Turkish Minister of National Defense Yaşar Güler: We are considering purchasing 40 Eurofighter Typhoons

[Gomig-21]

He thinks UCAVs are everything.

I know right, it's a Hollywood fantasy. UCAVs might be a thing in the waaaay distant future, but they're not, they're only as loyal wingmen and not even fully operational even with the United States, the unequivocal military innovator and fielder so the notion that "swarms" is somehow related to thousands of suicide drones operating from a safe area, including country command control, it's a fantasy ATM. At least no such thing HAS even taken place at the caliber these fellas are referring to lololol except in the silliest Morgan Freeman Gerlad Butler movie and believe me, there are several outfits preparing counteroffensives for that. Swarms ATM are designed for fireworks displays to make flying dragons and patriotic designs and writings in the sky and then some genius comes out and said it will become a major military asset that would be almost difficult or impossible to defeat. None of those 3 scenarios have panned out and if by some miracle they do, it won't be for a LOOOOOONG time if at all and the defensive measures for those will so tremendously easy as far as cluster munition SAMs or laser weapons or similar to the cluster ATGM. AND the source will be immediately determined and annihilated. So I wouldn't put an ounce of credence to the bull shit.

And they can carry ASW helicopters on their Mistral class helicopter carriers.

Funny how some (not you of course) think that there are no CIWS on our mistrals lmaaaaaooooo let olne some of the frigates! The worst part of all this is the tremendous lack of respect and inconsideration that we, the only country who actually fought the younger demon inception child of the United State who has no moral values as is what we've seen recently in Gaza and murdered genocide of women and babies has have the nerve to claim they're sitting ducks because they still don't have automated CIWS lmao. And when the EGY Military installed Avengers as a temp solution it was laughed at when the Israelis did the same thing with the SAAR ships but no one laughed at that, of course! The hypocrisy. Well, they did install 4 Avengers which are considered some of the best short range ADS missiles by AMERICA and in time will aquire eithr the naval automatic panzer or the Phalanx or a combo of both and they're sure not to use them in volatile sitatutions and when they do, there are 4 manned 50cl gatling gun operators of 24-day shifts for those pesky approaching water suicide drones. But we won't get in the way of these anti-Egyptians who constantly feel the need to not only incessantly bash Egypt but give it ZERO credit as if it's some stupid entity

AND SEAKINF OF STUPID EBTITIES, take a look at Global Firepower and I don't give a rat's *** about the legitimacy of this ranking but it's ALL OVER the internet and used and the Wall Street Journal and the NYT, MANY EURO TRASH and online publication and so it has its merits no matter what any goofball thinks.
Here's their TOP NAVAL LIST ONLY, not overall total military ranking, just NAVAL rankings. Let's take a look so many here don't get easily persuaded by this Turkish guy's conn job.

1) CHINA!!!! (not even the mighty US is in1st place but CHINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2) RUSSIA!!! (not what many wanted to hear because of the UKRO NAZIS droning one or two lmaaaao and that equals STORMS OF DRONS which has NEEVER HAPPENED!!!!!) So you can't use it agaisnt this discussion as some hypothetical.
3) NORTH KOREA (and we all know why
4) USA, get this the United States with it $650 BILLION yearly budget is at 6th!!!!!!!
5) SWEDEDN lmaaaao I wouldn't rank them in top 50 bunch of clowns.
6) INDONESHIA

Country

1
China
730
2
Russia
598
3
North Korea
519
4
United States
484
5
Sweden
367
6
Indonesia
324
7
Italy
313
8
India
295
9
Thailand
292
10
Sri Lanka
275
11
Colombia
265
12
Finland
246
13
Egypt
245
14
Myanmar
210
15
Algeria
201
16
Mexico
194
17
Bolivia
170
18
Spain
166
19
South Korea
157
20
Japan
155
21
Türkiye
154
22
Nigeria
136
23
France
126
24
Kuwait
123
25
Morocco
121
26
Greece
120
27
Taiwan
117
28
Pakistan
114
29

YES
Our UCAVs are everything

Egyptian or Hellenic Navy Frigates can not match with even KGK-82 guided Bombs with active radar seeker and warhead of 225 kg

range of 60+ km from AKINCI UCAVs
range of 110+ km from F-16 Fighter Jets


lethal and cost effective solution
View attachment 1032655


Also unmanned Kamikaze Vessels
and Unmanned Combat Vessels

Turkiye rules technology



Still dreaming about MISTRAL LHD will be destroyed in the first attack of the Turkish Armed Forces

YES
Our UCAVs are everything

Egyptian or Hellenic Navy Frigates can not match with even KGK-82 guided Bombs with active radar seeker and warhead of 225 kg

range of 60+ km from AKINCI UCAVs
range of 110+ km from F-16 Fighter Jets

Still dreaming about MISTRAL LHD will be destroyed in the first attack of the Turkish Armed Forces

I think this is inferior to Hellenic navy in almost every way,

What you have to understand is that Greek Armed Forces is almost exclusively designed to fight Turkey. That makes a big difference.

STRALES can not stop large scale of swarm attack .... not even close

Turkish Frigates have real CIWS such as 20mm PHALANX

But look at the Egyptians. They can just swarm the enemy with just their FAC

 

[LegionnairE]

And when the EGY Military installed Avengers as a temp solution it was laughed at when the Israelis did the same thing with the SAAR ships but no one laughed at that, of course! The hypocrisy. Well, they did install 4 Avengers which are considered some of the best short range ADS missiles by AMERICA

You quoted me but you didn't say anything, I'm not sure if you meant to

but Avenger is basically the same as Turkish Atılgan KMS, it was never deemed sufficient to be put on a naval platform, I think you can imagine why.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Italian Navy is so tiny to fight against the Turkish Armed Forces

Eastern Mediterranean = Turkiye's playzone


so funny FOINIKAS finally jumped The USA Navy ...

Hellenic Navy .. nope
Egyptian Navy ... nope
French Navy ... nope
Italian Navy ... nope

USA Navy can match with even Chinese Armed Forces in the Pacific

The USN will soon 100% focus on China only.

So you don't have to worry about the presence of the USN on the Mediterranean Sea.

 

[MMM-E]

Ok Guys lets go

​

Gomig-21 , Foinikas​

You either do not know or ignore Turkish UCAV technology and smart ammunition family

I know right, it's a Hollywood fantasy. UCAVs might be a thing in the waaaay distant future, but they're not,

American MQ-9 UCAV carry only 12 km HELLFIRE Missile and 22km Paveway IV laser-guided Bomb

Europe doesnt have its own UCAV yet

India doesnt have its own UCAV yet

Russian UCAVs have limited strike capability

China's new Wing Loong-3 UCAV has serious strike capability

Israel has great UCAV technology but no any long range strike capability yet


but Turkish UCAVs armed with long range munitions to hit everything including Air Defense Systems and Warships

Countries like Greece and Egypt can not stop great Turkish UCAV fire power



Turkish BAYKAR has production capability to produce 1 TB-2 UCAV daily
365 UCAVs annually


TB2 and TB-3 UCAVs

TB-2 can carry 2 KEMANKES mini cruise Missiles
TB-3 can carry 4 KEMANKES mini cruise Missiles

KEMANKES mini cruise Missile
Range : 250 km
E/O Camera
Artificial intelligence-supported autopilot system

Cost effective KEMANKES mini cruise Missile to hit enemy Radars, Air Defense Systems , Warships from safe distance in swarm attack

ANKA UCAV

200 km SIMSEK Kamikaze Drone

Cost effective SIMSEK Kamikaze Drone to hit enemy Radars, Air Defense Systems , Warships from safe distance in swarm attack

AKINCI UCAV

KGK-SIHA-82 guided Bomb for anti-ship role
Range : 60+ km
Seeker : active radar
Warhead : 225 kg

KGK-SIHA-82 guided Bomb to hit Warships

TOLUN-IIR guided munition
Range : 80 km
Seeker : IIR

Cost effective TOLUN-IIR to hit enemy Air Defense Systems , Warships from safe distance in swarm attack

CAKIR Cruise Missile
Range : 150 km
Seeker : hybrid IIR + RF

Cost effective CAKIR Cruise Missile to hit enemy Radars, Air Defense Systems , Warships from safe distance in swarm attack

IHA-230 supersonic Missile
Range : 150+ km
Guidance : GPS , INS , Laser seeker

Cost effective IHA-230 to hit enemy Air Defense Systems , Warships from safe distance in swarm attack

KUZGUN-TJ joint strike Missile
Range : 180+ km
Seeker : IIR or RF

Cost effective KUZGUN-TJ Missile to hit enemy Radars, Air Defense Systems , Warships from safe distance in swarm attack

SOM Cruise Missile
Range : 275 km
Warhead : 230 kg
Seeker : IIR

SOM cruise Missile to hit enemy Air Defense Systems , Warships from safe distance

Hellenic and Egyptian Navies are easy targets for 300 Turkish UCAVs if their Warships enter Turkish EEZ to fight Turkiye

Hellenic Navy ELLI and HYDRA class Frigates armed with only 16 x SAMs

Egyptian Navy FREMM Frigates armed with only 16 x SAMs

Egyptian Navy MEKO-A200 Frigates armed with only 32 x SAMs


Your Frigates never can match with large scale swarm attacks by hundreds of cost effective KGK-SIHA-82 , TOLUN-IIR , CAKIR , IHA-230 , KUZGUN-TJ , SIMSEK , KEMANKES

Even I am not talking about the land based Anti-ship Missiles , Turkish Air Force and the Turkish Navy which will attack on your Navies



Thanks to stupid USA which blocked sale of UCAV to Turkiye
now Turkiye is a drone super power in the world with its own superior UCAVs

sooner or later KAAN and KIZILELMA Fighter Jets will enter service
and Turkiye will become global player in defense industry

 

[CrazyZ]

SU-35's or J10's are available for purchase.

 

[MMM-E]

the silliest Morgan Freeman Gerlad Butler movie and believe me, there are several outfits preparing counteroffensives for that. Swarms ATM are designed for fireworks displays to make flying dragons and patriotic designs and writings in the sky and then some genius comes out and said it will become a major military asset that would be almost difficult or impossible to defeat.

İn a war everybody will see what will happen ....

Good luck to enemy soldiers .... most of them will be killed from 10-15 km away


Turkish tactical kamikaze Drones KARGU and ALPAGU are already in service

swarm attack mode

Lets do the math. 1 Vehicle is 48 Drones. Means that 1 battalion (30 Vehicles) will be able to fire 1440 Kamikaze Drones. That is some serious fire power.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The NATO-Turkey relationship is on a severe down-hill trend nowadays. The NATO is providing no leeway to Turkey. The Turkish government spokesperson has publicly stated: Hey USA, you aren't giving F-16s and blocking Eurofighters via Germany. You're providing air defense systems (Avenger) to the PKK terrorists in Syria. We can't let our defenses to be blackmailed.....

The British are trying their best to come up with a last-ditch solution to this fighter issue. In the worst case they may sell their Tranch-3 Eurofighter stocks to Turkey. The British PM has refused to meet his Greek counterpart...

The situation is in damn dire straits...

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The NATO-Turkey relationship is on a severe down-hill trend nowadays. The NATO is providing no leeway to Turkey. The Turkish government spokesperson has publicly stated: Hey USA, you aren't giving F-16s and blocking Eurofighters via Germany. You're providing air defense systems (Avenger) to the PKK terrorists in Syria. We can't let our defenses to be blackmailed.....

The British are trying their best to come up with a last-ditch solution to this fighter issue. In the worst case they may sell their Tranch-3 Eurofighter stocks to Turkey. The British PM has refused to meet his Greek counterpart...

The situation is in damn dire straits...

Once Turkiye has quitted NATO, it can cooperate with China.

China has the WS-10C turbofan engine (156 KN) to power KAAN, also the 40 MW QC-280ICR gas turbine to power the TF-2000.

I don't see anything lucrative for Turkiye to remain in NATO.

 

[Gomig-21]

But look at the Egyptians. They can just swarm the enemy with just their FAC

The whole concept of swarming enemy defense positions of even warships is such a Hollywood fantasy that so many here use as a strawman argument when all else fails. The only time "swarm drones" have ever been involved in any military scenario doesn't exist. But the fallacy works to convince other unfamiliar members of it. Last few times I ever saw synchronized swarms of drones was their performing visual allusion of dragons flying of Chinese & Saudi Arabian fireworks parade recognition and that's it. Defending against them is actually much easier than some think. So simple it's almost fire & forget with proximity fuses. 2 or 2 millies detonating within 300ft and like flies they'll fall one by one.

I'm quite fond of the Italian ships, certainly better than ours, but we have good relations with them and no reason to fight, making a comparison rather unnecessary. This is the first of 2 delivered to Egypt with 4 more slated as a potential add-on the current fleet.

That's exactly what I was thinking of. At this point the ways things have been going, why not work togherther instead of allowing these outside clowns create more of a rift between us. Really glad you noticed that.

And we have two Bergamini Frigates with 4 more to come. And yes it's well-equipped with several CIWS.

Not sure where the notion that ENS doesn't have any CIWS on large entire Egyptian? aaaaaaaaaBut at least me to set the record straight, but it still blows me anyway but then again, certain individuals have a predisposed hatred of Egypt and use ignorant comments like that to perpetuate the bad sentiment.

Despit that silliness, let's take a look at how the ENS is ranked 6th in the region. Granted this is from Global Firepower, but it the fundamental source for that and they gather specific statistics to come up with such rankings, so it has some credibility.

Egypt's ranking is at 13th while Türkiye is in 21st position for some reason.

There's a bias and the inevitable urge to mock and degrade Egypt capabilities which is such a terrible shame these individuals don't even have the wherewithal to research enough and at least have a fair understanding of all the dynamics as not just be blindly dismissive it.

Absolutely terrible and whomever said the Oliver Hassard clas & Nox class we don't operate the Panszir or even a custom-fit Phalanx operators mainly was mainly a halfass comment that many countries are not fielding their dedicate family sources but also unless we have those documents in real time, it would take more to conniving deterrent. But check out that chart will take you to that discussion with the nurse.

There are several VERY legitimate reasons to think why Egypt ONLY Egypt gets downgraded military equipment because they're so afraid the Jews can't handle themselves despite the assessment we gave them and the UNSC and even proved it. The US banned us from receiving AMRAAMs that suddenly it's assumed we suckass and much be laughed at when Türkiye is actually placed at

You quoted me but you didn't say anything, I'm not sure if you meant to

but Avenger is basically the same as Turkish Atılgan KMS, it was never deemed sufficient to be put on a naval platform, I think you can imagine why.

Yeah sorry, I meant to rearrange the post with your quote first which said something like those and other of the older ships don't have Phalanx when in fact they do amongst other types that many who like to downgrade them on purpose are wrong and that they do show them having them because the Egyptian Nazy is not some bamboozled outfit to be constantly mocked at for a lying reason. Mock them for something legitimate they deserve that, but to lie about it frankly pissed me off which is too bad, I shouldn't care less but my upbringing has always taught me to make sure I speak the truth, and not support fallacies. So that's what challenged these posts with this one which a better version of the same post with a better copy of ranking graph from GP but I will post pics to show either the phalanxes or other types of CIWS they carry that not too many know about. I'm only interested in the truth and not the common misconceptions of lying reasons.

I'll do a couple of these for now but the Lovely Missus is have a major meltdown from all the relentless cruelty that happened in Gaza and her passion of little chirldren living in horrible conditions exacerbated by their deaths all over the Internet has been making her cry uncontrollably for half the day today I had to call my son over the help me sooth and calm her and he's on his way with his fiancée hopefully they can take over and I can rest a bit.

Bergamini FEMM:
2x Leonardo OTO Melara 79 MM Davide/Strales guns for snti submarine warfare bust also All-Purpose Warfare which is the type we ordered since we have a slew of antiwarare AND even MCMs (Mine-Countering Measure) ships)

- 2 x Leonardo Otobreda 127/63 Vulcano and 1 x Leonardo OTO Melara 76 mm/62 Davide/Strales gun

1 French & 2 (soon to be 6) Bergamini FREMMs)

Btwen all one French and 2 Itlyan

Anti-air missiles: France: 4 FREMM-ASW (Aquitaine, Provence, Languedoc, Auvergne) with 16-cell MBDA SYLVER A43 VLS for 16 MBDA Aster 15 missiles; 2 FREMM-ASW (Bretagne and Normandie) fitted with 16-cell MBDA SYLVER A50 VLS for 16 MBDA Aster 15 or 30 missiles; 2 FREMM-AAW (Alsace and Lorraine) fitted with 32-cell MBDA SYLVER A50 VLS for 32 MBDA Aster 15 or 30 missiles. Italy: 16-cell MBDA SYLVER A50 VLS for 16 MBDA Aster 15 and 30 missiles Guns: France: 1 × Leonardo OTO Melara 76 mm SR gun Italy: 2 × Leonardo OTO Melara 76 mm/62 Davide/Strales guns (FREMM-ASW variant) 1 × Leonardo Otobreda 127/64 Vulcano and 1 × Leonardo OTO Melara 76 mm/62 Davide/Strales gun (FREMM-GP variant) Small guns: France: 3 × Nexter 20 mm Narwhal remote weapon systems Italy: 2 × Leonardo OTO Melara 25/80 turret with Oerlikon KBA 25mm as remote weapon station 4 MEKO A200 ATM with 2 more to come next year. And there are your CIWS systems

GOWIND 2000 4 ATM with 2 or many more to come depending on the agreement.

• 1 × OTO Melara 76 mm or Bofors 57 mm Naval Automatic Gun L/70
• 2 × Nexter Narwhal 20 mm or MSI DS30M 30 mm cannon
• 8 - 16 × VLS for VL MICA
• 4 - 8 × Exocet or Naval Strike Missile anti ship missile
• 2 × triple torpedo launcher

The 4GOwIND 2500s also carry the NARWHAL which I a stabilized 20mm gun turret was designed using Nexter's huge experience in light naval mounts and technologies for gun turrets used on helicopters (THL20 and THL30). provides short-range self-defense for French and Egyptian FREMM frigates

And some of the older ships we said? Well, mot of those are strictly hand-me0=downs of UN NAVY frigates and cruiser before they modified them into guided missile destroyers and so they came with the fundamental US-made CIWS. The Phalanz gatling gun.

EN Knox Class

They actually added an additional Phalanx to the forward bow deck in the 4 frigates with the new much improved radar they also upgraded.

Below Al Touchka used quite extensively and also part of the major overhaul which included the news AESA radar not seen in this pic but certainly had one of the best ICSW system.

So good job @Foinikas showing some appreciation for Egyptian Navale power but the usual blindfolds of denial are so brutally unable to remove even after presenting people with evidence that can hardly be more than that unless the get a live fire exercise demonstration.

Oh and of coure, the Ambassador MKs of which all 8 were strictly built for the EN, Not even the USN has a version of the solid attack ship.

 

[MMM-E]

I dont understand why is Egypt paying Billions of Dollars to buy pathetic Frigates ?


As like Egyptian F-16s without AIM-120 BVR Missile and land attack cruise Missile
As like Egyptian RAFALEs without METEOR BVR Missile

Pathetic FREMM Frigate armed with only 16 x SAMs and without CIWS . EW System


TAHYA MISR ( (FFG1001) .... French made FREMM Frigate
The SYLVER A70 VLS and NETTUNO-4100 jamming equipment were removed due to export limitations for such sensitive equipment

only armed with 16 x ASTER-15 SAMs with range of 35km
and 8 x EXOCET anti-ship Missiles

20mm NEXTER is not CIWS .... but remote weapon station (RWS)
NO CIWS

ENS Al-Galala (FFG 1002) .... Italian made FREMM Frigate

1x Otobreda 127mm naval Gun
1x OTO Melara 76/62 mm Davide/Strales CIWS gun

only armed with 16 x ASTER-15 SAMs with range of 35 km
and 8 x EXOCET anti-ship Missiles

ENS Al Qahhar (905) ... German made MEKO-A200 Frigate

NO CIWS
27mm Mauser BK-27 is not CIWS .. but caliber revolver cannon

armed with only 32 x MICA-NG VL SAMs with range of 40km
16 x EXOCET anti-ship Missiles

I dont know what about EW System ?

On the other Turkish Navy with superior Platforms

Modernized MEKO-200TN Frigates

1 X 127 mm Naval Gun
16 x ATMACA anti-ship Missiles
64 x ESSM SAMs
6 x Lightweight Torpedoes
-- Aselsan STOP 25mm Remote Controlled Stabilized Cannon System
-- PHALANX 20mm CIWS

ARES-2N Electronic Warfare System
ESM&ECM

ISTIF class Frigate

1 x 76 mm Gun
64 x HISAR-D Block2 SAMs ... ( with quad pack capability )
16 x ATMACA anti-ship Missiles
6 x ORKA Torpedos
1 x GOKDENIZ 35mm CIWS
2 x 25mm stabilized Guns

ARES-2N Electronic Warfare System
ESM&ECM

Turkish Naval Industry's contribution to making the Turks stronger and more dangerous gives the Turks a new dimension in their traditional geopolitical game in the Eastern Mediterranean


Even We are not talking about TF-2000 class Destroyer Project

Meet the MILGEM+ AS3600 Frigate

Length : 124 m
Beam : 14.42 m
Weight : 3.680 tons
Range : 4.500 nm

CENK-S AESA Radar
ALPER Navigation and LPI Radar
ADVENT Network Enabled Data Integrated Combat Management System
ARES-2N Electronic Warfare Suite
ESM&ECM
ASELSAN Piri IRST
SeaEye-AHTAPOT EO Reconnaisance and Survellience System
FERSAH Hull Mounted Sonar
HIZIR Torpedo counter measure System

1 x 76 mm Gun
64 cells MIDLAS VLS for
mix of 64 x HISAR-D Block2 and 48 x SIPER Block2 SAMs with range of 150 km
8 x ATMACA anti-ship Missiles
6 x ORKA Torpedos
1 x PDMS ( Point defense missile System )
1 x GOKDENIZ 35mm CIWS
2 x 25mm stabilized Guns
12 x ASW Rockets
8 x UMTAS Missiles

Unmanned Kamikaze Vessels
ASW Helicopter

2 x 32 cells MIDLAS VLS with quad pack capability .... ( 160 SAMs )

Mix of 128 x HISAR-D Block2 and 32 x SIPER Block2 SAMs with range of 150 km
or
Mix of 64 x HISAR-D Block2 and 48 x SIPER Block2 SAMs
or
Mix of 64 x HISAR-D Block2 and 32 x SIPER Block2 SAMs and 16 x GEZGIN or ATMACA Cruise Missiles

Turkiye would give better Warships to Egypt even with better price
and without any military equipment limitations such as EW System

 

[LegionnairE]

The whole concept of swarming enemy defense positions of even warships is such a Hollywood fantasy that so many here use as a strawman argument when all else fails. The only time "swarm drones" have ever been involved in any military scenario doesn't exist. But the fallacy works to convince other unfamiliar members of it. Last few times I ever saw synchronized swarms of drones was their performing visual allusion of dragons flying of Chinese & Saudi Arabian fireworks parade recognition and that's it. Defending against them is actually much easier than some think. So simple it's almost fire & forget with proximity fuses. 2 or 2 millies detonating within 300ft and like flies they'll fall one by one.



That's exactly what I was thinking of. At this point the ways things have been going, why not work togherther instead of allowing these outside clowns create more of a rift between us. Really glad you noticed that.

And we have two Bergamini Frigates with 4 more to come. And yes it's well-equipped with several CIWS.

Not sure where the notion that ENS doesn't have any CIWS on large entire Egyptian? aaaaaaaaaBut at least me to set the record straight, but it still blows me anyway but then again, certain individuals have a predisposed hatred of Egypt and use ignorant comments like that to perpetuate the bad sentiment.

Despit that silliness, let's take a look at how the ENS is ranked 6th in the region. Granted this is from Global Firepower, but it the fundamental source for that and they gather specific statistics to come up with such rankings, so it has some credibility.




Egypt's ranking is at 13th while Türkiye is in 21st position for some reason.

There's a bias and the inevitable urge to mock and degrade Egypt capabilities which is such a terrible shame these individuals don't even have the wherewithal to research enough and at least have a fair understanding of all the dynamics as not just be blindly dismissive it.

Absolutely terrible and whomever said the Oliver Hassard clas & Nox class we don't operate the Panszir or even a custom-fit Phalanx operators mainly was mainly a halfass comment that many countries are not fielding their dedicate family sources but also unless we have those documents in real time, it would take more to conniving deterrent. But check out that chart will take you to that discussion with the nurse.

There are several VERY legitimate reasons to think why Egypt ONLY Egypt gets downgraded military equipment because they're so afraid the Jews can't handle themselves despite the assessment we gave them and the UNSC and even proved it. The US banned us from receiving AMRAAMs that suddenly it's assumed we suckass and much be laughed at when Türkiye is actually placed at


Yeah sorry, I meant to rearrange the post with your quote first which said something like those and other of the older ships don't have Phalanx when in fact they do amongst other types that many who like to downgrade them on purpose are wrong and that they do show them having them because the Egyptian Nazy is not some bamboozled outfit to be constantly mocked at for a lying reason. Mock them for something legitimate they deserve that, but to lie about it frankly pissed me off which is too bad, I shouldn't care less but my upbringing has always taught me to make sure I speak the truth, and not support fallacies. So that's what challenged these posts with this one which a better version of the same post with a better copy of ranking graph from GP but I will post pics to show either the phalanxes or other types of CIWS they carry that not too many know about. I'm only interested in the truth and not the common misconceptions of lying reasons.

I'll do a couple of these for now but the Lovely Missus is have a major meltdown from all the relentless cruelty that happened in Gaza and her passion of little chirldren living in horrible conditions exacerbated by their deaths all over the Internet has been making her cry uncontrollably for half the day today I had to call my son over the help me sooth and calm her and he's on his way with his fiancée hopefully they can take over and I can rest a bit.

View attachment 1033028
Bergamini FEMM:
2x Leonardo OTO Melara 79 MM Davide/Strales guns for snti submarine warfare bust also All-Purpose Warfare which is the type we ordered since we have a slew of antiwarare AND even MCMs (Mine-Countering Measure) ships)

- 2 x Leonardo Otobreda 127/63 Vulcano and 1 x Leonardo OTO Melara 76 mm/62 Davide/Strales gun

1 French & 2 (soon to be 6) Bergamini FREMMs)







Btwen all one French and 2 Itlyan

Anti-air missiles: France: 4 FREMM-ASW (Aquitaine, Provence, Languedoc, Auvergne) with 16-cell MBDA SYLVER A43 VLS for 16 MBDA Aster 15 missiles; 2 FREMM-ASW (Bretagne and Normandie) fitted with 16-cell MBDA SYLVER A50 VLS for 16 MBDA Aster 15 or 30 missiles; 2 FREMM-AAW (Alsace and Lorraine) fitted with 32-cell MBDA SYLVER A50 VLS for 32 MBDA Aster 15 or 30 missiles. Italy: 16-cell MBDA SYLVER A50 VLS for 16 MBDA Aster 15 and 30 missiles Guns: France: 1 × Leonardo OTO Melara 76 mm SR gun Italy: 2 × Leonardo OTO Melara 76 mm/62 Davide/Strales guns (FREMM-ASW variant) 1 × Leonardo Otobreda 127/64 Vulcano and 1 × Leonardo OTO Melara 76 mm/62 Davide/Strales gun (FREMM-GP variant) Small guns: France: 3 × Nexter 20 mm Narwhal remote weapon systems Italy: 2 × Leonardo OTO Melara 25/80 turret with Oerlikon KBA 25mm as remote weapon station 4 MEKO A200 ATM with 2 more to come next year. And there are your CIWS systems

GOWIND 2000 4 ATM with 2 or many more to come depending on the agreement.

• 1 × OTO Melara 76 mm or Bofors 57 mm Naval Automatic Gun L/70
• 2 × Nexter Narwhal 20 mm or MSI DS30M 30 mm cannon
• 8 - 16 × VLS for VL MICA
• 4 - 8 × Exocet or Naval Strike Missile anti ship missile
• 2 × triple torpedo launcher

The 4GOwIND 2500s also carry the NARWHAL which I a stabilized 20mm gun turret was designed using Nexter's huge experience in light naval mounts and technologies for gun turrets used on helicopters (THL20 and THL30). provides short-range self-defense for French and Egyptian FREMM frigates




And some of the older ships we said? Well, mot of those are strictly hand-me0=downs of UN NAVY frigates and cruiser before they modified them into guided missile destroyers and so they came with the fundamental US-made CIWS. The Phalanz gatling gun.

EN Knox Class


They actually added an additional Phalanx to the forward bow deck in the 4 frigates with the new much improved radar they also upgraded.

Below Al Touchka used quite extensively and also part of the major overhaul which included the news AESA radar not seen in this pic but certainly had one of the best ICSW system.



So good job @Foinikas showing some appreciation for Egyptian Navale power but the usual blindfolds of denial are so brutally unable to remove even after presenting people with evidence that can hardly be more than that unless the get a live fire exercise demonstration.

Oh and of coure, the Ambassador MKs of which all 8 were strictly built for the EN, Not even the USN has a version of the solid attack ship.

Bro, you're rambling a lot, and @MMM-E has this weird habit of copy pasting everything from wikipedia, that's not necessary, a quick glance at the active ships list gives you an idea of what you're dealing with. Please just get to the point.

Nobody here gives a shit about country rankings.

At a quick glance, Egypt still operates Knox class that both Turkey and Greece retired years ago, and it operates Romeo class submarines that resembles Type XXI. It's not a rocket science to figure out where you're at. I don't mean any disrespect but you're not operating at our level yet.

 

[MMM-E]

and @MMM-E has this weird habit of copy pasting everything from wikipedia,

Gomig-21 , Foinikas copy pasting everything from wikipedia

I show the reality ....like this
Egyptian FREMM Frigates armed with only 16x ASTER-15 SAMs
because French SYLVER VLS doesnt have quad pack capability for ASTER-15 Missile

American MK-41 VLS has quad pack capability for ESSM Missile
Turkish MIDLAS VLS will have quad pack capability for HISAR-D Block2 Missile


144 m Italian made FREMM Frigate has only 16 cells VLS without quad pack capability
only 16 x ASTER-15 SAMs with range of 35 km

124 m Turkish made MILGEM+ AS3600 Frigate will have 64 cells VLS with quad pack capability
Mix of 128 x HISAR-D Block2 and 32 x SIPER Block2 SAMs with range of 150 km

Turkish AS3600 Frigate : 160 SAMs (with superior range and capability)
Egyptian Navy FREMM Friagates : 16 SAMs

Turkish Navy modernized MEKO-200TN Frigate : 64 SAMs
Turkish Navy ISTIF Frigates will have : 64 SAMs

 

[LegionnairE]

Egyptian FREMM Frigates armed with only 16x ASTER-15 SAMs

And he copy pastes shit from wikipedia

 

[Foinikas]

he whole concept of swarming enemy defense positions of even warships is such a Hollywood fantasy that so many here use as a strawman argument when all else fails. The only time "swarm drones" have ever been involved in any military scenario doesn't exist. But the fallacy works to convince other unfamiliar members of it. Last few times I ever saw synchronized swarms of drones was their performing visual allusion of dragons flying of Chinese & Saudi Arabian fireworks parade recognition and that's it. Defending against them is actually much easier than some think. So simple it's almost fire & forget with proximity fuses. 2 or 2 millies detonating within 300ft and like flies they'll fall one by one.

If you're talking about MMM-E,I agree with you. If you're talking about me,I meant swarm them with your Fast Attack Craft.

Gomig-21 , Foinikas copy pasting everything from wikipedia

I show the reality ....like this
Egyptian FREMM Frigates armed with only 16x ASTER-15 SAMs
because French SYLVER VLS doesnt have quad pack capability for ASTER-15 Missile

American MK-41 VLS has quad pack capability for ESSM Missile
Turkish MIDLAS VLS will have quad pack capability for HISAR-D Block2 Missile


144 m Italian made FREMM Frigate has only 16 cells VLS without quad pack capability
only 16 x ASTER-15 SAMs with range of 35 km

124 m Turkish made MILGEM+ AS3600 Frigate will have 64 cells VLS with quad pack capability
Mix of 128 x HISAR-D Block2 and 32 x SIPER Block2 SAMs with range of 150 km

Turkish AS3600 Frigate : 160 SAMs (with superior range and capability)
Egyptian Navy FREMM Friagates : 16 SAMs

Turkish Navy modernized MEKO-200TN Frigate : 64 SAMs
Turkish Navy ISTIF Frigates will have : 64 SAMs

You still think that whoever has more SAMs wins in naval warfare.

 

[MMM-E]

And he copy pastes shit from wikipedia

Egyptian Navy
142-144 m Italian-French made FREMM Frigates have only 16 cells VLS without quad pack capability
only 16 x ASTER-15 SAMs with range of 35 km

124 m Turkish made MILGEM+ AS3600 Frigate will have 64 cells VLS with quad pack capability
Mix of 128 x HISAR-D Block2 and 32 x SIPER Block2 SAMs with range of 150 km

Also Turkish AS-3600 Frigate has extra fire power

1 x PDMS ( Point defense missile System )
1 x GOKDENIZ 35mm CIWS
12 x ASW Rockets
8 x UMTAS Missiles

unmammed Kamikaze Drones

and ARES-2N Electronic Warfare Suite
ESM&ECM


Well Done our Defense Industry
finally a very successful platform design with a great fire power which is better than even French HORIZON class Destroyer and British Type45 Destroyer