Turkish ship shelled off Libya coast, officer killed, several crew injured

[-SINAN-]

Do we know which one of the 10.000 different armed factions in Libya did this? And to all of those who want 'punitive actions', stop being delusional. Turkey has nothing to gain by shelling some positions. It will only make Turkey look bad. Even though I hate that thug street fighter Erdogan and his destructive, always wrong foreign policy, I do agree with his Gaddafi stance. Look at this mess. If only he could see the same thing happening in Syria, with a huge *** border with Turkkey. Anyway, I will fully support him not doing anything back. It's just another Yemen over there. Just send the ships to Egypt and hire some poor Arabs to truck the goods into Libya. Their risk.

Nobody saying let's invade Libya...they attacked on a Turkish civilian ship and we have to give a proportional military reaction...

 

[Timur]

fvck up the relations with Libya

thy just exited with Western allies.. its now some wiered arab nations playground

 

[xenon54 out]

Nobody saying let's invade Libya...they attacked on a Turkish civilian ship and we have to give a proportional military reaction...

Let Libya attack a Israeli ship and see what Israel does there over night, gotta show your teeth when living in the jungle.

thy just exited with Western allies.. its now some wiered arab nations playground

I dont quite get what you mean.

 

[IR-TR]

Great FP of AKP at work... How did they manage to fvck up the relations with Libya?
Erdogan is doing wonders in this field i tell you.


Read the part that i quoted, it was Libyan military, i think rebels are hardly able to attack from Air.

You're right, I didn't read the whole article. Damn, I thought Libya was in the pro-West camp? The government that is. Guess I've been paying too much attention to Syria/Iraq.
So which one of the Arab countries is trying to send a message to Turkey?

 

[Timur]

I dont quite get what you mean.

I mean they did nothing.. no action is also destructive.. no one cared what happened after gaddaffi now many arab nations are involved in lybia

Arab countries is trying to send a message to Turkey?

maybe egypt and some wahabi arab states..

 

[IR-TR]

Let Libya attack a Israeli ship and see what Isreal does there over night, gotta show your teeth when living in the jungle.


I dont quite get what you mean.

I don't think Turkey should do anything. I understand the emotion, but it's not worth it guys. The Libyan 'government' is just one of many fighting factions, no legitimacy at all, they were all 'rebels' a mere 4 years ago. I don't think Turkey should step in, it might lead to all kinds of bad PR. As I said, Turkey should just dock it's ships in nearby Egypt, pay some poor Arab drivers to get the goods into Libya. That's it.

I mean they did nothing.. no action is also destructive.. no one cared what happened after gaddaffi now many arab nations are involved in lybia



maybe egypt and some wahabi arab states..

Allah rahmet eylesin, but I think this might wake up Turkey's leadership, that Arabs aren't 'friends' either, especially not the Wahabbis. Its all vs all in this sh!thole called the Middle East. Cooperate with them in Syria, and they kill your sailors in another country. It's messy. Turkey should perhaps want to move back to it's 'no problems with any neighbours' policy? And a very strong defence industry and military of course.

 

[-SINAN-]

So which one of the Arab countries is trying to send a message to Turkey?

No one, i think...a few months ago they bombed a Greek ship....now this.

 

[IR-TR]

No one, i think...a few months ago they bombed a Greek ship....now this.

So probably another Mogadishu then. Everybody shoots at everybody. If so, forget retaliation. Would do more harm than good.

 

[xenon54 out]

So which one of the Arab countries is trying to send a message to Turkey?

I dont know which one tries to send message but, funny how AKPs soft FP gave the courage even to the failed states to give us a ''message''.

I dont know if you are able to read this but this treat made Syria to deport abdullah öcalan, at that time noone of our neighbors dared to fvck with us, let alone shooting our plane.

Kıvrıkoğlu: Tanklarla Suriye'ye girecektik

(Orgeneral Atilla Ateş o gün Hatay'ın Reyhanlı ilçesindeki askerî birliği ziyaretinde şöyle demişti: "Türk devleti olarak komşularımızla iyi ilişkiler kurmaya çalışıyoruz. Bu iyi niyetimize rağmen bazı komşularımız, özellikle ismini açıkça söylüyorum, Suriye gibi komşular, iyi niyetimizi yanlış tefsir ediyorlar. Apo denen eşkıyayı destekleyerek Türkiye'yi terör belasına bulaştırdılar. Türkiye iyi ilişkiler konusunda gerekli çabayı gösterdi. Türkiye beklediği karşılığı alamazsa, her türlü tedbiri almaya hak kazanacaktır. Artık sabrımız kalmadı.")

 

[Quasar]

foreign policy is a disaster there is no doubt about it!!!
and most importantly RIP to the crew member!!!

However, the damn question is who is controling Derna? most of the Turkish companies (still) doing business with Libya is using mısrata port! it was a not worthy risk to take!!! its a damn war zone!

Sorry but it was not a wise decison to approch to derna or topruk!!!

 

[usernameless]

pffff, just saw on tv that it was Libyan airforce that carried out the strike against the Turkish vessel. Turkish military should have retaliated, but don't ask me how, just pissed off about this. Though imo Turkish companies should leave there, of course it's up to them, but it seems a risky place at the moment.

 

[era_shield]

Nobody saying let's invade Libya...they attacked on a Turkish civilian ship and we have to give a proportional military reaction...

It was carrying a Cook Islands flag, not a Turkish flag. Retaliating would serve no deterrent purpose. The only thing they could do is in the future carry a Turkish flag and have a Turkish Navy escort, but that would probably escalate into a regional war or worse.

 

[IR-TR]

I dont know which one tries to send message but, funny how AKPs soft FP gave the courage even to the failed states to give us a ''message''.

I dont know if you are able to read this but this treat made Syria to deport abdullah öcalan, at that time noone of our neighbors dared to fvck with us, let alone shooting our plane.

Kıvrıkoğlu: Tanklarla Suriye'ye girecektik

Apo denen eskiyayi Yes I read it and understood. But it has to be said it could have been bluster. And it was indeed at the height, or not too long after, that horrible insurgency and war. So yes, words weren't minced. But I highly doubt Turkey would have just invaded and marched upon Damascus. Turkey hasn't been an agressor sinds 1918. And I respect that.

We shouldn't confuse the shelling of a Turkish ship by some rogue Arabs in a failed state as weakness on our part, or Erdogan's. And indeed, Mavi Marmara was very bad, but the superpower of the world always stand behind 'that land', so nothing could have been done. I mean no country dares to openly attack Turkey and won't. Some skirmished between Syria and Turkey are understandable, and repaid in kind. Let's not remember Turkey is aiding many groups that are in direct war with the Syrian government. What would Turkey do if another country openly armed the PKK during an actual war? That's basically an act of war.

pffff, just saw on tv that it was Libyan airforce that carried out the strike against the Turkish vessel. Turkish military should have retaliated, but don't ask me how, just pissed off about this. Though imo Turkish companies should leave there, of course it's up to them, but it seems a risky place at the moment.

If it's really the Libyan air force, perhaps Turkey should strikes out their airplanes? But I believe the US won't allow it, since those aircraft might be neede to 'fight ISIS'.

 

[Hakan]

Libyan Civil War (2014–present) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Egypt and its GCC buddies will probably launch a large scale operation in Libya soon. They want their side in power, Turkey will be left out of libya. Even if Turkey worked with the Arabs it wouldn't get that far in Libya because some of the GCC guys will get all of the contracts because they would just donate billions to the government in power. Turkey doesn't have the capability to project much power in Libya, it is far away and the Arabs will always have more money than Turkey so they will get control of the government there. Same thing will happen in syria, some GCC countries will show up with suitcases full of money and get a lot of influence over syria after assad is gone. They would also rather buy western gear to build up the new militaries after things stabilize in the war torn arab countries, for example the saudis bought lebanon all new gear from France.

Turkish navy however should react to this attack. BTW the government in Tobruk is supported by Egypt. Right now in egypt arab nationalists are in power, they don't like Turks, they hate the Ottomans, they will only remain neutral regarding Turkey if Turkey plays 0 role in the region, even having Turkish companies getting big contracts and making arms deals would irritate them.

 

[usernameless]

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Libyan Civil War (2014–present) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Egypt and its GCC buddies will probably launch a large scale operation in Libya soon. They want their side in power, Turkey will be left out of libya. Even if Turkey worked with the Arabs it wouldn't get that far in Libya because some of the GCC guys will get all of the contracts because they would just donate billions to the government in power. Turkey doesn't have the capability to project much power in Libya, it is far away and the Arabs will always have more money than Turkey so they will get control of the government there. Same thing will happen in syria, some GCC countries will show up with suitcases full of money and get a lot of influence over syria after assad is gone. They would also rather buy western gear to build up the new militaries after things stabilize in the war torn arab countries, for example the saudis bought libya all new gear from France.

Turkish navy however should react to this attack. BTW the government in Tobruk is supported by Egypt. Right now in egypt arab nationalists are in power, they don't like Turks, they hate the Ottomans, they will only remain neutral regarding Turkey if Turkey plays 0 role in the region, even having Turkish companies getting big contracts and making arms deals would irritate them.

basically sums up how it works in MENA. I think we all agree that Turkey should keep a minimal political profile in the MENA and just focus on trade. All this political interference by Turkey leads to almost nothing as MENA leaders have a rather short timespan due coups, conflicts and a stronger GCC lobby. It's so unfortunate that Turkey has a very rough neighborhood. all those wars and conflicts are bad for Turkish investments, and whenever there is an opportunity for Turkish companies, they then are held up or forced away by countries that have an anti-Turkey stance or a stronger pro-GCC view, and if they are lucky they can take some portion.