Time for Pakistan to go offensive

[El Sidd]

Is this the same BATMAN who spams ‘nuke india’ in every India vs Pakistan thread as his solution..!
Lol, what more can one expect from him.
Continue..!

he is not wrong.

just too early

 

[Yaseen1]

No need of going for war unless war is imposed as world would declare us irresponsible nuclear state and will blacklist us and u.s may destroy our nukes govt is doing right by avoiding war as far as they can

 

[jupiter2007]

War is not a new concept in our region, every 2-4 decades we have war.
Even if India back out today, they'll come back tomorrow with allies.
Pakistan is only missing their old general Pervez Musharraf. He's a master strategist and war planer, he believes in commanding peace through show of power and intent to use the power.

Musharraf may have made few correct decisions but he destroyed Pakistan by allowing USA to use our land, airspace, airbases and ports for WOT. He got scared of USA. Had he held his ground and not take the pressure from USA, we would have been in much better position. We could have saved 70,000 lives and 100 billon dollars worth of trade and growth. Also he gave NRO to corrupt mafia.

 

[BATMAN]

and then what

you want to be responsible for a billion brainwashed people with no sense of human development.

No deal.

If needed.... but India can't be allowed to have at least airforce. Otherwise, they'll keep coming until we have no more tea in Pakistan.
Pakistan must ask UN to exclude tea from the menu of PoW.

Is this the same BATMAN who spams ‘nuke india’ in every India vs Pakistan thread as his solution..!
Lol, what more can one expect from him.
Continue..!

This is news to me and look who is talking... and Indian. Where are your preemptive strikes?
I heard all your pilots suddenly fell sick?

 

[El Sidd]

If needed.... but India can't be allowed to have at least airforce. Otherwise, they'll keep coming until we have no more tea in Pakistan.
Pakistan must ask UN to exclude tea from the menu of PoW.

Indian airforce struggles to meet its operational demands even today. its a golden egg laying chicken.

however India should be denuclearized for netter Chance At human Development in the region

 

[BATMAN]

he destroyed Pakistan by allowing USA to use our land, airspace, airbases and ports for WOT

As long he was there all was good. It was his resignation which destroyed Pakistan... because ruling PPP elected Zardari as president as expected.

 

[BATMAN]

Indian airforce struggles to meet its operational demands even today. its a golden egg laying chicken.

however India should be denuclearized for netter Chance At human Development in the region

Agree... they are a total irresponsible state.
They have multiple times tried to trigger a war, on numerous occasions initiated a war.
Yesterday they tried escalate a war, with nuclear armed neighbor.
These people don't think rationally. They have proven themselves unworthy of having nuclear war heads.
They are lucky that Pakistan have a weak foreign office.

 

[Rank]

 

[El Sidd]

Agree... they are a total irresponsible state.
They have multiple times tried to trigger a war, on numerous occasions initiated a war.
Yesterday they tried escalate a war, with nuclear armed neighbor.
These people don't think rationally. They have proven themselves unworthy of having nuclear war heads.
They are lucky that Pakistan have a weak foreign office.

Pakistans trust in peace as a survival policy is not from a position of weakneas. on the contrary it is a more of a responsibility.

sorrounded by countries driven with religious indoctrination and stricken with insecurity. Pakistan has carried the region so far.

India will Not have nuclear weapons by the end of the war

 

[Army research]

Agree... they are a total irresponsible state.
They have multiple times tried to trigger a war, on numerous occasions initiated a war.
Yesterday they tried escalate a war, with nuclear armed neighbor.
These people don't think rationally. They have proven themselves unworthy of having nuclear war heads.
They are lucky that Pakistan have a weak foreign office.

When Egypt Syria Jordan bought their forces forward , israel didn't wait but pounded their air forces to the ground, had they not the state of israel would not have existed anymore ,
Realistic chance of modi waiting to get pilot back then going on the offensive because why not ? He's sure to lose the next election and has got nothing to lose ,
I agree with you sir , many people do not see that war is in human nature , and say we don't have war now 5, 6 years later there will be another aircraft carrier rafael s400 stealth ac chance , IADS of multi tier more tanks New service rifle maintaincece issues solved , we don't have the money to counter this, it's really now or never

 

[Ocelot]

Bhutto thought the same after Rann of Kutch incident to settle the Kashmir issue. Fact is they have overwhelming numbers, any such attack would turn into a war of attrition which doesn't suit us.

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam


I think Pakistan should play to its advantage. If we were certain of a direct open war going in our favour, we know for sure the military would've convinced IK for it. We may be able to fight and win but we have to certain of our victory when we risk looking as the aggressor.

This certainly does not mean we should not think of a solution of the Kashmir issue that doesn't involve a military aspect. However, I think it should be done with prep time.

The Indians are well on their way to turning kashmir into a serious mess themselves. We should try and initially just lend support to that cause as well as any other where we can.

Communalism is on the rise in India and its going to have consequences for them. We just have prepare ourself to be strong enough to be able take advantage of any opportunities that may arise.

Today, however, we are in recovery mode and that is why it has been decided to not appear as the aggressor.


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[Signalian]

It's proven beyond doubt that India can't win any conventional battle with Pakistan.
It's not because they have less ammunition, but because they are not battle harden army.
I bet Indians have realized it squarely, but giving them any chance of preparation for future battles would be stupidity, even by measures of common sense.

There can't be a better opportunity to break back of Indian army forever.

At this moment, IAF is physiologically defeated. They will not engage PAF but will run away.
All what PAF need to do is drop payloads at parked IAF jets.

Apparently, Indian army is a big mess and all of it should be decimated in Kashmir without delay.
Last time we saw there mess at the time of Kargil. They are still the same.

Pakistan can't afford to pull back at this opportune moment in history.

After decimating Indian armed forces, we'll take back what belonged to us in 1947.

India will find it difficult to win a conventional war with Pakistan because the nuclear weapons will be thrown in equation when Indian Army enters deep with inside Pakistan's borders. Even then by that time IA would have decimated much of the PA and would regard this destruction as victory. In order to counter all this, as soon as war starts, PA will launch its own offensives inside India to keep the war on their territory.

Psychological victory can be achieved in many ways otherwise also. One successful operation by any army can change the tide of the war by uplifting spirit of soldiers. If IAF is completely mobilized against PAF, it would be a battle of survival for PAF. At the end of the day, losses will be on both ends. It wouldn't matter who lost more or less, because you can even see now the amount of propaganda shown in the news about covering own losses and blaming the other side. Soldiers get affected mostly by what they see in combat first hand. If PA soldiers get high morale due to wins in WOT, IA morale might rise through subduing the civilian population of Indian Occupied Kashmir. If PAF shows its teeth by downing IAF aircrafts, the IAF Pilots will be in high spirits knowing they have a larger number of aircrafts and try to fight a war of attrition with PAF. What you are saying is exactly what Ayub thought after 1962 and during 1965 and the result wasn't favorable. East Pakistan could still be standing had India not been threatened thrice during 1965 (Rann of Kutch, Op Gibraltar, Op Grandslam). Eventually India attacked on IB in september 1965 and Pakistan defended itself. But then Pakistan couldn't cope up with Indian military Modernization from 1966-1971 and then East Pakistan was lost.

Pakistan has an active front in Baluchistan/KPK, another on LOC and now a third front opened up all along Indian border involving Air Force and probably Navy soon. Iran is sitting next to Baluchistan and is under Indian influence. An aerial victory on LOC doesn't guarantee that Pakistani Military can fight a war on all these fronts simultaneously and successfully. As soon as a full fledged war starts, the enemy will play as dirty as possible, and India is preparing to do that exactly. LOC will become hot and forces will invade all along the border, Indian proxies in Afghanistan will actively target western border and will tie down FC all along western border. India will use Iran soil to launch more covert operatives inside Baluchistan since military resources from baluchistan will move out to Sindh. The incidents of destruction inside Pakistan will start to rise due to incursions from Afghanistan. FC in KPK and Baluchistan will lose support of SSG, ISI, Army Gunships, LCB's, PAF strike aircraft and artillery as all these will be deployed against IA and IAF. Any ongoing Covert Ops and spy leads currently in process inside Baluchistan will be lost. This means all the sacrifices and efforts of Military on western border since past 15 years will go down the drain.

Its in best interest of Pakistan and Military to first win the war in the west, make Iran realize its folly of assisting India and focus on improving economy. Pakistan-India war will damage the region badly with no useful outcome except deaths of soldiers and civilians as well as destruction of equipment and infrastructure. India will lose a decade probably of its modernization race with China where as the tenure of Pakistan's war on western border will become longer. No piece of land will be conquered by either country. Kashmir is important, but peace on western front is important too. If Indian Kashmir has to be taken militarily, China has to play its part too since China is sitting on top of Kashmir, but China is poised towards its own economic growth, which can be seen through CPEC.

Its useful to compete with India on economic, research and development, diplomatic, scientific, exporting and industrial fronts. We have example of South Korea and North Korea.

 

[jupiter2007]

As long he was there all was good. It was his resignation which destroyed Pakistan... because ruling PPP elected Zardari as president as expected.

He was the reason they came in power.

 

[Signalian]

All jokes aside...........Forget nukes, india is no match for Pakistan's conventional military superiority.............the reality of the last few days has shown this........things have got so bad for india that they showed pictures of their aircraft destroyed by us and claimed it was Pakistani aircraft destroyed by india even when they had indian flags on it..............nothing anyone says can change this reality...........

An all out full fledged war is different from a skirmish in a certain zone. India is trying to lure Pakistan and create a reason for war to start.