Ok I have read enough! Kindly stop using the forum for shit propagation...We dont need enemies in Islam when we have many here to "willingly" confuse everyone!
The oldest quran was in possession of 1 of the Prophet's wives...She had it in the order ALLAH wanted it and Uthman R.A. took it to replicate it....."the historical artifact" circulates around the world and you can view it ....
After that quran there are numerous others in Turkey museum and Saudi museums....
The one in the Birmingham :
Muslims believe Muhammad received the revelations that form the Quran, the scripture of Islam, between 610 and 632, the year of his death. Professor Thomas said tests by the Oxford Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit indicated with a probability of more than 94 percent that the parchment dated from 568 to 645.
During the time of Muhammad, the divine message was not compiled into the book form in which it appears today, Professor Thomas said. Rather, the words believed to be from God as told to Muhammad were preserved in the “memories of men” and recited. Parts were
written on parchment, stone, palm leaves and the shoulder blades of camels, he said.
However, we know for a fact that during 1 of the battles a lot of Hafeez-e-quran were martyred and thus there was a call to write it down.....
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Consisting of two parchment leaves, the manuscript in Birmingham contains parts of what are now Chapters 18 to 20. For years, the manuscript had been mistakenly bound with leaves of a similar Quran manuscript.
Saud al-Sarhan, the director of research at the King Faisal Center for Research and Islamic Studies in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, said he doubted that the manuscript found in Birmingham was as old as the researchers claimed, noting that its Arabic script included dots and separated chapters — features that were introduced later. He also said that dating the skin on which the text was written did not prove when it was written. Manuscript skins were sometimes washed clean and reused later, he said.
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They prob need to date the ink not the skin (which they did)
Plus it was just 2 "pages" so it proves 1 thing Quran came down in pieces and people were asked to preserve it as it came....However since there is doubt based on the writing style...cant say much!
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A manuscript from the University of Tübingen Library in Germany was
found last year and sourced to the seventh century, 20 to 40 years after the death of the prophet. Fragments from Tübingen were radiocarbon-tested by a lab in Zurich and determined with 95 percent certainty to have originated from 649 to 675, making the Birmingham text a few years older.
In this case, the Oxford laboratory measured the age of the goat or sheep whose skin was turned into parchment.
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Again fragments were radiocarbon...I hope they analyze the ink soon!
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Graham Bench, director of the Center for Accelerator Mass Spectrometry at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, concurred, and added a caveat: “You’re dating the parchment,” he said. “You’re not dating the ink. You’re making the assumption that the parchment or vellum was used within years of it being made, which is probably a reasonable assumption, but it’s not watertight.”
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The fragments were part of a collection of more than 3,000 documents from the Middle East
amassed in the 1920s by Alphonse Mingana, a theologian and historian who was born in what is now Iraq. His document-gathering expeditions to the Middle East were funded by Edward Cadbury, a member of the famous chocolate-making family.
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Fancy word they use for stealing
And finally:
“We know now that these two folios, in a beautiful and surprisingly legible Hijazi hand, almost certainly date from the time of the first three caliphs,” he said. He added that,
according to classic accounts, it was under the third caliph, Uthman ibn Affan, that the Quranic text was compiled and the suras arranged into the order familiar today.
