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Russia's Crisis Is Exactly How The Soviet Union Collapsed

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The Russian ruble is collapsing, reaching fresh historical lows on a daily basis. At the same time, oil prices are heading even further into the floor — the price of oil is down nearly 50% in the past six months.

The currency's fall has crossed the line from a headache to a full-blown crisis. A massive interest hike Monday night from the Central Bank of Russia (to 17% from 10.5%) barely held off the ruble's fall for a couple of hours.

It's raising memories of previous collapses in Russia, like the 1998 financial crisis. But for some, it's more like the 1980s oil glut that eventually brought down the Soviet Union.

Here's Yegor Gaidar writing for the American Enterprise Institute seven years ago. He was Russia's acting prime minister between 1991 and 1994, years of extreme economic pain for Russia.

He describes the starting point of the USSR's collapse:

The timeline of the collapse of the Soviet Union can be traced to September 13, 1985. On this date, Sheikh Ahmed Zaki Yamani, the minister of oil of Saudi Arabia, declared that the monarchy had decided to alter its oil policy radically. The Saudis stopped protecting oil prices, and Saudi Arabia quickly regained its share in the world market. During the next six months, oil production in Saudi Arabia increased fourfold, while oil prices collapsed by approximately the same amount in real terms.

Sound familiar?

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It should. OPEC, the group of oil-producing nations, failed to agree to a cut in output (the usual response to falling prices) this November. Statements from the Saudi oil minister and other officials have suggested that the country, and the other gulf states, are happy to let prices slide. That leaves countries like Russia in a perilous position.

In the late 1980s, the Soviet Union was forced into an embarrassing scramble for money. It tried to make deals with numerous banks, but the funding offered was far smaller than what the country required. Food shortages worsened, and Moscow needed the help of governments in the West, for which the USSR effectively had to allow Eastern European countries to assert independence.

Writing in 2007, Gaidar warned against the consensus that oil prices would stay high:

What lessons can we learn from the Soviet collapse and apply to the current situation in Russia? First, we must remember that Russia today is an oil-dependent economy. No one can accurately predict the fluctuations of oil prices. The collapse of the Soviet Union should serve as a lesson to those who construct policy based on the assumption that oil prices will remain perpetually high. It would seem that in our country, which has lived through the collapse of the late 1980s and early 1990s, this fact would be evident. But as soon as the prices went up again at the beginning of 2000 and in 2004 became comparable in real terms to those at the beginning of the 1980s, the idea that “high oil revenues are forever” has gained an even wider acceptance.

Russia today isn't the same top-down, command-and-control economy that it was in the 1980s, but the dynamic hasn't changed entirely. The country is still hugely dependent on oil, particularly in terms of tax revenues and exports.

And Gaidar thinks the collapse of the Soviet Union is still relevant for modern Russia:

One more lesson that is relevant for Russian politics today is that authoritarian regimes, although displaying a façade of strength, are fragile in crisis. In conditions of relative stability, society is prepared to tolerate the lack of real elections. People are prepared to come to terms with this situation as an inevitable and habitual evil. But they will do so only until the country encounters a serious challenge, requiring decisive and tough measures in order to adapt to unfavourable conditions.

Russian banks are watching their share prices go through the floor Tuesday. The Soviet Union may be over, but the falling oil price still poses a debt challenge for Russia. This time, its banks are more likely to take the heat.
 

that describes how western media sees collapse of societies... economics, money, stock prices...

in that case, india should collapse long before russia does... since mid 90's, india had grown richer ( only money-wise ) on the back of outsourced projects from usa and britain, mainly... and now, india's software/services industry is more or less finished... india is taking a 30 billion dollar loan from china, plus the 20 billion promised by japan ( which will never be fulfilled ).

it is the western bloc that is changing.
 
that describes how western media sees collapse of societies... economics, money, stock prices...

in that case, india should collapse long before russia does... since mid 90's, india had grown richer ( only money-wise ) on the back of outsourced projects from usa and britain, mainly... and now, india's software/services industry is more or less finished... india is taking a 30 billion dollar loan from china, plus the 20 billion promised by japan ( which will never be fulfilled ).

it is the western bloc that is changing.


Good point. The world is about happiness and kindness. Only oligarchs see humans and the world in terms of money. Yes money is a part of the world, but it is a tiny part of the world. Over 99% of human history never had any money. Money was only invented hundreds of years ago. Humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years.

As technology progresses, the world becomes Communist. The days of money is numbered. Look at the US. Even poor people get free money from the government and drive luxury brand cars.
 
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How'd that work out for the old Soviet Union ? Marx was wrong.

soviet union dissolved because of traitors, libyan jamahiriya fell because of international conspiracy... nevertheless the idea of communism is natural and eternal.
 
soviet union dissolved because of traitors, libyan jamahiriya fell because of international conspiracy... nevertheless the idea of communism is natural and eternal.

'Traitors'. 'Conspiracies'. HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!! Sure. :rofl: Now excuse me while I go line my canary's cage with rubles. That's about all they're worth.
 

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