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Transit Facilities to India, Nepal, Bhutan $2.3b net profit in 30 years projected

India has direct borders with bhutan, nepal, myanmar and bangladesh.. so what is this transit anyway??? :what:

It will save a few hundred kilometers of journey ...It is not a big deal if they give us a transit facility nor a very big deal, if they refuse us transit..Its a nice thing to have in between neighbours, but not a necessasity in anyway.
 
We need at least another $50 billion to build our physical infrastructure. So, ask your govt to parcel this money and then talk about the benefits we will receive out of it. We have invested in many thousands kms of paved roads since 1947, and has spent at least $2 billion every year at the current dollar since that time. We need many more billion dollars and many more years to build a composite network of roads and bridges.

Give me a good benefit that will come to India by giving you $50 billion to develop roads...Look i can understand someone from BD being anti-india but how can someone from BD is anti-BD????

Now, India is here asking for a transit, we build the roads and India gets all the benefits, but we get nothing in exchange.
What are you smoking??? Do you have any clue about economics/business or are here just to spew venom without giving any exercise to your brain??? In this scheme Bangladesh will be able to make infrastructure totally free of cost in fact they will make money out of it and here we are considering just the transit fee and nothing else. Whatever infrastrucutre will be build under this scheme is going to stay in BD right??? So in essence you will get infrastructure and still end up having surplus...this can't be a bad move, no???

BD should behave just like all those BENIYAS and MARWARIS who would not even spit without a benefit out of it.
Don't know what fun people get by making racist remarks.....

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I would like to ask people here to ponder on the reasons for developing infrastructure in this part, it is done to fascilitate transit from rest-of-india to its north-east part....This is true but only one angle of looking at it...Lets look at the benefits that BD will get out of it

- Good robust Infrastructure
- More Job opportunities for BD people
- Transit fee and a plan with which you will end up having surplus
- More development of the region we are talking about...There is no way on earth an area which is connected to highways used for international trade will not develop. One has to be utter stupid to think otherwise.
- Exposure to a huge market like India. The better the connectivity is going to be, more and more trade will occur from this area....

Honestly i am appalled that at a time when every country across the globe want's to have some sort of exposure to Indian market people in south asia are complaining about same....Like it or not India and China are two markets which cannot be ignored and are ultimately going to be two markets which will have lot of stake in world economics
 
This transit facility to India seems to be a free lunch for that country, and should be stopped or re-negotiated.

Al leaders and it's paid intellectual bubble the media that only transit fee collected from India would transformed Bangladesh into Singapore. When we opposed not to give corridor to India then Al and it's intellectual called us anti-Bangladesh.

Recently AL minister went to India and said that Bangladesh was born to give transit to India. Slave mentality has it's limit but for Al leader it has no limit.

So you know that India already using Chittagong port without even paying us a dime. People patience has it's limit, when this limit will hit the threshold then Al bastards won't find a place to hide.

Now, were we anti-Bangladesh because we opposed this corridor?

What kind of punishment AL leaders deserve for this Ghaddari to the nation?

http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...-duty-waiver-will-amount-betrayal-people.html
 
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You guys are just computing profit out of the transit fees, but forget to account for the investment that will be going into the country's infrastructure including roads, rail and port facilities (as I quoted from above).
These infrastructure will help in the growth of the local economy as well which could be significantly higher.

All to be paid for by Bangladesh from a loan provided by India. So we get a minuscule benefit from the transit facility and we also have to pay interest to India for the loan. If you haven't heard already India is requesting waiver of transit fees for Indian cargoes using Bangladesh as transit so where is this $2 billion coming from?
 
All to be paid for by Bangladesh from a loan provided by India. So we get a minuscule benefit from the transit facility and we also have to pay interest to India for the loan. If you haven't heard already India is requesting waiver of transit fees for Indian cargoes using Bangladesh as transit so where is this $2 billion coming from?

There is already a cost-benefit analysis in the report. I quote:
In the CPD report, the results of aggregate Cost Benefit Analysis show that trade in transport services is an economically viable option for Bangladesh. The Internal Rate of Return is 33.46 percent, the benefit-cost ratio 2.86 and the Net Present Value $2.3 billion.

Let say this project was funded by India and also assume that the transit is free, which has no mention in the report btw... on the contrary it claims that BD will actually get $2.3B in 30 yrs... On the loan terms... lets say India gives you a $2B loan at 2% less than the international market rate, then do you think asking for free transit is much to ask for? I hope these factors have been taken into consideration in the CPD report.
 
Dezi I want to make some fact clear to you.... already there are roads which can connet benapol to agortola... it is not like that bd does not have any road and infrastructure but the issue is these roads are not capable enough to carry heavy trucks and container which will come from india.... so the main part of the investment will be to make the roads capable enough to carry indian trucks and container... so it is honestly doing very little benefit to the bangladesh....
I am sure there are roads in this corridor, but road conditions do matter in the overall infrastructure that the country provides to its economy. Take an example of India... we have the 2nd largest density of roads in the whole world... but still the govt is spending billions of dollars into this sector. A good road infrastructure cuts down the transit times and hence adds to the overall economics of a transport route and to the local community.

One of the other big issue is terrorism from the NE indian terrorist org as they will accuse bd for undermining their claim of independence from india by giving it the transit.... if bd is targeted by these groups who will give the damage fees to bd for their act of terrorism???
I agree on this point... valid concern... but again I feel that it is the responsibility of the BD border troops to make sure no banned groups are allowed to come into BD through this route. At the moment we have seen that it is easy for these extremist groups from finding safe havens in BD. On another point... how do you think BD will be able to stop these groups from crossing at other border points?... we are just taking about 1 single link here... and not all points of entry into BD.
 
If, suppose, this $1.7 billion is kept as a fixed deposit in an international Bank, it will produce a yearly benefit of more than $50 million. If it is kept in a BD Bank, it will yield more than $100 million. Then why to invest a large sum of our money in a venture that does benefit India, but does not benefit our own country?

This transit facility to India seems to be a free lunch for that country, and should be stopped or re-negotiated.
If all nations go by your logic, no one would be spending on anything... we would be happy keeping the money in the international banks and live off the interest.... but do you know how interests are added to your principal deposits in a banking system?.... Interests are given when others take loans out of the principal and pay an interest on it. Going by your logic, if you are not investing in any projects and just sitting on the money... how will you get the interests.

Re-negotiation is another issue here... I am not countering that... my point is that infrastructure projects are a game changer in todays economy for all South Asian nations who are trying to boost their economies... and I always support it fully.
 
I am sure there are roads in this corridor, but road conditions do matter in the overall infrastructure that the country provides to its economy. Take an example of India... we have the 2nd largest density of roads in the whole world... but still the govt is spending billions of dollars into this sector. A good road infrastructure cuts down the transit times and hence adds to the overall economics of a transport route and to the local community.


I agree on this point... valid concern... but again I feel that it is the responsibility of the BD border troops to make sure no banned groups are allowed to come into BD through this route. At the moment we have seen that it is easy for these extremist groups from finding safe havens in BD. On another point... how do you think BD will be able to stop these groups from crossing at other border points?... we are just taking about 1 single link here... and not all points of entry into BD.

This is not a issue whether india has a worlds second density of road or not... The is here bangladesh.... bangladesh geographically is not as big as india... so bangladesh does not require that much road... just to remind you bangladesh has already enough roads... but need some bridges, fly over, and other sort of stuff to reduce time and better connectivity... nothing is happening here....

Just to show you how this amount will be used I am posting some part of the post..

Of the amount, $53.74 million and $769 m would be required to set up road and rail links, $79 m and $129 m to upgrade Chittagong and Mongla ports, and $99 million to operate and maintain them.

Do you think with $53.74 million hundreds of killometer of new road will be built???? Answer is no... even just to build the uttara to narayanganj by pass route in dhaka it will be cost around 2 to 3 billion dollar....

Here all the money will be used only for carpeting of the road to make it usable by the heavy indian trucks and cargos.... which bagladesh does not have or use... so total waste of money...

Second big investment is on rail network from the 2 ports to the routes to facilitate the transport of goods... From the Chittagong port ... rail route will be basically used to transport goods to NE india... this will hardly be used by bd... so another big waste of money...

Just wondering how much bd will use the mongla port rail route as bd usually do not use mongla port that much... So nothing big development for bd...

N in ports bangladesh is already investing billions of dollars... so $129 million and $99 million for mongla port is just like a peanuts... will only be used for india...so benefit of bangladesh is a big question here...

This $2.3 billion calculation did not take in to account how much bd will loose business in the NE indian territory... already it is expected to boom under present condition... but if transit is given india will take over all the business... or will make it harder to export bd goods over there...

N regarding terrorism... it is not necessary that they will come from transit check point in bd to target bangladesh.... if they feel that they are under attack and their security has been undermined they will held bd responsible for that.... n will do whatever it takes to cause harm to bd...If that happens who will pay all the damage which will be caused by that in bd???

After all these calculation is transit still beneficial for bd???
 
If all nations go by your logic, no one would be spending on anything... we would be happy keeping the money in the international banks and live off the interest.... but do you know how interests are added to your principal deposits in a banking system?.... Interests are given when others take loans out of the principal and pay an interest on it. Going by your logic, if you are not investing in any projects and just sitting on the money... how will you get the interests.

Refer to post #39 written by Sami6108. That post gives answer to all your questions and many more. Plain thing is why should we use our money to give facilities to India that does not pay us back a single dime?
 
This is not a issue whether india has a worlds second density of road or not... The is here bangladesh.... bangladesh geographically is not as big as india... so bangladesh does not require that much road... just to remind you bangladesh has already enough roads... but need some bridges, fly over, and other sort of stuff to reduce time and better connectivity... nothing is happening here....

May i humbly ask when you say BD has enough roads then why new roads need to build for trasit??? It clearly says that either BD don't have enough connectivity the way you are suggesting ot the highway's are not good enough for trade....Now if these roads are not good enough for Indian trade then how come these roads are good enough for trade with in BD????


Just to show you how this amount will be used I am posting some part of the post..
Let's c....


Do you think with $53.74 million hundreds of killometer of new road will be built???? Answer is no... even just to build the uttara to narayanganj by pass route in dhaka it will be cost around 2 to 3 billion dollar....
This kind of gives me an inclination that you di have roads but not good enough for trade. Am i right????

Here all the money will be used only for carpeting of the road to make it usable by the heavy indian trucks and cargos.... which bagladesh does not have or use... so total waste of money...
What??? BD do not have trucks and cargo's?? May i humbly ask how you guys are transporting goods from one part of the country to another??? Also don't you think that infrastructure is build once and give benefits for very very long time???? Why are you thinking only about present, why not future??? In about 30 years the projected benefit is about $2 billion dollars...so do you see that you got infrastructure and yet made profit out of it????

Just to give you an example - Connectivity b/w my home town Chandigarh and Delhi was not very good during my child hood days(roads were there but no expressways)...it used to take me little over 5 hours to reach Delhi....Today with expressway's that distance is now less than 4 hours....So in short less time of journey and more powerful roads for transportation....Do you honestly don't see any benefit????

I have seen people have lot of warmth for China but do people realize the chinese model of growth??? They build infrastructure first and then the rest of things follow....In a city of small population no one will think of making an international air-port but chinese...They will first build an Air-port, improve infrastructure and with in no time that area will boom with trade....My advice please ponder over this angle as well...

Second big investment is on rail network from the 2 ports to the routes to facilitate the transport of goods... From the Chittagong port ... rail route will be basically used to transport goods to NE india... this will hardly be used by bd... so another big waste of money...

What??? Do you know the importance of rail route in a country??? May be i am missing something but do you know that rail route is a less costly and more effective way of transportation...Are you saying that there is nothing to transport from Chittagong to different parts of BD which will fall under this route???? Also why looking only from trade perspective...what about travel by netizens???

Just wondering how much bd will use the mongla port rail route as bd usually do not use mongla port that much... So nothing big development for bd...
And reason's BD don't use it that much are????


N in ports bangladesh is already investing billions of dollars... so $129 million and $99 million for mongla port is just like a peanuts... will only be used for india...so benefit of bangladesh is a big question here...
Now you are contradicting yourself...Just above you were saying that BD don't use Mongla port that much and now you are saying that BD herself is putting in billions of dollars to update this fascility and complaining about the amount under this plan as peanuts. My advice please make up your mind...As far as i know Mongla port is economically very good for BD and that's the reason they are investing heavily in this, so whatever amount one gets in this regard is welcome....


This $2.3 billion calculation did not take in to account how much bd will loose business in the NE indian territory... already it is expected to boom under present condition... but if transit is given india will take over all the business... or will make it harder to export bd goods over there...
Then you are not well versed with the currect economy do's and dont's...... Protectionism is not healthy and will not help...Also this $2.3 billion is just talking about transit fee..it is not taking into account the jobs it will create in BD...it is not taking into account the development of the area, it is not taking into account the other indirect trade benefits that BD will get once this route flourishes...It is also not taking into account the potential of this route because it gives you connectivity with India, a very big consumer market with aspiration to improve the connectivity into your neighbours in the east....Buddy there is lot of potential here...My only advice broaden your horizon and see how much beneficial this move going to be....


N regarding terrorism... it is not necessary that they will come from transit check point in bd to target bangladesh.... if they feel that they are under attack and their security has been undermined they will held bd responsible for that.... n will do whatever it takes to cause harm to bd...If that happens who will pay all the damage which will be caused by that in bd???
Are you serious....You are suggesting that relations with India should not be improved otherwise terrorists will attack BD???? B/w this is trade route, how come terrorists are threatened by it???


After all these calculation is transit still beneficial for bd???
I do see benefits, you might not but i hope pondering over some of the points that i raised you might will....
 
I understand that in BD no party listens to any other party. AL and BNP do not care opinions of each other. In that case BD needs a neutral and strong intel agency like ISI or else who will give report to the government before signing anything with foreign countries by judging the present and future cost-benefits, strategy, policy, objective and good or bad intention of the foreign countries.

@ In the next year in the month of February Man Mohan Singh is due to visit Bangladesh. I think before he arrives "Kella fate". In the true sense, the present govt is under tremendous pressure from our great friend(bin bulaye dost). It is not only the transit but also the amendment of our constitution, trial of war criminals, banning of politics of Islamic partries, declaration Secularism etc. All to be made keep quiet in the eastern front.

@ It is due to this, sometimes our PM says "Bismillah" to remain in our constitution, some times she says state religion to remain but in the next the other Awame Leaquer says something complete opposite. Never heard in the political history that a Judiciary or the court amends the constitution. Does the political science books are wrong ? In the true sense govt itself is in great delima, what to do ?:agree::no::agree::angry:
 
Never heard in the political history that a Judiciary or the court amends the constitution. Does the political science books are wrong ? In the true sense govt itself is in great delima, what to do ?:agree::no::agree::angry:

Judiciary did not ammend constitution but the process of ammending was declared unlawfull. The restored constitution is also produced by the parliament itself.
Did you hear of ammending constitution by some Martial law officer??
 
Judiciary did not ammend constitution but the process of ammending was declared unlawfull. The restored constitution is also produced by the parliament itself.
Did you hear of ammending constitution by some Martial law officer??

@ This is not the first time that Martial Law has come in Bangladesh. In the past in almost all the third world countries Martial Law was a common phenomenon. I think, it is more than 87 countries where Martial Law was declared and they ruled the country. In the process they formed a political parties, all Martial Law regulations were passed/ratifies in a parliament by a two-third majority depending on the ammendment process written in the constitution itself. There were ample of examples such as General Park of South Korea, Suhartu and Sukarnu of Indonesia, General Nasir and Anwer Sadat of Egypt, Marcos of Phillipine and many others.

@ Similarly Martial Law came to our country for the greater interest of the mass people. Have forgotten those days when there were no freedom of press, there were no political party except one, no independent judiciary and what not. In those days we were under Socialist Block. Once Martial Law came, a refurrendom was held, all potical parties including AL participated the election and after the election all the ML regulations were passed by a 2/3 majority in parliament. All these things happened as per legal process. Yes, I agree that ML is uncontitutional but here it was everything was legalised in the parliament.

@ Now, if you appoint a political man as justice or chief justice then the verdict will come like the way political master desires. The illegal declaration of 5th amendment by the Lower Court is like a mokery of law. And the saddest part was that govt even does not bother to appeal it to Appeallate Division. In the true sense we are running in a very critical situation, what will happen only god knows.
 
@ This is not the first time that Martial Law has come in Bangladesh. In the past in almost all the third world countries Martial Law was a common phenomenon. I think, it is more than 87 countries where Martial Law was declared and they ruled the country. In the process they formed a political parties, all Martial Law regulations were passed/ratifies in a parliament by a two-third majority depending on the ammendment process written in the constitution itself.
Parliament can not ratify martial law which was the main defence behind this verdict. Parliament can ammend constitution but can not ratify anything illegal act.
No matter how many countries had martial law, they are all unlawfull and was against the will of the people and most of them turned the countries on the verge of failed state.
There were ample of examples such as General Park of South Korea, Suhartu and Sukarnu of Indonesia, General Nasir and Anwer Sadat of Egypt, Marcos of Phillipine and many others.

Other than Korea and singapore name me a successfull country under martial law?? These two countries were only successfull because of America's blessing.

@ Similarly Martial Law came to our country for the greater interest of the mass people. Have forgotten those days when there were no freedom of press, there were no political party except one, no independent judiciary and what not. In those days we were under Socialist Block. Once Martial Law came, a refurrendom was held, all potical parties including AL participated the election and after the election all the ML regulations were passed by a 2/3 majority in parliament. All these things happened as per legal process. Yes, I agree that ML is uncontitutional but here it was everything was legalised in the parliament.

Who makes that judgement. So then why BNP wala hates Ershad so much??

@ Now, if you appoint a political man as justice or chief justice then the verdict will come like the way political master desires. The illegal declaration of 5th amendment by the Lower Court is like a mokery of law. And the saddest part was that govt even does not bother to appeal it to Appeallate Division. In the true sense we are running in a very critical situation, what will happen only god knows.
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The verdict came at the time of BNP regime and they had all the judges they needed in the high court. YOu are totally misinformed. The final verdict came from supreme court appeliate division. BNP slowed down the process by apealing in 2005 and not putting the forward for hearing knowing that they will loose the case.
 

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