Turkey Should Align With China

[Avicenna]

You did NOT win WW1, nor WW2. You wait until both side exhausted and jump in the winner side.

If US confront full force Germany in WW2 directly, US will lose for sure. Just look at Vietnam War, you lose desperately and come to China for help.

Germany is much stronger than Vietnam relatively in WW2.

Then would you say the Allies would be able to win WW1 and WW2 without the involvement of the US?

@gambit

Feel free to enjoy this f@$kery

 

[asena_great]

Sun-Tzu was a pussy too

Yes, we do have our disagreements but Turkey must have deep and mutually beneficial relations with China despite political differences. Let the US choose PKK over Turkey, if they are so willing for. They want to burn the bridges? Let them burn them to ashes

Not Russia, but China, should become the nation whom we must develop our military and defence relation.

no

 

[AViet]

Then would you say the Allies would be able to win WW1 and WW2 without the involvement of the US?

@gambit

Feel free to enjoy this f@$kery

I do not know about WWI, but know about WWII enough to say that without the US, the Allies (mostly the USSR) would still win the war. The US involvement was very limited, aside from attacking Japan. But even without the US, USSR and Chinese forces combined would still be able to crush Japan easily.

But without the US, the Western Allies may lose more territories in western Europe to the hand of USSR.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

I do not know about WWI, but know about WWII enough to say that without the US, the Allies (mostly the USSR) would still win the war. The US involvement was very limited, aside from attacking Japan. But even without the US, USSR and Chinese forces combined would still be able to crush Japan easily.

But without the US, the Western Allies may lose more territories in western Europe to the hand of USSR.

No doubt the USSR was key to winning WWII. But your analysis errs on the other side. The US was also instrumental in winning that war- for starters just study Lend Lease.

Now let's look at the direct participation of US. England was virtually exhausted post 1940 Battle of Britain. Churchill was desperate to get the US into the war, turn England into a floating base for the allies. Then, when you study the US combat role in North Africa and post Normandy (# of combatants, materials etc) it's hard to claim that the allies would have won that war without US help.

I hypothesise that without US intervention the Normandy landings would not have happened in 1944, maybe not for the next 2/3 years (if at all). Germany would then have fought a single front war against USSR, and how that would have ended is anyone's guess. Perhaps a stalemate. But this is conjecture. What's not conjecture is the vital importance of US in WWII.

 

[vi-va]

No doubt the USSR was key to winning WWII. But your analysis errs on the other side. The US was also instrumental in winning that war- for starters just study Lend Lease.

Now let's look at the direct participation of US. England was virtually exhausted post 1940 Battle of Britain. Churchill was desperate to get the US into the war, turn England into a floating base for the allies. Then, when you study the US combat role in North Africa and post Normandy (# of combatants, materials etc) it's hard to claim that the allies would have won that war without US help.

I hypothesise that without US intervention the Normandy landings would not have happened in 1944, maybe not for the next 2/3 years (if at all). Germany would then have fought a single front war against USSR, and how that would have ended is anyone's guess. Perhaps a stalemate. But this is conjecture. What's not conjecture is the vital importance of US in WWII.

Without US intervention, Nazi Germany will fail anyway.

It's possible to win on the battlefield, but Nazi Germany has no legitimacy to rule the Europe. There will be numerous revolts and chaos. And in the end of the day, Nazi Germany will be exhausted and realized it's not a good business.

Without UK intervention in Europe in 19th, 20th century, Europe may have a much brighter future. US is bigger UK, their divide and rule policy is no difference. Without US intervention, Europe will not be as weak as today.

Chairman Mao knew US, UK policy much deeper, that's why we confront US and many others below directly on Korean peninsula. An all out war 1000 times better than US intervention.

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[Avicenna]

No doubt the USSR was key to winning WWII. But your analysis errs on the other side. The US was also instrumental in winning that war- for starters just study Lend Lease.

Now let's look at the direct participation of US. England was virtually exhausted post 1940 Battle of Britain. Churchill was desperate to get the US into the war, turn England into a floating base for the allies. Then, when you study the US combat role in North Africa and post Normandy (# of combatants, materials etc) it's hard to claim that the allies would have won that war without US help.

I hypothesise that without US intervention the Normandy landings would not have happened in 1944, maybe not for the next 2/3 years (if at all). Germany would then have fought a single front war against USSR, and how that would have ended is anyone's guess. Perhaps a stalemate. But this is conjecture. What's not conjecture is the vital importance of US in WWII.

I commend you for your response.

I had lost interest and knew fighting with stupid is a losing battle.

Your post is fantastic.

 

[Attila the Hun]

Yes, we do have our disagreements but Turkey must have deep and mutually beneficial relations with China despite political differences. Let the US choose PKK over Turkey, if they are so willing for. They want to burn the bridges? Let them burn them to ashes

Not Russia, but China, should become the nation whom we must develop our military and defence relation.

The fact that only Pakistanis gave thanks to your posts should tell you all you need to know.
And if you still don't know, the answer is no.

 

[Beast]

We shall leave each other alone. Alliance is impossible.

 

[Test7]

We shall leave each other alone. Alliance is impossible.

And president of China talks...

 

[Beast]

And president of China talks...

Isnt this what you want? Or you want to alliance with China, tell me?

 

[Test7]

Isnt this what you want? Or you want to alliance with China, tell me?

No, I just don't want to talk like the president of country..

 

[Beast]

No, I just don't want to talk like the president of country..

LOL, stick to the topic. I speaks what you want and your mind. No alliance. So what is the fuss?

 

[Test7]

LOL, stick to the topic. I speaks what you want and your mind. No alliance. So what is the fuss?

This is a wish. Each country wants to develop relations with other countries.

 

[Beast]

This is a wish. Each country wants to develop relations with other countries.

It will be good, China and Turkey r/s remains in commercial only.

 

[Test7]

It will be good, China and Turkey r/s remains in commercial only.

There's no need for more.