lesser. couldn't open this link, what's the figure?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

I'll try for the last time. Read the wordings of the minister's statement in the parliament.

The highest number of personnel who died during their service period belonged to the CRPF (1,597), followed by 725 of the BSF, 671 of the CISF, 429 of the ITBP, 329 of the SSB and 381 of the Assam Rifles, Union Minister of State for Home Nityanand Rai said.

It says 671 personnel of the CISF died. Do You know what is CISF?
CISF is Central Industrial Security Force which guards as name suggest major industries, airport, etc. CISF is neither deployed on the LoC or any insurgency affected areas to get killed in action.

It says 429 of the ITBP died too. ITBP is deployed on Chinese LAC where not a single bullet has been fired for last many decades.

@Windjammer

Do the maths. If you whittle away the denominator as well as the numerator by removing groups not at the LoC, you still have a ten-fold higher rate of deaths from apparent non-combat causes than you should be having among LoC paramilitaries. This is simply not possible assuming recruitment is reasonably vetted to exclude the walking myocardial infarctions.

 

[Areesh]

well did some research and for now it seems like the figure is 20. expect mil cas slightly lesser. couldn't open this link, what's the figure?

15 Indian soldiers are confirmed killed in 2020 in cross border firing

 

[Cuirassier]

15 Indian soldiers are confirmed killed in 2020 in cross border firing

expect more or less the same from our side.

 

[Vapour]

well did some research and for now it seems like the figure is 20. expect mil cas slightly lesser. couldn't open this link, what's the figure?

The line after the colon was from the article, so 24 killed and over a 1000 injured.

 

[Vapour]

expect more or less the same from our side.

For both sides, do you think these are merely the ones that have been reported or there are plenty more that don't make the press?

 

[Cuirassier]

For both sides, do you think these are merely the ones that have been reported or there are plenty more that don't make the press?

I'm not a fan of digging into unofficial reports like trolls from both sides do. but wrt PA, casualties aren't always released. and there's no certain pattern. some official Ind documents manage to sidelines casualties in CFVs or PA action as militant-caused. at the end of the day, some years we suffer more, some years they.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

Something happened in Indian occupied Kashmir last night. Watch this Haqeeqat TV video in which a Kashmiri lady got off alive call because there was a big explosion that also caused an earthquake.

Pakistan may have conducted an operation across border and Indian may be responding in frustration which lead to loss of two soldiers. إِنَّا لِلَّٰهِ وَإِنَّا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُونَ‎

LOL! The explosion was centered around Srinagar. Sure as hell if such an explosion had happened, it would be seen in new papers. At best it was a sonic boom.