Turkey rejects us move to end sanction waivers and will continue to import oil from Iran

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Give me the hadith plz and from wich book and number I know its off topic but I am curious now thanks

I will post it and tag you.

 

[Ryan]

Even if those two nations would continue buying Iranian oil as they claimed they would, Iran's economy will be further crippled significantly without other primary consumers like India, Japan and etc. I won't be surprised that Iran test its atomic bomb all of sudden in the next few months. This is the inevitable consequence of the US shortsighted geopolitical policy in ME.

 

[Shane]

If we go by Hadith, Israel’s war of expansion will be the death of the Arabs, bar Hijaz. Several authentic hadith on the matter including one which says only a few Arabs will be left when Imam Mahdi comes.

First of all, You are referring to narrations from Shiite books of hadith or pov and basing your claims on cherry picking particular Shiites Hadiths on top that support your particular claim.

Apart from the difference in opinion as to what constitutes a Hadith, I have read similar narrations from Shiite books too that contradict your claim. Case in point:

Imam al-Baqir (‘a) said: “Three hundred and thirteen persons, the same number as that of the supporters (Muslim soldiers) in the Battle of Badr, will pay allegiance to Hadrat al-Mahdi in between the rukn and maqam (in the Ka‘bah). From among them, great figures from among the people of Egypt, good men from Sham, and good men from among the people of Iraq can be seen and the Imam will rule to the extent that God would wish.”

Last i checked Egypt, Sham and Iraq are all Arab lands. May be the current military drive by Iran is to change that demograph to suite a particular narrative, WaAllahuAlim!

Now you will quote other hadith from Shiite books that deny or mention minimal Arab participation in the army of the awaited.

Then I will mention other narration variations like contradictions in the number of soldiers of the same army of faithful from 313 to 10k to 4k and 100k and then again there is the number of 12k to 15k and even 72k. And you will mention those naming iranian cities and so on and so forth in support of a particular narrative.

The point is that you will comeup with your justification and particular claim in response to mine so lets just agree to disagree instead of a useless back and forth along religious fault lines.

I think you have the right to follow your belief from your pov and so do I which happens to be quite different from yours.

May Allah Subhan Taala have mercy and show guidence to us all.

 

[Microsoft]

survive of what??
US can not Sanction whole of the Asia.
At the moment many Asian countries like Iran and Russia or North Korea are under US sanctions in different levels.
with Sanctioning China and India, US competently cut its business relations with major Asian countries.

Survive a trade war with the US.

 

[Mirzah]

India already announced it will stop importing from Iran


India announced it will reduce oil imports form Iran to 0

The current Indian government is right wing Hindu nationalist which hates on minority Muslims a lot and is very pro Israel. They almost worship Israel, never trust them to support Iran.

 

[LeGenD]

In the coming days, you will see both Turkey and Pakistan taking further steps to support Iran.

The fear of US and Israel is coming true, day by day.

Iran-Turk-Pak bloc is emerging, with full pivot towards China. In sha Allah. This will be the future of our region and have an important influence on Muslim Europe and Central Asia.

This is wishful thinking on your part, and geopolitics isn't so cut and dry in reality.

1. KSA and US contribute a lot to Pakistan's economy, and keeping it afloat - this favor is not for free.

2. Iran is a dubious entity with interventionist tendencies of its own and India is among its primary partners.

3. Your seemingly unshaken belief in China is misplaced. China is an emerging superpower, and great power eventually corrupts. Do you think Chinese favors are for free? There is a price to pay in this relationship as well.

4. Pakistan should strive for BALANCE in its geopolitics - good relations with all major powers of the world, and absolute NO to their ill-advised Cold Wars. Take a good look at Pakistan's economic situation and think long and hard.

5. There is just one trustworthy superpower out there - Allah Almighty, and it help those who are on the right path. Rest is noise.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

India will be the most hard hit by US sanctions as it is buying cheap oil from Venezuela and Iran.

Not to mention tariff war which USis waging on China and India. Everything will get expensive for Indians.

Without waivers, India will have to buy from US approved sellers like KSA, UAE, etc.

It is difficult being the enemy of the US, but deadly being an ally of the US.

Only method to survive the era of US economic and military collapse is to form alliance with Russia and China, but India is not brave enough to embrace China.

Survive a trade war with the US.

Turkey and Pakistan will not abandon our ally and neighbor Iran to the machinations of the US and Israelis.

Iran is blessed to have borders with two sympathetic countries, where we can easily smuggle resources and trade out of the eye of big powers.

If money gets taxed, trade commodity and barter systems can be utilized to help our Iranian brothers and sisters.

 

[LeGenD]

India will be the most hard hit by US sanctions as it is buying cheap oil from Venezuela and Iran.

Not to mention tariff war which USis waging on China and India. Everything will get expensive for Indians.

Without waivers, India will have to buy from US approved sellers like KSA, UAE, etc.

It is difficult being the enemy of the US, but deadly being an ally of the US.

Only method to survive the era of US economic and military collapse is to form alliance with Russia and China, but India is not brave enough to embrace China.

Era of US economic and military collapse? Dude, what weed are you smoking? You need to be jolted back to reality.

As for the quote from Henry Kissinger, it is bullshit. Try to make an enemy of US and see what happens. Illogical minds.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Era of US economic and military collapse? Dude, what weed are you smoking? You need to be jolted back to reality.

As for the quote from Henry Kissinger, it is bullshit. Try to make an enemy of US and see what happens. Illogical minds.

Just wait and see.

 

[LeGenD]

Just wait and see.

Your boasts are nothing new.

American economic system is too vast and complex for a lone mind to process and comprehend all on its own. Some of the most brilliant minds are known to steer it in tandem and/or with collaboration. Periodic chapters of recession will not kill it.

WE should rather worry about Pakistan's economic situation, and 'sustainability crisis' on the whole. Does not look good.

 

[Śakra]

India will continue to buy Oil from iran, irrespective of what US"***" says, we dont give up on our friends....

Why should we. You remember how they reneged on our agreement last time as soon as they got sanction relief? This time we aren’t going to do extra for them.

 

[Titanium100]

Turkey needs to buy from either Russia or Saudi Arabia for better price and the same with China. If you give them both discount. They will be complying with this sanction faster then the eye bliks perhaps this is only negotiation trick on their part

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

First of all, You are referring to narrations from Shiite books of hadith or pov and basing your claims on cherry picking particular Shiites Hadiths on top that support your particular claim.

Apart from the difference in opinion as to what constitutes a Hadith, I have read similar narrations from Shiite books too that contradict your claim. Case in point:

Imam al-Baqir (‘a) said: “Three hundred and thirteen persons, the same number as that of the supporters (Muslim soldiers) in the Battle of Badr, will pay allegiance to Hadrat al-Mahdi in between the rukn and maqam (in the Ka‘bah). From among them, great figures from among the people of Egypt, good men from Sham, and good men from among the people of Iraq can be seen and the Imam will rule to the extent that God would wish.”

Last i checked Egypt, Sham and Iraq are all Arab lands. May be the current military drive by Iran is to change that demograph to suite a particular narrative, WaAllahuAlim!

Now you will quote other hadith from Shiite books that deny or mention minimal Arab participation in the army of the awaited.

Then I will mention other narration variations like contradictions in the number of soldiers of the same army of faithful from 313 to 10k to 4k and 100k and then again there is the number of 12k to 15k and even 72k. And you will mention those naming iranian cities and so on and so forth in support of a particular narrative.

The point is that you will comeup with your justification and particular claim in response to mine so lets just agree to disagree instead of a useless back and forth along religious fault lines.

I think you have the right to follow your belief from your pov and so do I which happens to be quite different from yours.

May Allah Subhan Taala have mercy and show guidence to us all.

Not everyone who is pro-Iran is a Shia. I am an orthodox Sunni Hanafi and Deobandi as well.

I had to check your flags, and saw you are Pakistani. Don’t swallow Arab propaganda.

That is a hadith of Sahih Muslim, check my profile for the source.

Israel’s war of expansion is coming and it will be bloody genocide on the Arabs from all directions, not many of them will be left afterwards.

This is why the unity of Turk-Iran-Pak is so imperative. We must save our regions from the same damage and create a bulwark against Israel.

When Dajjal comes in Israel, it will be war, we have to do what is necessary to resist, so we must unify and strengthen ourselves and our economies.

 

[Shane]

Not everyone who is pro-Iran is a Shia. I am an orthodox Sunni Hanafi and Deobandi as well.

I had to check your flags, and saw you are Pakistani. Don’t swallow Arab propaganda.

That is a hadith of Sahih Muslim, check my profile for the source.

Israel’s war of expansion is coming and it will be bloody genocide on the Arabs from all directions, not many of them will be left afterwards.

This is why the unity of Turk-Iran-Pak is so imperative. We must save our regions from the same damage and create a bulwark against Israel.

When Dajjal comes in Israel, it will be war, we have to do what is necessary to resist, so we must unify and strengthen ourselves and our economies.

I am an orthodox Sunni Hanafi and Deobandi as well.

I don't have anything against who you are or your beliefs but only concerned with what you post.

Don’t swallow Arab propaganda.

I can say the same about you and the Persian propaganda.

Israel’s war of expansion is coming and it will be bloody genocide on the Arabs from all directions, not many of them will be left afterwards.

And Persians will be spared because of their love for Israel which in turn shall spare them?

Makes no sense at all.

I think that the only way Dajjal, while on a killing spree of Arabs exclusively may spare the persians would be if there was an alliance with Iran...which seems obnoxious...

So it's more logical to assume that Isreal shall also largely decimate Persians just the same as Arabs but pro Persians have exclusive rights on claim that just the Arabs shall face the wrath of Israel. What does it say about such a situation for Iran who calls itself enemy no.1 of Israel?

Like I said, you shouldn't fall for the Persian Propaganda.

And that I already agree with you as far as Turkey is concerned:

With respect to Turkey and Pakistan's brotherly ties exclusively, I completely agree with you.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I don't have anything against who you are or your beliefs but only concerned with what you post.

I can say the same about you and the Persian propaganda.


And Persians will be spared because of their love for Israel which in turn shall spare them?

Makes no sense at all.

I think that the only way Dajjal, while on a killing spree of Arabs exclusively may spare the persians would be if there was an alliance with Iran...which seems obnoxious...

So it's more logical to assume that Isreal shall also largely decimate Persians just the same as Arabs but pro Persians have exclusive rights on claim that just the Arabs shall face the wrath of Israel. What does it say about such a situation for Iran who calls itself enemy no.1 of Israel?

Like I said, you shouldn't fall for the Persian Propaganda.

And that I already agree with you as far as Turkey is concerned:

Read the hadith and comment on my wall. No use in derailing the thread.