TOP ARMED FORCES OF THE WORLD IN 2012!!

[Alchemy]

lolz it seems more western media kinda list.....BTW who give a dam to there stupid lists....

we should work for our country....

Why would western media have 6 out of top 10 as Asian countries

 

[Alchemy]

1.) USA
2.) Russia
3.) China
4.) India

I guess the top 4 looks like this , about the rest there is lot of ambiguity !

 

[longyi]

Turkey - most powerful military of Middle East and Central as well as Western Asia, 2nd largest army and overall military of NATO after US, excellent military training and very well trained according to NATO standards, a very large (over 1,055,000 overall military) and powerful combined force of army (514,000 active, 380,000 reserve and 144,000 paramilitary), navy (best in Middle East and the Muslim world, and air force (best in Middle East), one of the largest Eurasian countries with 75 million people, largest economy in Middle East and in the Muslim world being 17th economy in the world in GDP nominal and 15th in GDP PPP, 8th largest military budget in the world, technologically and in military weapons industry the best in Middle East and in the Muslim world as it has access to NATO weapons and produces 60% of it's own weapons and has future impressive military production projects like a native tank based on the German Leopard model jointly created by South Korea, a unique and strategically as well as geographically important country and considered a bridge between East (Asia and Russia) and West (Europe and the Americas) being near Middle East, one of the few Muslim majority (99% Muslim) countries but a secular democracy, has great influence in Middle East and in the Muslim world due to it's long legacy of Turkic empires ruling over most of Muslim lands especially from the previous Ottoman Empire (1299-1923 ruling over three continents of Arabia and Middle East, North Africa, Anatolia/Asia Minor of current day Turkey and Southeastern Europe/Balkans as well as Caucasus), part of the NATO nuclear sharing policy and possesses 90 nuclear weapons (40-45 of them under the personal use and disposal of the Turkish air force and navy), is capable of producing it's own nuclear weapons with a growing economy and military technology, has signed a deal with neighbouring Russia to open Turkey's first nuclear power plants in the next few years after neighbouring Iran's attempts to acquire these weapons to maintain a balance of power in the region, part of G20 major economies in the world, produces home appliances, TVs (first in Europe), food, weapons, automotives 5th in Europe and 16th in world, textiles, very attractive tourist location, etc.

So yeah, Turkey is without a doubt the most powerful Muslim majority country. And in the near future it will place itself in top 5 without any doubt.

EDIT: WITHOUT BEING DEPENDENT ON OIL, in fact importing all of our oil and gas. So for those who still try to compare Turkey's economy with UAE, Qatar, Iran etc have some reality check.

Agree. Turkey is not only the best in the Middle East, her military is probably better than any one of those NATO Euro nations. Turkish fighters has been known to be the best in the world.

If her economy attains steady growths, she will soon be the regional power in that vast area.

 

[Anon4453]

Well, Its true, The population and Economic strength of the Nation flows into its Army , India's Economy has gone 10x since 1990 , So , its just bound to happen , The nation is developing at 8-9 % per year . And China will probably overtake USA when it has large monetary reserves and its GDP crosses that of USA in nominal values .
So this is more of a question of whose economy is larger . Before World war 2 , Hitler made Germany the most powerful Economy ,I think, at that time , even Italy was a very powerful economy while US and UK were in a super recession . So thats how it is . Their list is true by all means .

 

[Banglar Lathial]

They can get to about somewhat below France's technological level, assuming China doesn't launch a first strike to prevent it. While their navy is very powerful, their highest range domestic ship-ship missiles have a range shorter than China's. Their air force is still using F-4s and F-1s (derived from F-4s). In terms of nuclear delivery, their expertise is mostly in liquid fueled rockets, while missiles are best solid fueled so they can be stored for long periods of time and fired on the move. Their engines are also very weak (low thrust) compared to American, Russian and Chinese ones.

Their biggest enemy is fate and geography. They are 80% dependent on imports for their energy and all their petroleum reserves stored above ground, and they lost 50 years of experience in developing their own military technologies. Because Japan is mountainous, traffic runs along several very crowded corridors. A few cruise missiles would shut the entire country down. The country imports 60% of its food.

The gap between Mongol horsemen and WW2 tech is about as great as the gap between WW2 tech and today's. Prop planes and 30000 ton carriers are as outdated as cavalry in the face of modern military forces. The only time in Japan's history that it was able to "break out" and not get its face smashed immediately was 1890-1945 when China was very weak. It tried once before in 1497 and it got its face smashed by Ming China, losing 200,000 troops vs. Ming's 20,000 in Korea. In the future, Japan will never have this opportunity again.

That's not entirely true but I understand why you would say that considering the bitter history between Japan and China. There is still no room for debate about whether Japan is militarily, industrially, scientifically, technologically and otherwise, stronger than Turkey by a huge margin.

Here is a good summary of Turkish military power. Except Turkish hilarious nimrods' propaganda, there is no achievement of note from Turkey at all.

A brief summary of Turkish military power

1. No indigenous fighter aircraft
2. No indigenous national engine
3. No ICBM
4. No nuclear weapons
5. No SLV capability
6. No aircraft carrier
7. No LPD yet (no Turkish LPD is operational yet, no rational members should be swindled by these illiterate Turks again).
8. No nuclear powered submarines yet
9. No destroyers for its navy yet
10. An economy smaller than Australia


Just to prove that not all that you have written about Japan is true, read the following
ISAS | M-V / Satellite Launch Vehicles

For their role in successful missions including planetary explorations, M-V rockets were highly praised as “the best solid-propellant rockets in the world.

Japan does not have an active ballistic missile programme, but they are fully capable and have the current experience of building some of the most advanced rockets in the world.

As you can also read at JAXA's website, Japan has the privilege of building and testing about a dozen different Satellite Launch Vehicles. You know very well that a country that has such an advanced space programme can easily modify their SLV's for military purposes, including building solid-fuelled Ballistic missiles and ICBMs, at short notice.

That was just one example, and there are many more that can be provided. In short, both Japan and China are two of the three strongest economies in the world at the moment by almost any measure and you have two of the strongest technological foundations for most crucial sectors of important military applications, even though China may be poorer than some of its nearest rivals like Russia, Japan, America, Taiwan, and the quality control process in Chinese produced goods and services has been a matter of ridicule by some people around the world.

Simply put, there is no way to compare Turkish minuscule military to Britain or Japan.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

but you should consider the fact that they are a "self defense force".......atleast in theory!!.......and most of their weapons are us made who can backstab them any time!!

They are "self defence force", that is a political constraint no doubt, but I don't think more of their weapons are US-made than Korea. Japan has a long history of building most, if not all, major weapons systems and subsystems for its military, not like Turkey, India or some other big-mouth propaganda nations with little achievements.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

Turkey - most powerful military of Middle East and Central as well as Western Asia, 2nd largest army and overall military of NATO after US, excellent military training and very well trained according to NATO standards, a very large (over 1,055,000 overall military) and powerful combined force of army (514,000 active, 380,000 reserve and 144,000 paramilitary), navy (best in Middle East and the Muslim world, and air force (best in Middle East), one of the largest Eurasian countries with 75 million people, largest economy in Middle East and in the Muslim world being 17th economy in the world in GDP nominal and 15th in GDP PPP, 8th largest military budget in the world, technologically and in military weapons industry the best in Middle East and in the Muslim world as it has access to NATO weapons and produces 60% of it's own weapons and has future impressive military production projects like a native tank based on the German Leopard model jointly created by South Korea, a unique and strategically as well as geographically important country and considered a bridge between East (Asia and Russia) and West (Europe and the Americas) being near Middle East, one of the few Muslim majority (99% Muslim) countries but a secular democracy, has great influence in Middle East and in the Muslim world due to it's long legacy of Turkic empires ruling over most of Muslim lands especially from the previous Ottoman Empire (1299-1923 ruling over three continents of Arabia and Middle East, North Africa, Anatolia/Asia Minor of current day Turkey and Southeastern Europe/Balkans as well as Caucasus), part of the NATO nuclear sharing policy and possesses 90 nuclear weapons (40-45 of them under the personal use and disposal of the Turkish air force and navy), is capable of producing it's own nuclear weapons with a growing economy and military technology, has signed a deal with neighbouring Russia to open Turkey's first nuclear power plants in the next few years after neighbouring Iran's attempts to acquire these weapons to maintain a balance of power in the region, part of G20 major economies in the world, produces home appliances, TVs (first in Europe), food, weapons, automotives 5th in Europe and 16th in world, textiles, very attractive tourist location, etc.

So yeah, Turkey is without a doubt the most powerful Muslim majority country. And in the near future it will place itself in top 5 without any doubt.

EDIT: WITHOUT BEING DEPENDENT ON OIL, in fact importing all of our oil and gas. So for those who still try to compare Turkey's economy with UAE, Qatar, Iran etc have some reality check.

Most of that is utter BS propaganda from Turkish brainwashed nationals with hardly a single fact in it.

Let me point out some fake Turkish brash statements for enlightened and not-so-enlightened readers from everywhere.

Turkey - most powerful military of Middle East and Central as well as Western Asia

FALSE

navy (best in Middle East and the Muslim world, and air force (best in Middle East)

FALSE

largest economy in Middle East and in the Muslim world

FALSE

technologically and in military weapons industry the best in Middle East and in the Muslim world

Again! FALSE

has great influence in Middle East and in the Muslim world due to it's long legacy of Turkic empires ruling over most of Muslim lands

Wishful thinking

part of the NATO nuclear sharing policy and possesses 90 nuclear weapons

Same as Belgium, Netherlands etc
Turkey is about as "powerful" as Belgium or Netherlands, according to Turks. You have 'said' it, there is no more room for argument. You are not a strong country at all.

produces home appliances, TVs

So does almost every country in the world with a stable political system and about 30m or more people!

So yeah, Turkey is without a doubt the most powerful Muslim majority country.

Turkey is without a doubt the most Westernized "Muslim" majority country but a weak country in overall strength

The reason Turkey is "praised" by Pakistanis is that many Arabs in the Gulf treat poor Pakistani workers in a bad way but the treatment of Pakistanis in Turkey is somewhat better. It's like a mother telling her son that "Of course son, you can defeat all the strongest men in the world all alone. Drink some milk plz. If you Drink milk, you would be as strong as "superman" etc etc. There is not much truth in it, but because of the mother's love for her son, she would praise her son to any extent. Same is the case with Pakistanis and Turks, there is no factual or logical basis behind it.

Show us something that Turkey leads the entire world in. Show us some products, goods, services, research output, anything that Turkey has outpaced the entire world in. Except propaganda, there is nothing to show for all these Turkish foolish claims. Your bitterest rival is Greece. That is enough proof of how strong you are.

Stop your propaganda and show some facts. Why do you have to lie? Indonesia, Gulf Arab countries already have a larger economy than Turkey. You are begging Europe to accept you as a member but they keep rejecting you. This slavery may be natural to you, but your country can not be considered a Muslim country in the first place, let alone a leader of the Muslim world. It's a plot hatched by Anglo-Americans, to use Turkey as trojan horse to poison the minds of Arab youth and move them away from Islam. In the middle east, Turkey is the country where most people are in favour of following infidel Western kufr behaviour, that is why, the West feels comfortable with you and praises you incessantly, it's the same with "Israel". There are no facts or logical bases behind such actions, it's their own natural, cultural, religious, etc biases that shape their ridiculous actions.

Westerners are mostly offsprings of adultery anyway, their opinions and culture do not matter to the Muslims of the world.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

Here is a summary of the discussion so far if some member feels a little too lazy to read the whole thread.

A brief summary of Turkish military power

1. No indigenous fighter aircraft
2. No indigenous national engine
3. No ICBM
4. No nuclear weapons
5. No SLV capability
6. No aircraft carrier
7. No LPD yet (no Turkish LPD is operational yet, no rational members should be swindled by these illiterate Turks again).
8. No nuclear powered submarines yet
9. No destroyers for its navy yet
10. An economy smaller than Australia

 

[silko]

im laughing so hard on this dudes logic...! hahahahaha

i bet Qatar is better than us to... you know, since they are the worlds richest country they can even beat poor Turkey!

 

[zer_0]

They are "self defence force", that is a political constraint no doubt, but I don't think more of their weapons are US-made than Korea. Japan has a long history of building most, if not all, major weapons systems and subsystems for its military, not like Turkey, India or some other big-mouth propaganda nations with little achievements.

can t resist from trolling....

1.No indigenous fighter aircraft
2. No indigenous national engine
3. No ICBM
4. No nuclear weapons
5. No SLV capability
6. No aircraft carrier
7. No LPD yet (no Turkish LPD is operational yet, no rational members should be swindled by these illiterate Turks again).
8. No nuclear powered submarines yet
9. No destroyers for its navy yet
10. An economy smaller than Australia

the above list u ve mentioned are already acheived by india or will be in short period of time....no need to bring india in it:

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Most of that is utter BS propaganda from Turkish brainwashed nationals with hardly a single fact in it.

Let me point out some fake Turkish brash statements for enlightened and not-so-enlightened readers from everywhere.

FALSE



FALSE


FALSE


Again! FALSE


Wishful thinking


Same as Belgium, Netherlands etc
Turkey is about as "powerful" as Belgium or Netherlands, according to Turks. You have 'said' it, there is no more room for argument. You are not a strong country at all.



So does almost every country in the world with a stable political system and about 30m or more people!


Turkey is without a doubt the most Westernized "Muslim" majority country but a weak country in overall strength

The reason Turkey is "praised" by Pakistanis is that many Arabs in the Gulf treat poor Pakistani workers in a bad way but the treatment of Pakistanis in Turkey is somewhat better. It's like a mother telling her son that "Of course son, you can defeat all the strongest men in the world all alone. Drink some milk plz. If you Drink milk, you would be as strong as "superman" etc etc. There is not much truth in it, but because of the mother's love for her son, she would praise her son to any extent. Same is the case with Pakistanis and Turks, there is no factual or logical basis behind it.

Show us something that Turkey leads the entire world in. Show us some products, goods, services, research output, anything that Turkey has outpaced the entire world in. Except propaganda, there is nothing to show for all these Turkish foolish claims. Your bitterest rival is Greece. That is enough proof of how strong you are.

Stop your propaganda and show some facts. Why do you have to lie? Indonesia, Gulf Arab countries already have a larger economy than Turkey. You are begging Europe to accept you as a member but they keep rejecting you. This slavery may be natural to you, but your country can not be considered a Muslim country in the first place, let alone a leader of the Muslim world. It's a plot hatched by Anglo-Americans, to use Turkey as trojan horse to poison the minds of Arab youth and move them away from Islam. In the middle east, Turkey is the country where most people are in favour of following infidel Western kufr behaviour, that is why, the West feels comfortable with you and praises you incessantly, it's the same with "Israel". There are no facts or logical bases behind such actions, it's their own natural, cultural, religious, etc biases that shape their ridiculous actions.

Westerners are mostly offsprings of adultery anyway, their opinions and culture do not matter to the Muslims of the world.

Turkey is the most powerful military in middle east.
Turkey has the best navy in middle east.
Turkey is the biggest economy in Middle East.
Technologically and in military weapons industry the best in Middle East and in the Muslim world

Instead of writing false with red, disprove those points. What a waste of time and effort i spend on you.

1: Indigineous fighter aircraft is under way, but we are already partner country of f35 and produce its weapons integration, air system and propulsion. And Turkey is one of the three countries that can manufacture f16 all by themselves.
2: Turkey is producing its own national engine for the Altay tank which by the way is 1800 hp
3: No ICBM correct
4: We got nuclear weapons
5: LPD is already being made.
6: We don't got AC, but we will get it in a couple of years.

 

[RayKalm]

Load of crap , whats more capable firepower than Nuclear weapons ? You stand an army of a million highly trained soldiers against a Nuclear armed country and all you will get back is some baked potato.

In all honesty, it is hard for anyone to determine the list of best countries especially by what they did here.

GlobalFirepower.com uses numbers, and numbers alone. It leaves out nuclear weapons, modernity, intelligence agencies, special forces, stability and much else.

I would say that the top 4 are these for certain:

1.) USA
2.) Russia
3.) China
4.) India

the the next 6 vary amongst these countries

United Kingdom
France
Turkey
Israel
Pakistan
Japan
South Korea
Brazil
Germany
Taiwan

 

[Banglar Lathial]

Turkey is the most powerful military in middle east.

False

Turkey has the best navy in middle east.

Arguable.

Turkey is the biggest economy in Middle East.

Gulf Cooperation Council of Arab states is located in the Middle East. Also you had claimed Turkey is the largest economy in the Muslim world. It is not.

Technologically and in military weapons industry the best in Middle East and in the Muslim world

False. Turkey does not even produce a simple ballistic missile with range in excess of 1000 km.

Instead of writing false with red, disprove those points. What a waste of time and effort i spend on you.

The onus is on you to prove your points since you claimed them first. Once you show us what little Turkey has achieved, then I can disprove your false claims one by one. It should be an easy task.

1: Indigineous fighter aircraft is under way, but we are already partner country of f35 and produce its weapons integration, air system and propulsion. And Turkey is one of the three countries that can manufacture f16 all by themselves.

F-16 is an American platform. You just obtained licenses to assemble them. Nothing special about it. Egypt could have done the same if they had wanted and signed the CISMOA agreement, and so could dozens of other countries. You are Level 3 partner of the F-35, it does not get lower than this. You are at the same level as Norway and Denmark, which again proves Turkey is a weak country.

Again, planning fighter aircrafts for the future does not make your country strong at all. You have to induct them, they have to be successful and they have to beat all their opponents for you to beat your own chests.

2: Turkey is producing its own national engine for the Altay tank which by the way is 1800 hp

That means Turkey has NOT produced ANY national engine for any vehicle whatsoever YET? That proves my point, Turkey is weak, once again.

3: No ICBM correct

True.

4: We got nuclear weapons

Same way that Belgium, Netherlands and other weak countries do. They are not your weapons, you store them because NATO has bases on your soil and you sought NATO protection simply because you were too weak to protect yourselves. Think about it. Why are there American bases on Turkish soil but no Turkish bases on American soil? It is because America is the leader of NATO, you are just a minor country.

5: LPD is already being made.

No LPD has been built yet. Future procurements are yet to be seen. What % of the subsystems are of national origin? This is wihle tiny countries like Singapore have designed, built, and even exported their LPDs. Can we say that Singapore is stronger than Turkey? What a joke nation.

6: We don't got AC, but we will get it in a couple of years.

BS propaganda. Show us when you got it. What happened to your Milgem corvettes. What % of its components are national? How many of them have been inducted in your navy?

You do not even know the future, how can you say with certainty that you will get them. That is the first point. Second point is, how can you proclaim to be "strong" based on your gov't propaganda of possible/probable future procurements for your military?

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can t resist from trolling....

the above list u ve mentioned are already acheived by india or will be in short period of time....no need to bring india in it:

If you can't resist from trolling, then it is advisable to seek advice from a psychologist. India, Turkey, USA, "Israel" are some of the biggest propaganda-dependent nations on earth because their citizens actually believe their government's and media's outright lies and delusional propagandas about their "greatness" and "achievements" to a great extent, despite all the facts that point to the contrary.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

In all honesty, it is hard for anyone to determine the list of best countries especially by what they did here.

GlobalFirepower.com uses numbers, and numbers alone. It leaves out nuclear weapons, modernity, intelligence agencies, special forces, stability and much else.

I would say that the top 4 are these for certain:

1.) USA
2.) Russia
3.) China
4.) India

the the next 6 vary amongst these countries

United Kingdom
France
Turkey
Israel
Pakistan
Japan
South Korea
Brazil
Germany
Taiwan

Only the first three countries, USA, Russia and China are mostly agreed upon by all people. The rest of the list is highly questionable. One could ask why Pakistan, Turkey, Taiwan, Brazil are in your list but no Iran, Egypt, Ukraine, Indonesia and many other countries.

 

[silko]

reported for insulting my identity... keep on trolling dude. just goes to show your "i am propaganda free" and "government of Turkey gives them nothing but propaganda".

we have seen Turkeys achievements and can base our reality on something else than just ICBM's and Nukes.

you do have a very ignorant mind when you say Turkey has US base but US has no Turkish base, and that USA is NATO boss.

there is a difference between NATO and USA, hope you can get that into your ignorant brain.