Time for Conscription

[CrazyZ]

I'm sure this has been discussed numerous times but considering the current confrontation, should Pakistan consider partial conscription of 18 - 20 yo men?

My rational is that any future war will be fought largely in Kashmir. Having tons of additional infantry troops would make an offensive operation to liberate IOK a possibility. Considering the change in the Indian side to initiate an aggression against Pakistan we have to change our approach as well. Supporting an unconventional insurgency will leave us open to international allegations of supporting terrorism. We need to develop a conventional option as well.

Another area I see these conscripts help out is in infrastructure development. We need to invest 5% -10% of our GDP into infrastructure development. A low debt way to this would be to conscript young men into the Army corp of Engineers and have them build or support building of energy, water, and transport infrastructure.... Hydro power dams being the priority.

As far as I'm concerned young men in Pakistan should either be at work, studying in school, praying at mosque or in the military.

 

[bananarepublic]

I'm sure this has been discussed numerous times but considering the current confrontation, should Pakistan consider partial conscription of 18 - 20 yo men?

My rational is that any future war will be fought largely in Kashmir. Having tons of additional infantry troops would make an offensive operation to liberate IOK a possibility. Considering the change in the Indian side to initiate an aggression against Pakistan we have to change our approach as well. Supporting an unconventional insurgency will leave us open to international allegations of supporting terrorism. We need to develop a conventional option as well.

Another area I see these conscripts help out is in infrastructure development. We need to invest 5% -10% of our GDP into infrastructure development. A low debt way to this would be to conscript young men into the Army corp of Engineers and have them build or support building of energy, water, and transport infrastructure.... Hydro power dams being the priority.

As far I'm concerned young men in Pakistan should either be at work, studying in school, praying at mosque or in the military.

do we also have the option of sleeping till 2pm ?

 

[CrazyZ]

do we also have the option of sleeping till 2pm ?

In a foxhole.

 

[TheNoob]

I'm sure this has been discussed numerous times but considering the current confrontation, should Pakistan consider partial conscription of 18 - 20 yo men?

My rational is that any future war will be fought largely in Kashmir. Having tons of additional infantry troops would make an offensive operation to liberate IOK a possibility. Considering the change in the Indian side to initiate an aggression against Pakistan we have to change our approach as well. Supporting an unconventional insurgency will leave us open to international allegations of supporting terrorism. We need to develop a conventional option as well.

Another area I see these conscripts help out is in infrastructure development. We need to invest 5% -10% of our GDP into infrastructure development. A low debt way to this would be to conscript young men into the Army corp of Engineers and have them build or support building of energy, water, and transport infrastructure.... Hydro power dams being the priority.

As far I'm concerned young men in Pakistan should either be at work, studying in school, praying at mosque or in the military.

Your concerns need to be kept to yourself.

Pakistan has no shortage of volunteers for the Military and the state wants to keep it that way.
We're in no shortage of manpower or resources.

 

[Asimzranger]

I think it should be compulsory 1 year training after matric for both boys and girls.

 

[bananarepublic]

In a foxhole.

will i get a blanket too ?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I think it should be compulsory 1 year training after matric for both boys and girls.

Agreed. One year conscription. Not for the frontlines but deploy them on cleaning the country up, digging canals, going to remote areas and teaching kids, laying underground sewer lines by digging and fill over etc.

 

[Cygnus Black]

Conscripts are more trouble than they are worth. But yes, a BIG war is coming within the next 2-10 years. And the main theater of war will be Kashmir and north-eastern Punjab (Shakargarh bulge)

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Conscripts are more trouble than they are worth.

The entire German Army ~ Whermacht thsat conquered most of Europe and North Africa was mostly conscript. The Israeli army that has defeated all Arab armies is conscript. The British Army that fought in both world wars was mostly conscript. Large scale wars can only be fought with conscript armies where you lost million men in combat. Professional armies are okay for storm in teacup affairs ...

And the Turkish Army is mostly conscript ...

 

[Cygnus Black]

The entire German Army ~ Whermacht thsat conquered most of Europe and North Africa was mostly conscript. The Israeli army that has defeated all Arab armies is conscript. The British Army that fought in both world wars was mostly conscript. Large scale wars can only be fought with conscript armies where you lost million men in combat. Professional armies are okay for storm in teacup affairs ...

Those were long wars lasting years during which time these countries had transformed into war economies. Israeli army is an exception because of low population and large external threats. In South Asia, conscription is not necessary because any future war is not going to last more than 3 to 4 weeks at most. Even India with its huge resources will quickly run out of steam. India and Pakistan are never going to fight an attrition-type war like Iraq-Iran war.

 

[CrazyZ]

The entire German Army ~ Whermacht thsat conquered most of Europe and North Africa was mostly conscript. The Israeli army that has defeated all Arab armies is conscript. The British Army that fought in both world wars was mostly conscript. Large scale wars can only be fought with conscript armies where you lost million men in combat. Professional armies are okay for storm in teacup affairs ...

And the Turkish Army is mostly conscript ...

South Korea and Vietnam as well...both managed to grow their economies while supporting large conscript armies, but both were authoritarian regimes that were centrally organized and focused on economic development. Export industries were given priority especially in energy.

Iran used a combination of conscripts and better trained regular army formations together against Iraq with good effect. The conscripts would initiate the offensive (many would die) but weaknesses in Iraqi lines were created and identified... regular army formations would exploit these weak spots. Napoleon used a similar strategy to conquer most of Europe (he would hold his elite formation in reserve).

Even in south....light infantry can be effective, look at the Syrian Civil War. How Many T-72's were knocked out by guided missile fired by minimally trained militants....Thousands. Even the Bashar regime relies heavily on light infantry militias to lead the fight against the rebels.

Those were long wars lasting years during which time these countries had transformed into war economies. Israeli army is an exception because of low population and large external threats. In South Asia, conscription is not necessary because any future war is not going to last more than 3 to 4 weeks at most. Even India with its huge resources will quickly run out of steam. India and Pakistan are never going to fight an attrition-type war like Iraq-Iran war.

I think India's current objective is a war of attrition...but economically. We may have to shift to a war economy. Civilians may get less in the near term so military and export industries can be supported.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

going to last more than 3 to 4 weeks at most. Even India with its huge resources will quickly run out of steam. India and Pakistan are never going to fight an attrition-type war like Iraq-Iran war.

And I said -

Professional armies are okay for storm in teacup affairs ...

 

[waz]

Some form of military training is fine for all men, about 6 months. But Pakistan can't afford the costs with such a vast population i.e. 215 million people.
Perhaps in smaller numbers, but I agree their effectiveness on the battlefield is simply not up to par with the man who has made it his life to learn about killing and warfare.

A great clip from 300 emphasising this;

 

[YeBeWarned]

@Tps43 bhai meri mp3 SMG ka kia hua ? ab tu Conscription pe baat a gae hai

Some form of military training is fine for all men, about 6 months. But Pakistan can't afford the costs with such a vast population i.e. 215 million people.
Perhaps in smaller numbers, but I agree their effectiveness on the battlefield is simply not up to par with the man who has made it his life to learn about killing and warfare.

A great clip from 300 emphasising this;

Bro, In Pakistan we don't have trained people, and you have seen what TTP did it , imagine if those fighters were trained by Army at some point .

 

[CrazyZ]

Some form of military training is fine for all men, about 6 months. But Pakistan can't afford the costs with such a vast population i.e. 215 million people.
Perhaps in smaller numbers, but I agree their effectiveness on the battlefield is simply not up to par with the man who has made it his life to learn about killing and warfare.

A great clip from 300 emphasising this;

Agreed. It doesn't have to be a full conscription. It could be a lottery for .5 - 1 Million young men. Only the best would be considered for combat. The rest can be sent to the army engineering corp to work on enhancing our energy/water infrastructure.

The most powerful military's in history were conscript forces. The Spartans had some good battles but ultimately became Persian vassals in time and were defeated by a larger coalition of Greek states. Actually the Ottoman Janissary...children raised from a small age to be elite soldiers was another potent example of this. May be we start the draft at age 12.....the best become our version of our Spartans/Janissary's.