Turkey’s Expansionist Policy Exposed

[xenon54 out]

The article cites fourteen references. You didn't dispute even one of them. And the author is a former senior intelligence assessor for the Israeli military, so what he writes doubtless has policy implications.

Its actually 3-4 sources quoted multiple times all from countries that have beef with Turkey and also without free media so...
And about the author, well if anything then this makes the suspicion even bigger.

 

[Solomon2]

Its actually 3-4 sources quoted multiple times all from countries that have beef with Turkey and also without free media so...
And about the author, well if anything then this makes the suspicion even bigger.

So you've got nothing.

 

[-SINAN-]

So you've got nothing.

Same as you....you are just writing sentences on the forum.

 

[xenon54 out]

So you've got nothing.

And the article got anything? Its all words and some blurry pictures, should we take it as gospel because a former Israeli soldier quotes Egyptian, Emirati and Saudi sources?

Its not worth the paper as long as there is no real evidence and sry but blurry pictures of some boxes in a container is no evidence.
You are the champion of democracy in this forum, dont forget the ''innocent till proven guilty'' resolution.

You guys have been accusing Turkey of supporting isis for years in this forum, in the end it turned out that Turkey was one of the few countries that actively fought isis.
Now the cycle repeats again with new stuff...
Sy but this is how much i give on your opinion.


Edit: ok i made the effort to prove my point, the ''guns'' they have found are actually blank guns...

Attempt to smuggle Turkish weapons into Libya foiled

P29 Rev2 9mm Blank Firing Gun Semi Automatic - Voltran | Ekol

@Sinan Turkey is doing expansionist policy with blank guns.

@Solomon2 it took me 2min. of google reverse search of the pics to prove the fake news, you could have done the same instead of playing the smartazz here.

@Swordbreaker12 here is my answer to your question.

 

[-SINAN-]

@Solomon2 it took me 2min. of google reverse search for the pics to prove the fake news, you could have done the same instead of playing the smartazz here.

No, he really likes to waste other people's time....

@Solomon2 makes a random allegation and wants you to refute his claim, otherwise he decleares himself "talking about the facts". When you took your time and refute his claim, he pretends like, nothing had happened.

That's the 10 year story of the Solomon.

 

[xenon54 out]

No, he really likes to waste other people's time....

@Solomon2 makes a random allegation and wants you to refute his claim, otherwise he decleares himself "talking about the facts". When you took your time and refute his claim, he pretends like, nothing had happened.

That's the 10 year story of the Solomon.

I bet i will be punished with eternal silence now.

 

[Solomon2]

Edit: ok i made the effort to prove my point, the ''guns'' they have found are actually blank guns...

And did the gov't of Turkey point this out at the time? It's not obvious to the casual onlooker that these are toys rather than the real thing - even if they were packed among toys themselves. (In America, toy guns usually look obviously different from the real thing.) I don't think the Turkish gov't did, or else this shipment wouldn't be an example in the article.

And if the Turkish gov't didn't point that out at the time then we return to my previous point: that Turkish gov't spokesmen aren't as competent as posters like @Sinan and yourself here at PDF and such incompetence is therefore breeding needless suspicions of Turkish gov't motives.

 

[-SINAN-]

And did the gov't of Turkey point this out at the time? It's not obvious to the casual onlooker that these are toys rather than the real thing - even if they were packed among toys themselves. (In America, toy guns usually look obviously different from the real thing.) I don't think the Turkish gov't did, or else this shipment wouldn't be an example in the article.

And if the Turkish gov't didn't point that out at the time then we return to my previous point: that Turkish gov't spokesmen aren't as competent as posters like @Sinan and yourself here at PDF and such incompetence is breeding needless suspicions of Turkish gov't motives.

And thanks again for wasting our time....like you did 100 times earlier.... I sometimes think that your sole existence on this forum is to waste others time.

 

[xenon54 out]

And did the gov't of Turkey point this out at the time? It's not obvious to the casual onlooker that these are toys rather than the real thing - even if they were packed among toys themselves. (In America, toy guns usually look obviously different from the real thing.) I don't think the Turkish gov't did, or else this shipment wouldn't be an example in the article.

And if the Turkish gov't didn't point that out at the time then we return to my previous point: that Turkish gov't spokesmen aren't as competent as posters like @Sinan and yourself here at PDF and such incompetence is therefore breeding needless suspicions of Turkish gov't motives.

Its blank gun and by no means a toy gun yet it is nothing illegal.

Who said the shipment is from Turkish goverment? how do you know the goverment is involved in any way?
If Turkey wanted to send weapon to rebells in Libya for expansionist policies then they would send the real deal not some blank guns...

You accuse and ask to prove innocent while in real world the burden of proof lies on those who make the accusation.

 

[Solomon2]

And thanks again for wasting our time....like you did 100 times earlier....

I didn't post the article.

 

[xenon54 out]

I didn't post the article.

Yet you talk as if you knew anything when we call fake news as they are.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

That's why no Arabs like them, they got their dirty hands in everybody's business while doing fake morale lip service to Palestinians - dreaming get the Ottoman back

Turkey claims as the defender of all Muslims , truth is China has very friendly relations with every single Muslim country around the world, yes,again, every single Muslim country, while many Muslim countries hate Turkey to the core.

If you take a look at most of the Arab countries that 'hate' Turkey, it's the ones that have dictatorships in place. Turkey's support for the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt was support for a democratically elected government. That government was overthrown via a military coup. Turkey's own struggle against military rule plays a part in how it views these regimes.

 

[Solomon2]

Its blank gun and by no means a toy gun yet it is nothing illegal.

So it could be used by a terrorist to threaten people but not actually kill them, got it.

Who said the shipment is from Turkish goverment? how do you know the goverment is involved in any way?

Excellent point. Note that in at least one of the al-Arabiya articles Turkish gov't involvement is simply assumed; no evidence is cited.

If Turkey wanted to send weapon to rebells in Libya for expansionist policies then they would send the real deal not some blank guns...

Don't you wonder why someone would ship blank pistols into a war zone? Who would pay for that?

You accuse and ask to prove innocent while in real world the burden of proof lies on those who make the accusation.

I'm a Zionist. It seems I'm almost always assumed guilty and "the burden of proof" lies on me to prove otherwise, yes? That's the world of antisemitic hatred and I'd like to see that changed. Since you don't like being treated this way either can I count on your support?

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Turkey's support for the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt was support for a democratically elected government.

Democracy is invalid when the population is largely illiterate and too ignorant to know what's good for them.

That government was overthrown via a military coup.

Good. Sisi saved Egypt from becoming a failed, terrorist state.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Democracy is invalid when the population is largely illiterate and too ignorant to know what's good for them.

That should be for the people to decide.

Good. Sisi saved Egypt from becoming a failed, terrorist state.

That's a very broad assumption. The MB never got a chance to govern so we'll never know.