Turkey’s Erdogan slams birth control as ‘treason’

[Always Neutral]

What does that quote have to do with having kids?

Ataturk said that womans most important duty is motherhood. What now?
Kadının en büyük vazifesi analıktır (Ataturk)

The west has proved that women have the choice to make babies or not and in what quantity.

Can you guys pls leave Atatürk out of this, thx.

Why when this fat rascal is doing everything against what Ataturk stood for?

 

[xenon54 out]

The west has proved that women have the choice to make babies or not and in what quantity.

And so is it in Turkey, i dont think any couple out there thinks about Erdogans words when they are in bed.

Why when this fat rascal is doing everything against what Ataturk stood for?

That would be a long debate, better leave it.

 

[Hakan]

Please read it again as it is in English. It allows woman to have a choice on their bodies and stop being baby factories of fat Turkish men.

Im pointing out to you that the quote you put has nothing to do with reproduction. Your implying that if a woman has kids then she isnt participating in society. That argument doesnt make sense because if all women went with that logic humans would become extinct.

And no one is forcing anyone to have kids.

Western countries have had to import people from other countries to make up for not having enough kids, now those same countries where the west got its immigrants from are experiencing slower birth rates.

 

[usernameless]

Saying "Make 3 children " is a very easy thing for him.... After all i can't send my children to US Private Universities with donations like him....

After birth, state gives a 4 months paid vacation to mother.....after then what ??? What about the expenses ? I want my children to be well educated and have a decent profession. It means Max: 2 Children for me. And i'm above mid-class... Government gives almost no support but wants several children.....I think he lost touch with the reality.

There was joke on the internet about this issue..... "Make 3 Children. We need workers to die in the mines"

Most of my friend has 1 children, some got 2. Nobody wants to make the 3rd children.

That is also correct. It also becomes more complicated when more women join the workforce, which is now starting to happen more and more in Turkey afaik. Govt should come up with solid realistic measures, but ideally speaking at least 3 children are going to be needed to keep Turkey young.

Turkey has a healthy population growth at the moment, not too much but also not too less, expecting a bigger growth is just as stupid as expecting less.

The population grows, like pretty much everywhere, but the age pyramid is slowly shifting. EU already has the aging problem and they are going to need more migrants to make up for their shortage. Google 'Turkiye yaslaniyor' and you can find many articles about Turkey slowly aging while our economy and indicators need way more time to catch up with certain West european countries. Saying Turkey will face similar fate like that of some European countries is too early, but we should take note of what happens in other countries and implement measures to avoid such problems for as much we can.

 

[atatwolf]

That is also correct. It also becomes more complicated when more women join the workforce, which is now starting to happen more and more in Turkey afaik. Govt should come up with solid realistic measures, but ideally speaking at least 3 children are going to be needed to keep Turkey young.


The population grows, like pretty much everywhere, but the age pyramid is slowly shifting. EU already has the aging problem and they are going to need more migrants to make up for their shortage. Google 'Turkiye yaslaniyor' and you can find many articles about Turkey slowly aging while our economy and indicators need way more time to catch up with certain West european countries. Saying Turkey will face similar fate like that of some European countries is too early, but we should take note of what happens in other countries and implement measures to avoid such problems for as much we can.

Europe is also going to face a crises on the long term. Their population is rapidly aging and there won't be enough young people in the future to pay the pension of the old people. For Europe it is too late simply because there won't be enough workers and tax revenue to pay for the proportionally bigger pensioners. They will have to lower their living standards in the future if they like it or not. Problem with China is much bigger. They are aging much faster than Europeans because one child policy while being a third world country. Turkey on the other hand is on the pivot point. It can go either way.

 

[Judge]

Turkey's TFR is absolutely perfect right now - its almost 2.1 ie replacement level.

That means Turkey will not face the problem of a rapidly aging population. Young people will keep joining the workforce at the same rate as the older ones retire.

All Turkey has to do is maintain its current TFR and it will become a rich nation in a few decades.

You have no idea of the perils of overpopulation - ask any Indian. It is highly degrading. It is better to be slightly underpopulated but with great living conditions rather than having hordes living in poor conditions like in South Asia.

India is trying to achieve the perfect 2.1 TFR.

 

[500]

Govt. should set better encouragements in financial way, recently they made some progress, working mothers can be retired 10 years earlier and some aid for 3+ children families. This is not enough cos law orders 5 children for earlt retirement. This and other steps like money aid will boost birth rate in long term. The state should guarantee 3+ children families' (some percentage of) expenses. Otherwise it's aimless to breed like kurds and new addition to workless class as thieves, gang members...

Can you tell us how, please.

Financial encouragements will boost the birth rate of low quality people only. Educated people wont make more children for 200$.

 

[Echo_419]

Saying "Make 3 children " is a very easy thing for him.... After all i can't send my children to US Private Universities with donations like him....

After birth, state gives a 4 months paid vacation to mother.....after then what ??? What about the expenses ? I want my children to be well educated and have a decent profession. It means Max: 2 Children for me. And i'm above mid-class... Government gives almost no support but wants several children.....I think he lost touch with the reality.

There was joke on the internet about this issue..... "Make 3 Children. We need workers to die in the mines"

Most of my friend has 1 children, some got 2. Nobody wants to make the 3rd children.

Geez you already got 2 of those things & now Govt wants you to make another one
WTF

 

[xenon54 out]

The population grows, like pretty much everywhere, but the age pyramid is slowly shifting. EU already has the aging problem and they are going to need more migrants to make up for their shortage. Google 'Turkiye yaslaniyor' and you can find many articles about Turkey slowly aging while our economy and indicators need way more time to catch up with certain West european countries. Saying Turkey will face similar fate like that of some European countries is too early, but we should take note of what happens in other countries and implement measures to avoid such problems for as much we can.

Aging population in case of Turkey isnt necessarily bad, Turkey at the moment has a too young population anyway, it has also its shadow sides such as unemployment, crime rate etc. you need at least 2 children per woman to keep the population growth, so 2,5 children per women is ideal, everything below or above is bad.

 

[Luffy 500]

What a leader masha'Allah . Allah (swt) have blessed turkey with a good leader. He isn't afraid to speak the truth and after consolidating his grip on power, is increasingly becoming assertive in recent times which is turning out to be good for turkey. Following western mentality and appeasing feminist idiots will destroy society as proven by the morally degraded and aging population of most of the western world and recently china. Pagan India is not far behind with their enthusiasm with female infanticide.

Islam encourages muslims to have as many children as possible unless it may cause harm to the mother.

Using the birth control pill and the coil - islamqa.info

 

[xenon54 out]

What a leader masha'Allah . Allah (swt) have blessed turkey with a good leader. He isn't afraid to speak the truth and after consolidating his grip on power, is increasingly becoming assertive in recent times which is turning out to be good for turkey. Following western mentality and appeasing feminist idiots will destroy society as proven by the morally degraded and aging population of most of the western world and recently china. Pagan India is not far behind with their enthusiasm with female infanticide.

Islam encourages muslims to have as many children as possible unless it may cause harm to the mother.

Using the birth control pill and the coil - islamqa.info

And why exactly should it be desirable to make as much children as you can only because it didnt harm your wife?

 

[Luffy 500]

And why exactly should it be desirable to make as much children as you can only because it didnt harm your wife?

Go & read the Islamqa link i gave in my post. Won't take much of your time bro.

 

[xenon54 out]

Go & read the Islamqa link i gave in my post. Won't take much of your time bro.

Dont you think that Bangladesh is already over populated enough?

 

[atatwolf]

Aging population in case of Turkey isnt necessarily bad, Turkey at the moment has a too young population anyway, it has also its shadow sides such as unemployment, crime rate etc. you need at least 2 children per woman to keep the population growth, so 2,5 children per women is ideal, everything below or above is bad.

If the economy grows proportionally to the growth of the population of people then there won't be unemployment, or crime because of poverty. Basic economics.

 

[Luffy 500]

Dont you think that Bangladesh is already over populated enough?

I don't think its a problem.