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US President Donald Trump today urged wireless carriers to deploy 5G and "6G" networks "as soon as possible," seemingly ignoring the small problem that 6G technology doesn't exist yet.

"I want 5G, and even 6G, technology in the United States as soon as possible," Trump wrote on Twitter this morning. "It is far more powerful, faster, and smarter than the current standard. American companies must step up their efforts, or get left behind."


In a second tweet, Trump said that 5G and 6G are "so obviously the future."

Trump further wrote that he wants the US "to win through competition, not by blocking out currently more advanced technologies."

"We must always be the leader in everything we do, especially when it comes to the very exciting world of technology!" Trump concluded.

5G hype in full swing
5G is certainly coming, whether Trump tweets about it or not. But today, there's more 5G hype and 5G word games than there is actual 5G. Verizon is offering 5G home Internet in a few cities, but for now it's based on Verizon's own technology rather than the 5G NR (New Radio) global standard.

AT&T has deliberately misled customers by relabeling large portions of its 4G LTE network as 5G. Smartphone users in areas where AT&T is using advanced 4G LTE technology now see a "5G E" network indicator. 5G E stands for 5G Evolution, but it is, in fact, nothing more than 4G with LTE features like 256 QAM, 4x4 MIMO, and three-way carrier aggregation.

Despite Trump's tweet, there's no word yet on whether AT&T is developing 6G F, the natural successor to 5G E. (The "F" could stand for "faux.") But the cable industry, jealous of all the 5G wireless hype, obtained a trademark for "10G" to fuel a new marketing campaign. The cable industry's 10G doesn't refer to the 10th generation of anything, as it's just shorthand for 10Gbps speeds expected to be available in future upgrades. Cable lobby group NCTA continued its "10G" push today in a press release issued hours after Trump's tweet. The press release was titled, "Why Do We Need 10G?"

Trump’s tweet won’t have much impact
Trump's call for quick 5G deployment isn't likely to make any real difference, since carriers are already deep into 5G planning and are starting to deploy networks in some cities. His call for 6G also isn't likely to make any real difference, because each new wireless generation takes years to deploy, and 6G planning is in the embryonic stages at best.

"The International Telecommunication Union [ITU], a United Nations body that helps coordinate global telecom issues, currently has a working group studying what a 6G world might look like," The Washington Post noted today. "But the group’s name—Network 2030—suggests that a great deal of work lies ahead."

6G simply hasn't been defined yet, Network 2030 Chairman and Huawei chief scientist Richard Li told IEEE Spectrum in August 2018.

A UC Santa Barbara group is researching new technologies that it says could someday become the basis for 6G. Qualcomm said it's "thinking" about 6G in 2017, but 6G's exact capabilities and timing are still in the speculation phase.

"We'll have to wait at least 10 years before seeing the first specifications of 6G approved," IoT Times wrote in June 2018.

FCC uses 5G to justify deregulation
5G isn't available for smartphones in the US, but there's at least a real 5G specification for the industry to follow. Despite its "5G E" misdirection, AT&T has deployed standards-based 5G in parts of 12 cities and is offering a 5G mobile hotspot. Verizon today said it's rolling out 5G to more than 30 cities this year, but the Verizon announcement didn't say when the company is switching from its own 5G technology to the global standard or when 5G phones will be available.

The Federal Communications Commission has taken advantage of 5G hype to justify regulatory rollbacks. FCC Chairman Ajit Pai in September 2018 led a vote to prevent city and town governments from charging wireless carriers about $2 billion worth of fees related to deployment of wireless equipment such as small cells. The FCC order also limits the kinds of aesthetic requirements cities and towns can impose on carrier deployments.

The $2 billion, spread over 10 years, amounts to less than 1 percent of carriers' estimated costs for deploying 5G small cells throughout the US. It's thus no surprise that Verizon said the savings won't cause it to move faster in deploying 5G. Verizon is already deploying 5G as fast as it can, the carrier said.

Despite that, Pai and fellow Republican FCC commissioners claim deregulation is needed to push the US from 4G to 5G. If Trump's tweets today have any impact, it could be to give the FCC more impetus to eliminate regulations under the guise of spurring adoption of 5G technology that was already being adopted anyway.

 
This will be very interesting!

From this we can compare the strength between USA vs China.

But there will be a problem in China side to make their 6G technology to be standardized as global standard, as what I predict it will be blocked in the name of Western Alliance security issue, just like today.

Even if China offered the technology, it will be taken on hold a bit longer, to give a time for Western companies to offer different solution for the same function.

The point is to prioritizing Western companies.
 
This will be very interesting!

From this we can compare the strength between USA vs China.

But there will be a problem in China side to make their 6G technology to be standardized as global standard, as what I predict it will be blocked in the name of Western Alliance security issue, just like today.

Even if China offered the technology, it will be taken on hold a bit longer, to give a time for Western companies to offer different solution for the same function.

The point is to prioritizing Western companies.

even 5G has no value for me. you need use cases and business applications to drive the technology
 
Knowing it is from the mouth of dotard, the key tech feature of 6G should be that it could be powered by coal instead of battery.

even 5G has no value for me. you need use cases and business applications to drive the technology

The main tech feature of 5G is that it can be used to connect any devices, including vehicles, into a global network, it could start the next industrial revoluation.
 
even 5G has no value for me. you need use cases and business applications to drive the technology

I think that will depend where you live.

In developing country, they cut the speed and all the bottlenecks, or its just simply the price is outreached.
 
I think that will depend where you live.

In developing country, they cut the speed and all the bottlenecks, or its just simply the price is outreached.

it does not matter where i live. i do not have a use case for the 5G speeds
i work remote. i do not need that kind of speeds

Knowing it is from the mouth of dotard, the key tech feature of 6G should be that it could be powered by coal instead of battery.



The main tech feature of 5G is that it can be used to connect any devices, including vehicles, into a global network, it could start the next industrial revoluation.

those use cases and killer apps need to be established before 5G takes off
those devices do not exist
 
it does not matter where i live. i do not have a use case for the 5G speeds
i work remote. i do not need that kind of speeds



those use cases and killer apps need to be established before 5G takes off
those devices do not exist
5g apps wont come until network is built. Which is why everyone is rushing for 5g networks
 
5g apps wont come until network is built. Which is why everyone is rushing for 5g networks

I am not changing my car so that it can talk to 5g network
it is a classic chicken and egg problem which is why Huawei lead does not matter
 
I am not changing my car so that it can talk to 5g network
it is a classic chicken and egg problem which is why Huawei lead does not matter
Actually it's not. The whichever countries that get 5G networks out first will get a head start on the next generation of data intensive apps. The companies that develop those apps will have first movers advantage over companies in countries that don't have 5G networks.
 
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...llout-of-6g-wireless-tech-which-doesnt-exist/

US President Donald Trump today urged wireless carriers to deploy 5G and "6G" networks "as soon as possible," seemingly ignoring the small problem that 6G technology doesn't exist yet.

"I want 5G, and even 6G, technology in the United States as soon as possible," Trump wrote on Twitter this morning. "It is far more powerful, faster, and smarter than the current standard. American companies must step up their efforts, or get left behind."


In a second tweet, Trump said that 5G and 6G are "so obviously the future."

Trump further wrote that he wants the US "to win through competition, not by blocking out currently more advanced technologies."

"We must always be the leader in everything we do, especially when it comes to the very exciting world of technology!" Trump concluded.

5G hype in full swing
5G is certainly coming, whether Trump tweets about it or not. But today, there's more 5G hype and 5G word games than there is actual 5G. Verizon is offering 5G home Internet in a few cities, but for now it's based on Verizon's own technology rather than the 5G NR (New Radio) global standard.

AT&T has deliberately misled customers by relabeling large portions of its 4G LTE network as 5G. Smartphone users in areas where AT&T is using advanced 4G LTE technology now see a "5G E" network indicator. 5G E stands for 5G Evolution, but it is, in fact, nothing more than 4G with LTE features like 256 QAM, 4x4 MIMO, and three-way carrier aggregation.

Despite Trump's tweet, there's no word yet on whether AT&T is developing 6G F, the natural successor to 5G E. (The "F" could stand for "faux.") But the cable industry, jealous of all the 5G wireless hype, obtained a trademark for "10G" to fuel a new marketing campaign. The cable industry's 10G doesn't refer to the 10th generation of anything, as it's just shorthand for 10Gbps speeds expected to be available in future upgrades. Cable lobby group NCTA continued its "10G" push today in a press release issued hours after Trump's tweet. The press release was titled, "Why Do We Need 10G?"

Trump’s tweet won’t have much impact
Trump's call for quick 5G deployment isn't likely to make any real difference, since carriers are already deep into 5G planning and are starting to deploy networks in some cities. His call for 6G also isn't likely to make any real difference, because each new wireless generation takes years to deploy, and 6G planning is in the embryonic stages at best.

"The International Telecommunication Union [ITU], a United Nations body that helps coordinate global telecom issues, currently has a working group studying what a 6G world might look like," The Washington Post noted today. "But the group’s name—Network 2030—suggests that a great deal of work lies ahead."

6G simply hasn't been defined yet, Network 2030 Chairman and Huawei chief scientist Richard Li told IEEE Spectrum in August 2018.

A UC Santa Barbara group is researching new technologies that it says could someday become the basis for 6G. Qualcomm said it's "thinking" about 6G in 2017, but 6G's exact capabilities and timing are still in the speculation phase.

"We'll have to wait at least 10 years before seeing the first specifications of 6G approved," IoT Times wrote in June 2018.

FCC uses 5G to justify deregulation
5G isn't available for smartphones in the US, but there's at least a real 5G specification for the industry to follow. Despite its "5G E" misdirection, AT&T has deployed standards-based 5G in parts of 12 cities and is offering a 5G mobile hotspot. Verizon today said it's rolling out 5G to more than 30 cities this year, but the Verizon announcement didn't say when the company is switching from its own 5G technology to the global standard or when 5G phones will be available.

The Federal Communications Commission has taken advantage of 5G hype to justify regulatory rollbacks. FCC Chairman Ajit Pai in September 2018 led a vote to prevent city and town governments from charging wireless carriers about $2 billion worth of fees related to deployment of wireless equipment such as small cells. The FCC order also limits the kinds of aesthetic requirements cities and towns can impose on carrier deployments.

The $2 billion, spread over 10 years, amounts to less than 1 percent of carriers' estimated costs for deploying 5G small cells throughout the US. It's thus no surprise that Verizon said the savings won't cause it to move faster in deploying 5G. Verizon is already deploying 5G as fast as it can, the carrier said.

Despite that, Pai and fellow Republican FCC commissioners claim deregulation is needed to push the US from 4G to 5G. If Trump's tweets today have any impact, it could be to give the FCC more impetus to eliminate regulations under the guise of spurring adoption of 5G technology that was already being adopted anyway.

Trump does know 5+1=6!
 

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