Turkish man killed under severe torture in Dutch police station

[ovarel]

Have the Turkish media reported the incident this weekend in Rijssen where 5 Turkish boys had beaten a Dutch boy to death?

is it relevant to the issue?does it justify a murder(if it happened) by the police?

 

[Penguin]

Only looked at thread page 1 then skipped to here after googling the deceased individual's name.

There is a report in Dutch in national newsweekly ELSEVIER of 11 july 2011
Elsevier.nl - Nederland - Gearresteerde Turk niet overleden door politiegeweld
Translation here

There is also a report in Dutch in national daily newspaper TROUW of 11 july 2011
Dibi wil inzage in onderzoek naar dood Turkse man - Politiek - TROUW
Translation here

Original article in the regional newspaper Noord Hollands Dagblad
NHD - Dood Ihsan Gürz leidt tot wilde geruchtenstroom
Translation here

Article in a area local newspaper Haarlems Dagblad
http://www.haarlemsdagblad.nl/nieuw...e/’Veel-onrust-IJmuiden-door-dood-Ihsan-Gürz’
Translation here

So:
- attention in the Dutch press at all levels
- questions asked in the Dutch parliament (i.e. official investigation will get scrutinized)
- cause of death: under official investigation
- thusfar no indications of police wrong doing.

Beverwijk is just a few miles from where I live.

 

[Penguin]

is it relevant to the issue?does it justify a murder(if it happened) by the police?

It is relevant in as far as balanced reporting/discussing is concerned, yes.
Does it justify anything, no.

 

[Penguin]

Who is responsible for the presence of drugs in jail????

Who said the drugs were in jail (where, incidentally, it is NOT difficult to acquire drugs ....)

 

[ovarel]

It is relevant in as far as balanced reporting/discussing is concerned, yes.

No its not relevant.We are discussing the man died in Dutch police station.

But it may be relevant in as far as "urine race" is concerned.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

an increasingly troublesome country for Muslim immigrants....

gecmis olsun; they should be boycotted completely. What do they have there anyways apart from a few coffee shops and bicycles?

 

[silko]

an increasingly troublesome country for Muslim immigrants....

gecmis olsun; they should be boycotted completely. What do they have there anyways apart from a few coffee shops and bicycles?

well, they happen to have a bigger economy than us! how can that small country with 7 times less people have a bigger economy?

 

[Penguin]

No its not relevant.We are discussing the man died in Dutch police station.

But it may be relevant in as far as "urine race" is concerned.

And jumping to conclusions.

 

[Penguin]

You still fail to explain how he got the drug in prison. I am pretty sure the prisons have security cameras, so I am more curious to know if those show anything. In regards to the young turk who died at the police station the same applies, they must have security cameras, unless they destroyed the evidence, it'll be there to watch.

He didn't get the dope in prison.

But that would not be a problem if he did:

It's common knowledge that drug use in prisons is rife

By the ministry's own admission, drugs are regularly smuggled into prison despite being strictly forbidden. Current measures include x-ray baggage controls and searches by hand. Normally detainees cannot be frisked without reason, but strip searches do take place on renowned offenders.

Dutch get tough on drug use in prisons < Expats Amsterdam | Expatica The Netherlands

 

[asad71]

I'm amazed by the fact. Whenever a person die in Police custody, they say it was due to Heart attack, i thought this happen only in Pak-Indo or South Asian Police. Now i Realize it's a universal fact.

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Actually our cops are "firistas"/angels compared to theirs. Culturally we believe in "raham"/kindness/compassion which is absent in the WCC. But their media has been inflating our shortcomings, and at the same time, covering up their own misdeeds.

 

[Penguin]

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Actually our cops are "firistas"/angels compared to theirs. Culturally we believe in "raham"/kindness/compassion which is absent in the WCC. But their media has been inflating our shortcomings, and at the same time, covering up their own misdeeds.

bla bla bla

Aside from being based on supposition rather than proof, what does this entire thread have to do with Turkey and Defence?

 

[Zulkarneyn]

well, they happen to have a bigger economy than us! how can that small country with 7 times less people have a bigger economy?

Get your facts right, Netherlands do not have bigger economy than Turkey, and it is not 7 times smaller than Turkey population wise. 70/17= 4. Which means Turkey has 4 times the population of Netherlands. And economically if we take PPP Turkey's eceonomy is two times bigger.

 

[silko]

Get your facts right, Netherlands do not have bigger economy than Turkey, and it is not 7 times smaller than Turkey population wise. 70/17= 4. Which means Turkey has 4 times the population of Netherlands. And economically if we take PPP Turkey's eceonomy is two times bigger.

turkey is more like 80 million!

and i was loking at wikipedia so... XD

 

[Penguin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
Countries by GDP (PPP)

List by the International Monetary Fund (2010)
16 Turkey 960,511
21 Netherlands 676,895

List by the World Bank (2010)
15 Turkey 1,115,994
20 Netherlands 705,601

List by the CIA World Factbook (2010)
16 Turkey 960,500
21 Netherlands 676,900

Using a PPP basis is arguably more useful when comparing generalized differences in living standards on the whole between nations because PPP takes into account the relative cost of living and the inflation rates of the countries, rather than using just exchange rates which may distort the real differences in income.

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita

International Monetary Fund (2010
10 Netherlands 47,172
57 Turkey 10,399

World Bank (2009)
10 Netherlands 47,917
57 Turkey 8,215

CIA World Factbook (2000&#8211;2010)
15 Netherlands 45,900 2010 est.
63 Turkey 9,400 2010 est.

The figures presented here do not take into account differences in the cost of living in different countries, and the results can vary greatly from one year to another based on fluctuations in the exchange rates of the country's currency. Such fluctuations may change a country's ranking from one year to the next, even though they often make little or no difference to the standard of living of its population. Therefore these figures should be used with caution.

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita

International Monetary Fund (2010)
9 Netherlands 40,765
64 Turkey 13,464

World Bank (2009-10)
8 Netherlands 42,447 2010
51 Turkey 14,741 2010

CIA World Factbook (1993-2010)
14 Netherlands 40,300 2010 est.
73 Turkey 12,300 2010 est.

 

[Cloakedvessel]

I think certain Turkish politicians and media should apologize:

Nieuws.nl - Arrestant overleed door hartfalen

Arrestant overleed door hartfalen

(Novum) - De 22-jarige arrestant uit Heemskerk die begin deze maand overleed nadat hij onwel werd in een politiecel in Beverwijk, is bezweken aan hartfalen. Uit onderzoek van de rijksrecherche blijkt niets van mishandeling van de man. Dat meldt het Openbaar Ministerie in Haarlem. Eerder beweerde familie van de man dat de politie hem had gemarteld.

De man, van Turkse komaf, werd in de nacht van zaterdag 2 juli aangehouden in Beverwijk nadat hij door het lint ging in een snackbar. De man had cocaïne gebruikt en agenten moesten hem drie stompen verkopen voordat ze zijn handboeien om kregen.

Onderweg naar het politiebureau werd de Heemskerker weer gewelddadig. Hij werd in de politiebus op zijn buik op de vloer gelegd om hem in bedwang te houden. Het OM vindt dat het geweld dat de agenten op de man hebben toegepast nodig was om hem aan te kunnen houden en veilig over te brengen naar het bureau.

Op het politiebureau werd hij in een observatiecel gezet. Een arrestantenverzorger heeft de man voortdurend via een camera in de gaten gehouden. Twee keer is een arts bij hem geweest. Toen de man ineens niet meer ademde, werd hij direct gereanimeerd. Het lukte zijn hart weer op gang te krijgen, maar korte tijd later overleed de man toch in een ziekenhuis.

De dood van de man veroorzaakte veel ophef. De familie van de 22-jarige Heemskerker beweerde dat agenten hem hadden gemarteld. Turkse media spraken schande van de zaak. Het OM stelt donderdag de eerste resultaten naar het overlijden van de man alvast naar buiten te hebben gebracht vanwege de ontstane onrust.

Eerder werd onder meer ook gemeld dat op de borst van de man een schoenafdruk zou staan. De verwondingen van de man op zijn borst komen volgens het Nederlands Forensisch Instituut (NFI) vermoedelijk door de reanimatiepoging. Ook de gebroken ribben van de man zijn daardoor te verklaren.

De man zou ook een gebroken neus hebben gehad, maar dat klopt volgens het NFI niet. De man had verder een schaafwond op zijn hoofd. Dat zou komen doordat de man tijdens zijn aanhouding en in zijn cel over de grond heeft geschuurd.

Dat de man uiteindelijk overleed komt volgens het OM mogelijk doordat de man een hartafwijking had. Bovendien was zijn hart te zwaar. Dit kan fatale hartritmestoornissen veroorzaken. Dat de man onder invloed was van cocaïne is een andere mogelijke oorzaak van het hartfalen.

De man was overigens een bekende van de politie. Een jaar eerder was hij ook al aangehouden toen hij onder invloed van cocaïne agressief werd. Agenten pakten hem thuis op, nadat zijn ouders de politie hadden gebeld.

Google translate:

Arrestant died of heart failure


(AP) - The 22-year-old arrested earlier this month from Heemskerk who died after he became unwell in a police cell in Beverwijk, succumbed to heart failure. A study of the Recherche shows no mistreatment of the man. Reported that the Public Prosecution Service in Haarlem. Previously claimed that the family of the man police had tortured him.

The man, of Turkish origin, was the night of Saturday, July 2 arrested in Beverley after he went over the edge into a snack bar. The man had used cocaine and agents had him three stumps are sold before they were handcuffed.

On the way to the police, the violent Heemskerker again. He was in the police van on his stomach on the floor put him in restraints. The prosecution believes that the violence that police officers have used the man was needed to keep him safe and transfer them to the office.

At the police station he was put into a observatiecel. A carer has arrested the man a camera constantly being watched. Two times a doctor visited him. Then suddenly the man was not breathing, he was immediately resuscitated. Succeeded his heart going again, but died a short time later the man still in hospital.

The death of the man caused quite a stir. The family of 22-year-old Heemskerker claimed that officers had tortured him. Turkish media spoke shame of the matter. The prosecution has argued Thursday the first results to the death of the man already out to have been created because of the unrest.

Earlier it was reported that among other things, on the chest of the man would be a shoe print. The wounds of the man on his chest out in the Dutch Forensic Institute (NFI), probably due to the resuscitation attempt. The broken ribs are therefore of the man explained.

The man would also have had a broken nose, but this is not according to the NFI. The man also had a wound on his head. That would be because the man during his arrest and in his cell on the ground is sanded.

The man finally died, according to the OM is possible because the husband had a heart defect. Moreover, his heart heavy. This can cause fatal cardiac arrhythmias. The man under the influence of cocaine is another possible cause of heart failure.

The man was also known to the police. A year earlier he had also been arrested under the influence of cocaine when he was aggressive. Agents took him home after his parents had called the police.