TURKEY'S ERDOGAN: ISRAEL WAS ORIGINALLY MOSTLY PALESTINIAN

[Dubious]

jews were promised this land by Allah.

Even according to the bible and Quran Jews were promised the land ONLY on the condition they keep the commandment...THOU shalt not kill is 1 command they have failed over and over!

ALLAH's condition was keep the commandment and their books also claim of a savior - the QURAN clearly says they were told to recognize Prophet Muhammad...The commitment was made on the condition to keep ALLAH's word and dont cause chaos and mischief! Dont spread mischief! What did they do? They killed prophets and proudly tell the tale in their scriptures!

They were told to repent did they? The land is ALLAH's the promise was for those who believed not those who cause mischief! Even the Pro-Palestinian Jews agree that they are wanderers and call Zionist occupation illegal even under the Torah!

wich genocide? there is no genocide if there would be a gonocide, in some places I mentioned before there is a genocide where the actual amount of ppl decreases drastically

Systematically killing off a people due to racial difference has always led to a genocide. Have you forgotten that is how Hitler started it!

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Still Palestine...But of course like israel you guys are paddling an old fantasy! Even if it means hurting present day people!


is Syria no Muslim confuses that to Palestine...Kindly keep your propagation to yourself!


Before British Palestine, it was Ottomon Palestine...otherwise in 1900 Jews wouldnt be propagating for a land for themselves! Why want a land if they already had one? Common sense lacking?


Who said that? Jews have always lived peacefully along side Muslims until Zionists moved in!

And for all those who want to know about Palestine in 1900:

I showed you a report from that era...Kindly go bury your head in the sand and stop preaching from pure ignorance and hate! THAT hate will eat you alive!

The educated know that Palestine always existed in 1 form or another! There were books and literacy that you cant hide!

printed in 1939 in London:

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL242...ypt_Syria_Palestine_and_the_Lebanon_1250-1900

You're right of course. It's classic Zionist obfuscation to present this "Palestine wasn't an independent nation ever so there are no Palestinians and the real Palestinians are actually the Jews of Israel". Such poison completely ignores the fact that the Muslims living in mandate Palestine were the owners of their properties when armed immigrant Jewish settlers threw them out. Let's not even start on Stern and Irgun. Those rightful owners could call themselves gobbledeegooks for all I care - they were forcibly removed by Zionist settlers - which was just plain wrong.

 

[500]

You're right of course. It's classic Zionist obfuscation to present this "Palestine wasn't an independent nation ever so there are no Palestinians and the real Palestinians are actually the Jews of Israel". Such poison completely ignores the fact that the Muslims living in mandate Palestine were the owners of their properties when armed immigrant Jewish settlers threw them out. Let's not even start on Stern and Irgun. Those rightful owners could call themselves gobbledeegooks for all I care - they were forcibly removed by Zionist settlers - which was just plain wrong.

Here some facts for u:

1) Number of Jewish refugees from Arab countries is higher than number of Arab refugees from Israel (850 thousands vs. 700).
2) The war which led to this population exchange was started by Palestinians not by Jews.
3) In the beginning of 20th century there were similar number of Jews in Arab countries and Arabs in Palestine (about half million each). Today there are 7 million Arabs in Palestine and nearly ZERO Jews in Arab countries.

So stop crying.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Even according to the bible and Quran Jews were promised the land ONLY on the condition they keep the commandment...THOU shalt not kill is 1 command they have failed over and over!

ALLAH's condition was keep the commandment and their books also claim of a savior - the QURAN clearly says they were told to recognize Prophet Muhammad...The commitment was made on the condition to keep ALLAH's word and dont cause chaos and mischief! Dont spread mischief! What did they do? They killed prophets and proudly tell the tale in their scriptures!

They were told to repent did they? The land is ALLAH's the promise was for those who believed not those who cause mischief! Even the Pro-Palestinian Jews agree that they are wanderers and call Zionist occupation illegal even under the Torah!


Systematically killing off a people due to racial difference has always led to a genocide. Have you forgotten that is how Hitler started it!

you and i can't be judge of anything. Allah promised them something and if they keep their end of the promise i believe they will be rulers of that holy land and the world over all. they just have to keep their end of the promise they made to Allah and Allah will give them what He Promised on his End. there is no doubt about it. we believe in Quran and what matches it in Torah (old testament) so there is no doubt in my mind some generation of them will be blessed with this reward. All they have to do is keep the promise.

 

[Dubious]

you and i can't be judge of anything.

nobody is judging it is written in plain sight one just needs to read it...or has the Quran become to complicated for you (though in the Quran it clearly says that the Quran is easy for thkse who wish to know) like the Torah for the Jews? So much so that you would contradict it for another nation?

they just have to keep their end of the promise they made to Allah and Allah will give them what He Promised on his End. there is no doubt about it.

The promise was made to one prophet and his descendents not to ashkanazi Jews.

Find them descendents if they haven't converted or forgotten the promise you may ask fhem

we believe in Quran and what matches it in Torah (old testament) so there is no doubt in my mind some generation of them will be blessed with this reward. All they have to do is keep the promise.

Then how did you miss the part that they schemed killed prophets and also rejected the final message?

Coz in the Quran it is clear that every book and nation was told of Muhammad SAW.

Read Surah ma'idah

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

nobody is judging it is written in plain sight one just needs to read it...or has the Quran become to complicated for you (though in the Quran it clearly says that the Quran is easy for thkse who wish to know) like the Torah for the Jews? So much so that you would contradict it for another nation?


The promise was made to one prophet and his descendents not to ashkanazi Jews.

Find them descendents if they haven't converted or forgotten the promise you may ask fhem


Then how did you miss the part that they schemed killed prophets and also rejected the final message?

Coz in the Quran it is clear that every book and nation was told of Muhammad SAW.

Read Surah ma'idah

it was an older generation. u expect me to pay for my father or forefather's sins? read my statement again may be u will understand the true meaning when u read it twice.

Allah never lies and never breaks a promise. i read Quran everyday. im a studnet of comparative religion. i know what u are saying but u don't understand my point. you have to focus.

 

[Timur]

present day

so the presend day and the old days only count for better ppl huh? I thank you guys to remind me of my value and status among the ppl...

on present day palestine sided up with israel, egypt and uae and the ones with army threatened us with war.. and lets not talk about cyprus, or pkk camps.. but shure you know all of these..

so again I say you all have no legimative voices! no valuable arguments except religios arguments! and that is what has any value.. and I may be the only one again who states this out.. I would love to establish an islamic state (yes I said IS BOOOAAH ) there wich begins on the balkans goes up to chinas door and floods till the heart of africa and then in this there is no place for israel..

The educated know that Palestine always existed in 1 form or another! There were books and literacy that you cant hide!

I am not hiding anything you are hiding you showed me books wich I did not ask for.. but you could not provide a single coin! by the way even pkk rats have books..

has always led to a genocide. Have you forgotten that is how Hitler started it!

I am from germany I know hitler very well through school and histrory and the static precence in media.. thre is no point to mention him in this case and we are far away from hitler.. so now we stepped back and are talking about a future that could come true.. and threatens our hearts.. before that we had someone arguing that there is a genocide... there is no genecide and if there would be one than this is absolutly something to prevent with force..

but we should speak the truth and call things how they are.. in this the state of jerusalem is unaccaptable for muslims there is no muslim who could accept it else I doubt about his heart or mental status.. and arguing with exist here and there is rubbish without any value jews have been there turks have been there arabs have been there.. so if you say palestinians than you could also say egyptians or iraqis or syrians have the same right because they are arabs.. the same for other ethnics because they have been there and you can find their foodprints in the dna of the ppl.. for me all this has no value except the religios priority and I firmly belive the people will fail and one of the reasons is that they make it a nationalistic thing

 

[Dubious]

it was an older generation. u expect me to pay for my father or forefather's sins? read my statement again may be u will understand the true meaning when u read it twice.

Allah never lies and never breaks a promise. i read Quran everyday. im a studnet of comparative religion. i know what u are saying but u don't understand my point. you have to focus.

If you are adhering to your father's sin and refusing to open your eyes...Then who do you blame? ALLAH is best of Judge! He knows who HE is judging when and how!

so again I say you all have no legimative voices! no valuable arguments except religios arguments! and that is what has any value..

The whole case of wanting israel as a land for Jews was based on religion - God's given land to Bani Israel! So how can you throw out religion to discuss it?

I would love to establish an islamic state (yes I said IS BOOOAAH ) there wich begins on the balkans goes up to chinas door and floods till the heart of africa and then in this there is no place for israel..

First learn about Islam then have such dreams!

Islam forbids keep a grudge let alone hating a whole nation based on past doings!

WE can also hate SOME Ottoman kings who went out of their ways to make harem and palaces instead of sticking to Islam! Just coz we respect some doesnt mean we need to bend over backwards to accept all the other shit! Please get your basics right before coming for a discussion! You are only full of hatred and refuse to see the mirror!

You would side with an oppressor just coz of some past doing? You refuse to see the evil just coz of a bruised ego?

I am not hiding anything you are hiding you showed me books wich I did not ask for.. but you could not provide a single coin! by the way even pkk rats have books..

I am not a student of Middle easten affairs! So asking me such questions is not really sensible! I showed you books which were published during the era you required talking about PALESTINE! That alone proves its existence! But of course denial is a disease that makes one blind!

And shamelessness is also a disease that makes so called Muslims slit and side with enemies just coz of EGO!

I am from germany I know hitler very well through school and histrory and the static precence in media.. thre is no point to mention him in this case and we are far away from hitler.. so now we stepped back and are talking about a future that could come true.. and threatens our hearts.. before that we had someone arguing that there is a genocide... there is no genecide and if there would be one than this is absolutly something to prevent with force..

but we should speak the truth and call things how they are.. in this the state of jerusalem is unaccaptable for muslims there is no muslim who could accept it else I doubt about his heart or mental status.. and arguing with exist here and there is rubbish without any value jews have been there turks have been there arabs have been there.. so if you say palestinians than you could also say egyptians or iraqis or syrians have the same right because they are arabs.. the same for other ethnics because they have been there and you can find their foodprints in the dna of the ppl.. for me all this has no value except the religios priority and I firmly belive the people will fail and one of the reasons is that they make it a nationalistic thing

Please make sense, I did not understand a single word from this whole post!

 

[sammuel]

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All Jews are Zionist ?

In some way yes.

It is has two reasons. One is that Jews at a certain point in history reached the conclusion that as long as they don't have a state of their own , they would continue to be discriminated and persecuted.

The second is religious and cultural. The promise of God to end the Jewish exile and return the Jews to the promised land , is a main theme in the bible . Many of the prophets talked about it.

This prophecy was also echoed many years later , in the The Quran :

" And We said unto the Children of Israel after him: Dwell in the land; but when the promise of the Hereafter cometh to pass We shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations. "

~ Quran 17:104 ~


So , it is little wonder that for almost 2000 years the Jewish people dreamed and hoped that one day they would be redeemed from that long exile.

Today , many Jews believe or hope this is the return , that symbols that the end of days are close by.


I am well aware of the tragedy of the Palestinian people , that started developing their own national aspirations about the same time the Jewish people did.

But when I look at the state of the world today , the state of the oceans , the forests , the rivers.

All i can say is , that i hope this is true. That the ends of days are really close by and those problems would somehow be solved , and do away with conflicts while their at it ...

we believe in Quran and what matches it in Torah so there is no doubt in my mind some generation of them will be blessed with this reward. All they have to do is keep the promise.

Hopes it comes soon.

Not just for the sake of my people but for all.

I think people today understand that we live in one place and what happens in the world concerns us all. Specially when we see our whole lexistence on this earth is hanging on the balance . Something few thought about a generation ago.

So we can sure use some miracle.

I would just like to remind that what was prophesied was not just moving one people from one place to another , but redemption to all men kind.

Because there are issues man can not solve.

As Buddha recolonized in his first noble truth : there is suffering.

There is sickness , there is old age , there is death.

So we really need a miracle to sort this one out.


Peace


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[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Turkey plays good cop bad cop with Israel. Unlike Venezuela which condemned Israel and broke diplomatic relation with Israel, Turkey has very good relation with Israel.

 

[Timur]

You are only full of hatred and refuse to see the mirror!

BAAH what a nonsense and bad accusation!

you are the guy who showed multible times what he really is.. fart as long as you wish but you cant sell us that farts are smelling like roses .. throwing this comment about me out does not mean its true..

You refuse to see the evil just coz of a bruised ego?

wich evil do I not see? and wich evil do you ignor? plz enlighten us about my ignorance or yours.. and dont come again with fairy tails about a time hundret years ago.. when I say there are ignorants threatening us together with israel today (sighns for ppl who understand) than dont come and speak about ego.. I call it double standards or racism and also backstabbing! the reason why there is no coin is because the coins where ottoman coins and you are UNABLE to say it because it may make you uncomfortable .. also this ppl did not learn their lesson.. they keep a deep grudge against us until today and then I am the one who has to look into the mirror because I mentioned it?

blind

First learn about Islam then have such dreams!

Islam forbids keep a grudge let alone hating a whole nation based on past doings!

so- now you make fatwa.. sorry to speak this way but you earn it.. if you mean what I wrote is wrong and you are right, than how can anyone help you? is a religious base not the ultimate thing that leads to sucess? even if you cant fullfill it its sucess because of your rightous struggle? so by this nosense Secularism of yours like this here:

So how can you throw out religion to discuss it?

who does throw out religion? you are talking about secularism and secular values to have a higher value..? (I said only religios values will lead to sucess and why there is no sucess in other) and than comparing it with jews? jews do not matter because muslims have an order to take that land! its ours and if the time comes we will take it back..! this is the ultimate reality from wich some ppl are hiding or doing zigzag moves, but acually its quite clear and a straight path.. and I do not care to please christians or jews or arabs or other thats why I am not doing the same zigzag dance..
so if you want to stick to your secular wordly values than do it! no one keeps you away from that path.. but like I said it many times it wont lead to sucess and even if you get what you want.. will it be real sucess? or does it equal to a house of ribbah?

WE can also hate SOME Ottoman kings

shure you hate ottoman kings! here now you wrote "can"... delete it and we have the truth.. maybe you do us a favor and speak it just out.. or what is the reason to mention it here?

And shamelessness is also a disease that makes so called Muslims slit and side with enemies just coz of EGO

with whom did I side up? enlighten me..
yes you are right shamless ppl side up with others because of MONEY and WEALTH!
like many PPL in the region..
like how I descriped it in my previous post or seen here in PDF..
but whats more shameless is to ignor it and act like the pure one and accusing someone of things that are not right ..

Please make sense, I did not understand a single word from this whole post!

comparing it with that filthy kafir hitler is idiotic .. there is no genocide.. you stepped back by your previous argument "that there is a genocide" after you saw that this did not work out...
also this whole region has dna of many folks.. and ppl are mixed up you cant go by race and say he she does not belong there.. you have jews who become muslims and europeans who become muslims and this is in the DNA of the ppl in these lands.. racism or other wont help to get any reasons for jews not belonging there

and we are talking about the rule of jerusalem its unaccaptable for muslims.. it must be in muslims hand.. thata the whole issue : it must be takan back under the umbrealla of islam and racism will not bring you anything..

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Here some facts for u:

1) Number of Jewish refugees from Arab countries is higher than number of Arab refugees from Israel (850 thousands vs. 700).
2) The war which led to this population exchange was started by Palestinians not by Jews.
3) In the beginning of 20th century there were similar number of Jews in Arab countries and Arabs in Palestine (about half million each). Today there are 7 million Arabs in Palestine and nearly ZERO Jews in Arab countries.

So stop crying.

None of these facts validate Zionist expansionism and expulsion of Palestinian inhabitants of mandate Palestine, nor do they validate forced settling of non-Palestinian Jews or any non-Palestinians at the expense of those Palestinians (Jews, Muslims or otherwise) who lived in mandate Palestine.

Whoever started whatever war makes no difference. As per various UN charters and conventions, war is no excuse for population exchange/demographic manipulation, whether you are victor or loser.

In a word, your post is obfuscation

 

[Timur]

None of these facts validate Zionist expansionism and expulsion of Palestinian inhabitants of mandate Palestine, nor do they validate forced settling of non-Palestinian Jews or any non-Palestinians at the expense of those Palestinians (Jews, Muslims or otherwise) who lived in mandate Palestine.

Whoever started whatever war makes no difference. As per various UN charters and conventions, war is no excuse for population exchange/demographic manipulation, whether you are victor or loser.

In a word, your post is obfuscation

stiil this is what I am against..

ok I sometimes use also things like this to troll around.. but the reality is why I cannot accept jerusalem to be in jewish or christian hands is ISLAM

 

[500]

None of these facts validate Zionist expansionism and expulsion of Palestinian inhabitants of mandate Palestine, nor do they validate forced settling of non-Palestinian Jews or any non-Palestinians at the expense of those Palestinians (Jews, Muslims or otherwise) who lived in mandate Palestine.

Whoever started whatever war makes no difference. As per various UN charters and conventions, war is no excuse for population exchange/demographic manipulation, whether you are victor or loser.

In a word, your post is obfuscation

UN founding state USSR ethnically cleansed some 10 million Germans.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

UN founding state USSR ethnically cleansed some 10 million Germans.

Only fair considering Hitler invaded USSR with the biggest invasion force mankind had ever seen.