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The Fall Of Nawaz Sharif And What It Means For India

Indians have started trolling on quora calling nawaz sharif disqualification as army's plan to stop good relations with india.
One only wonders , what a pathetic obsessed nation .
 
Could be. But look at it as a snowball effect. A small rock rolling down a mountain will pack up snow and grow in size. The people feel empowered and so do the civil servants in these institutions. Stories of employees being locked up in their rooms, pressured/threatened/intimidated to close cases involving influential individuals.

There seems to be a shift in direction. For those saying it's the spooky Pakistani Military, well, they're working in some other dimension that isn't limited to 24 hour days. Involved in the border with India/ Afghanistan/ Iran, military operations in the western/southern part of the country, policing duties in Karachi/ Gwadar/ Gilgit, low intensity operations in Sindh/Punjab/ Balochistan/ Gilgit, re-equipment training for COIN, and most importantly watching Cricket matches. And they still have time for foreign relations, economy, politics, and removing PMs?

Realize the Corrupt Practices Bureau of Singapore can pick up anyone just for the thought of corruption be it the minister or his family member. The Pakistani equivalent, NAB, is accused of "institutional mismanagement".

There are numerous cases of corruption against politicians while the NAB has effectively been "defanged". A minister arrested in Balochistan will millions of rupees in his house. Thousands of ghost teachers, forgery papers by State Bank officials.....

The current interim PM Shahid Abbasi, is stated to be the owner of Airblue, which he denies, but for a publicly traded company there is no record for?
@I.R.A

Thank you both for your thoughtful answers.

I get what you're saying. Nawaz was corrupt - no doubt about it.


However, know that the spin outside Pakistan will assume that the army is using the constitional bodies to get what they want. I am not talking about India - theoretic Muslim - you live in US - you can see how the US is interpreting this already and what the US thinks today - so goes Europe tomorrow.

things in favor - a) nawaz had an exceptionally bad relationship with the army post Musharraf coup. He is also an egotist and never worked out a good relationship with the army . B) Imran khan was also named in the panama papers - but no action against him - he has a better working relationship C). People remember what happened to benazir - and they have their reservations.

Ok - look I can see this thread is going to get heated up - ive said what I wanted - hope it all works out.

Theoretic Muslim - did you know you cannot be "mentioned" without a proper computer? - because of your fancy Greek lettering .lol.
 
Indians have started trolling on quora calling nawaz sharif disqualification as army's plan to stop good relations with india.
One only wonders , what a pathetic obsessed nation .

These are the same Indians that were beating the drums of war during Nawaz Sharif's entire tenure. These are the same Indians who play the Punjab ethnic card. It is funny how these opportunistic Indian hypocrites change their stance in a whim and defend Nawaz Sharif only when it suits their narrative. LOL how the tide has turned indeed.

Pakistanis should just remain calm and take note of the reaction by our enemies. Gauge their irrelevant response.

This move bodes very well for democracy in Pakistan. We don't want sham democracy imported from the shores of America. Pakistanis need to decide their own fate and future.

@I.R.A

Thank you both for your thoughtful answers.

I get what you're saying. Nawaz was corrupt - no doubt about it.


However, know that the spin outside Pakistan will assume that the army is using the constitional bodies to get what they want. I am not talking about India - theoretic Muslim - you live in US - you can see how the US is interpreting this already and what the US thinks today - so goes Europe tomorrow.

things in favor - a) nawaz had an exceptionally bad relationship with the army post Musharraf coup. He is also an egotist and never worked out a good relationship with the army . B) Imran khan was also named in the panama papers - but no action against him - he has a better working relationship C). People remember what happened to benazir - and they have their reservations.

Ok - look I can see this thread is going to get heated up - ive said what I wanted - hope it all works out.

Theoretic Muslim - did you know you cannot be "mentioned" without a proper computer? - because of your fancy Greek lettering .lol.

The people of Pakistan don't care what a hypocritical nation on the other side of the ocean thinks or says. The US should know what their approval rating is inside Pakistan. It is laughable how a nation that doesn't spare a minute in blaming Pakistan for all the ills in the world is today shedding crocodile tears for democracy in Pakistan LOL It is beyond pathetic.

American and Indian concerns are the last thing on the planet that Pakistanis care about. In fact, the more concerns both these nations have the better.
 
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These are the same Indians that were beating the drums of war during Nawaz Sharif's entire tenure. These are the same Indians who play the Punjab ethnic card. It is funny to these Indian hypocrites are defending Nawaz Sharif. LOL how the tide has turned indeed.

Pakistanis should just remain calm and take note of the reaction by our enemies. Gauge their irrelevant response.



The people of Pakistan don't care what a hypocritical nation on the other side of the ocean thinks or says. The US should know what their approval rating is inside Pakistan.

American and Indian concerns are the last thing on the planet that Pakistanis care about.

Enemies such as indian nation are not worthy of our much attention .. because as more as I understand them .. The more I realise .. They're just third class beggers and they belong to a shet hole that has nothing to prove but only boasts about their history and nuclear arms .. otherwise it's just a shit hole with shitty people .. third class lose beggers. .

We need to improve our country and concentrate on our problems ..beggers should be ignored .
 
Enemies such as indian nation are not worthy of our much attention .. because as more as I understand them .. The more I realise .. They're just third class beggers and they belong to a shet hole that has nothing to prove but only boasts about their history and nuclear arms .. otherwise it's just a shit hole with shitty people .. third class lose beggers. .

We need to improve our country and concentrate on our problems ..beggers should be ignored .

Well, the latest ruling by the judiciary is exactly a move in the right direction. The powerful aren't above the law. No matter how rich and powerful. Now we need accountability across the bord. The judiciary should also behind by sorting out its own house. The case against Nawaz Sharif is most welcome because it sets the right precedent. The people of Pakistan aren't going to fall for this American/Indian conspiracy BS against the Pak armed forces. Nawaz Sharif dug his own grave with Panama leaks. It wasn't Imran Khan or the Pak armed forces that leaked Panama revelations.
 
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@I.R.A

Thank you both for your thoughtful answers.

I get what you're saying. Nawaz was corrupt - no doubt about it.


However, know that the spin outside Pakistan will assume that the army is using the constitional bodies to get what they want. I am not talking about India - theoretic Muslim - you live in US - you can see how the US is interpreting this already and what the US thinks today - so goes Europe tomorrow.

things in favor - a) nawaz had an exceptionally bad relationship with the army post Musharraf coup. He is also an egotist and never worked out a good relationship with the army . B) Imran khan was also named in the panama papers - but no action against him - he has a better working relationship C). People remember what happened to benazir - and they have their reservations.

Ok - look I can see this thread is going to get heated up - ive said what I wanted - hope it all works out.

Theoretic Muslim - did you know you cannot be "mentioned" without a proper computer? - because of your fancy Greek lettering .lol.

Imran Khan is yet to hold any public office first ....... but anyhow he has case(s) against him in SC where similar allegations are involved.

Honestly if it comes out that NS had business interest in india ..... an enemy country what you think would have been the outcome? Treason ........... and death penalty. The reason vol 10 of JIT wasn't made public makes sense when you look at it like this.

This allowed judges to avoid political turmoil and help confidence in democracy intact.

NS is a third timer man ..... he should have learnt from past, which he sadly didn't, he should be glad that he is still breathing.
 
Well, the latest ruling by the judiciary is exactly a move in the right direction. The powerful aren't no above the law. No matter how rich and powerful. The people of Pakistan aren't going to fall for this BS American/Indian conspiracy against the Pak armed forces. Nawaz Sharif dug his own grave with Panama leaks. It wasn't Imran Khan or the Pak armed forces that leaked Panama revelations.

Yeah ..

But one only needs to watch the indian rona on this all for entertainment ..
 
Yeah ..

But one only needs to watch the indian rona on this all for entertainment ..

We know why India is crying. India was already in no man's land during Nawaz Sharif's tenure. No matter how much Nawaz Sharif tried to reach out the Indians made a mockery of his sincere efforts. We know the instructions came from the White House to mend ties with India and Nawaz Sharif tried his level best, but it goes to show how stubborn Indians are. Now the Indians are licking their wounds and resorting to lame conspiracy theories against the Pak armed forces because that is all there is left to do. It is laughable to say the least because the people of Pakistan won't fall for it.

Too bad for the Indians. They had their chance and they squandered it. Now it is accountability time in Pakistan. We don't give a hoot about what the world thinks or says. Pakistan is going to clean corruption. That includes corrupt leeches who receive bribe money from nations who seek to propagate their skewed narrative in our land.

We are going to grab these leeches by their neck and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Yes, the ones that are screaming democracy and benefited from the corruption.

Reading and watching Indian media, one cannot ignore the pain they are in with the removal of Nawaz Shareef.

NS was not an Indians assets but was brought in by yanks to look the other way when it comes to India and it's hegemonic designs, even Indian sponsored terrorism in Pakistan. Indeed his ouster will take away this leverage Indians enjoyed albeit via America. This needs to be looked into regional/global allignements that are happening all over. Having a American sponsored leader, which was the continuation of infamous western sponsored NRO, is no longer in confirmy with Pakistan regional and global interests.
There are reasons why both America and UK flatly refused to cooperate with JIT investigation Nawaz Shareef assets in their respective countries.

Couldn't have said it any better. One more proof that Pakistan is moving away from the American sphere in lightning speed. Any fool claiming otherwise needs to open its eyes.

China Pakistan relations are going to go from strength to strength. Indian and American frustration from this perspective is understandable. They understand the repercussions and they are significant for both these nations.
 
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However, know that the spin outside Pakistan will assume that the army is using the constitional bodies to get what they want. I am not talking about India - theoretic Muslim - you live in US - you can see how the US is interpreting this already and what the US thinks today - so goes Europe tomorrow.

Everyone has an agenda. Anderson Cooper, Wolf Blitzer, Arnab Goswami (i'm on the fence but I kinda like the guy).

Everyone has their own agenda, and with democracy they fail to understand the grassroots causes for deviation from what the establishment believes will happen and reality. Pakistan is under no bounds to follow US policy visavia domestic politics, Afghanistan, or the region.

And with the current situation now in the US, itself, excuses have always been sought to failed policy or belief. A five minute layover on the runway of Islamabad International Airport doesn't make someone an expert on Pakistan's dynamics, neither does residing in the diplomatic enclaves.

Do I believe Pakistan's Military played a part in NS's ouster? Yes.

Gen. Kayani's stint as COAS was and is embarrassing for Pakistan's Officers and rank in file, work your way around the politeness the service members say you'll get to their view. Along came Gen. Raheel who strengthened the institution, raising morale, taking on the true responsibilities of an Army saving it's nation sliding the hands out of politics. He made it very clear with the public "humiliation" of various officers, emboldened Imran and it didn't look like NS got the hint. But there is still corners in the Military who believe they need to "guide" the civilian politicians, and this shadow like the taliban supporting one before it will take a while to remove.

I really hope, as do many that this will be a new chapter. It took since the 90s to get something on NS. Many of the individuals within Imran khan's PTI are ex-NS/Zardari. It's a common saying "we'll wait".

Indians are welcomed to analyze this and how it'll effect relations between the nations. And it is a concern to them. But peace between the nations isn't going to be accomplished by domestic political parties unless they sell the plan to all stakeholders citizens/business/political/military/industry. Pakistan really liked candidate Modi, it was sad to see potential talks be sidelined due to unfortunate events that India itself failed to act against.

"Peace in our time?" I'll take progress.
 

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