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Hill Air Force Base in Utah just held a combat power exercise with 35 F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters taking off from a single runway and flying in formation in a massive show of force that the US's rivals haven't even come close to.

The 388th and 419th Fighter Wings, the only two combat-ready units with the Air Force's F-35A variant, launched the formation on Monday to show that the most expensive weapons program in history is ready for action.

"We are ready to fight tonight, and exercising with multiple squadrons of F-35s can demonstrate our ability to defeat potential adversaries wherever they may arise," Maj. Caleb Guthmann, the 34th Fighter Squadron's assistant director of operations and exercise project officer, said in a statement from the base.

China and Russia have both tried to field fifth-generation fighters to compete with the F-35, but neither jet is anywhere close to pulling off a feat anything like the one on Monday.

China's J-20 doesn't have the proper engines yet, killing the jet's performance and preventing it from achieving supercruise.

The lack of a home-built Chinese engine for a fifth-generation fighter is reportedly "embarrassing" an air force that hopes to overtake the US military.

China has a few dozen or so J-20s in total. Experts who spoke to Business Insider assessed that the airframes it does have, such as the ones it showed off at the Zhuhai Air Show, were preproduction and not ready for combat.

Russia called its Su-57 "combat proven" after a few days of dropping bombs on unprotected enemies of President Bashar Assad in Syria, but that jet too fails to reach the bar of real operational status.

The combat carried out by the Su-57 could have been done by any number of 1970s-designed, Soviet-built Russian jets stationed in Syria and did not vindicate any of the stealth or fifth-generation claims from Russia.

Additionally, a maximum of 12 Su-57s exist in the world. The Su-57 also doesn't have the final engine installed, and Russia hasn't even bothered to order any to give its combat brigades.

In short, the world has been promised three new fifth-generation fighter jets by the end of this decade, and as of November, only one is a real production airplane: the F-35.

The US has 91 F-35s, international partners have 28, and 22 have been sold to additional countries.

A month before the November elephant walk, the Hill Air Force Base fighter wings flew the plane's 10,000th sortie.

In total, the US has ordered more than 2,000 F-35s to fly from land, aircraft carriers, and even improvised or short runways.

F-35 pilots have had years of practice developing new tactics and training regimens for jets that don't fly like anything else before them.

While the F-35 awaits software updates — it will be continually upgraded and modified throughout its life span — it's already at sea aboard the USS Essex carrying out combat missions in Afghanistan.

Russia and China frequently talk up the theoretical and future capabilities of their nascent aircraft, but today the answer to the question of who would win, the F-35 or the J-20/Su-57, the answer is simple and clear.

The F-35 wins because it's a real program and a real aircraft that's ready to defend its country. Until China and Russia sort out their engines and actually build the planes, they're not worthy of a mention in the same breath.

https://www.businessinsider.com/f-3...0-or-russias-su-57-cant-come-close-to-2018-11
 
You just wait. Dems have the House. They kill funding of F-35 just like they killed funding of F-22 in 2009. Dems don't like spending money on military. Demos love spending money on poor people and non whites.
 
You just wait. Dems have the House. They kill funding of F-35 just like they killed funding of F-22 in 2009. Dems don't like spending money on military. Demos love spending money on poor people and non whites.
You do not know anything about how US laws are made. You are nothing but a lot IQ troll. For any law, the president can veto. And budget is a law.
 
Saturn 117S and WS-10B aren't exactly junks as this article describes. They are 32000 lbs thrust, a tad less than F-22's 35000 lb engines. They are more powerful than any F-16 or F-15's engines.

By comparison, Challenger 2 has 1200 hp engine compared to Abrams and Leopard 2's 1500 hp engine.

For any law, the president can veto. And budget is a law.

In 2009 Demos had the White House, the House, the Senate, killed F-22. House controls budget. Trump can do a government shut down and lose 2020 election OR he can play nice and have a budget that reduces defense spending and increases welfare spending, something House can accept.
 
Hill Air Force Base in Utah just held a combat power exercise with 35 F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters taking off from a single runway and flying in formation in a massive show of force that the US's rivals haven't even come close to.

The 388th and 419th Fighter Wings, the only two combat-ready units with the Air Force's F-35A variant, launched the formation on Monday to show that the most expensive weapons program in history is ready for action.

"We are ready to fight tonight, and exercising with multiple squadrons of F-35s can demonstrate our ability to defeat potential adversaries wherever they may arise," Maj. Caleb Guthmann, the 34th Fighter Squadron's assistant director of operations and exercise project officer, said in a statement from the base.

China and Russia have both tried to field fifth-generation fighters to compete with the F-35, but neither jet is anywhere close to pulling off a feat anything like the one on Monday.

China's J-20 doesn't have the proper engines yet, killing the jet's performance and preventing it from achieving supercruise.

The lack of a home-built Chinese engine for a fifth-generation fighter is reportedly "embarrassing" an air force that hopes to overtake the US military.

China has a few dozen or so J-20s in total. Experts who spoke to Business Insider assessed that the airframes it does have, such as the ones it showed off at the Zhuhai Air Show, were preproduction and not ready for combat.

Russia called its Su-57 "combat proven" after a few days of dropping bombs on unprotected enemies of President Bashar Assad in Syria, but that jet too fails to reach the bar of real operational status.

The combat carried out by the Su-57 could have been done by any number of 1970s-designed, Soviet-built Russian jets stationed in Syria and did not vindicate any of the stealth or fifth-generation claims from Russia.

Additionally, a maximum of 12 Su-57s exist in the world. The Su-57 also doesn't have the final engine installed, and Russia hasn't even bothered to order any to give its combat brigades.

In short, the world has been promised three new fifth-generation fighter jets by the end of this decade, and as of November, only one is a real production airplane: the F-35.

The US has 91 F-35s, international partners have 28, and 22 have been sold to additional countries.

A month before the November elephant walk, the Hill Air Force Base fighter wings flew the plane's 10,000th sortie.

In total, the US has ordered more than 2,000 F-35s to fly from land, aircraft carriers, and even improvised or short runways.

F-35 pilots have had years of practice developing new tactics and training regimens for jets that don't fly like anything else before them.

While the F-35 awaits software updates — it will be continually upgraded and modified throughout its life span — it's already at sea aboard the USS Essex carrying out combat missions in Afghanistan.

Russia and China frequently talk up the theoretical and future capabilities of their nascent aircraft, but today the answer to the question of who would win, the F-35 or the J-20/Su-57, the answer is simple and clear.

The F-35 wins because it's a real program and a real aircraft that's ready to defend its country. Until China and Russia sort out their engines and actually build the planes, they're not worthy of a mention in the same breath.

https://www.businessinsider.com/f-3...0-or-russias-su-57-cant-come-close-to-2018-11

I don't know how J 20 can be a fifth generation fighter?
 
In 2009 Demos had the White House, the House, the Senate, killed F-22. House controls budget.
Correct. All three branches.

Trump can do a government shut down and lose 2020 election OR he can play nice and have a budget that reduces defense spending and increases welfare spending, something House can accept.
Wrong. :lol:

The Senate is Republican. All spending bills must be approved by both houses of Congress. Trump does not need to do anything.
 
Correct. All three branches.

House controls budget. Usually president goes with the House unless he makes a budget House won't accept and shuts down government because budget won't pass House. However that is very risky and can make president lose election which in Trump's case will happen in 2020 anyway.
 
Generation is man made concept. J-20 is 1 gen after J-10. Whether it's 4th or 5th or 6th is irrelevant.

Typically they just say a plane is 5th gen if it has internal weapons bay.

That is correct but it is easily detachable and does not have any stuff of a fifth generation fighter.
 
House controls budget. Usually president goes with the House unless he makes a budget House won't accept and shuts down government because budget won't pass House. However that is very risky and can make president lose election which in Trump's case will happen in 2020 anyway.
I have no interests in discussing the fine details of domestic US politics with a low IQ troll like you. Suffice to say that it is apparent to everyone that you are what I described.
 
Yes yes... Chinese dont have proper engine? Wait, what is that? Is it a russian engine or American?



It is a Chinese engine.. Demonstrated and proven WS-10B. Thrust weight engine ratio 8:1

Install on J-11BS ,J-10B and J-20.

I don't know how J 20 can be a fifth generation fighter?
Why not? Can F-35 supercruise....? No, J-20 thrust has even more thrust than F-35.. Both F-35 and J-20 has internal weapon bay. Both with latest AESA, EOTAS ,DSI, low RCS and high network. If F-35 can be called 5th gen, why not J-20?
 
If F-35 can be called 5th gen, why not J-20?
You can call the J-20 10th gen for all we care.

There are few things in any air force more inspiring and awesome than to experience an 'elephant walk'. Of course, you and your fellow Chinese in this forum would never know what it is like to see the might of a single air base displayed on a single runway. And here we have 35 F-35s readied while your China struggles with an engine. :lol:
 
You can call the J-20 10th gen for all we care.

There are few things in any air force more inspiring and awesome than to experience an 'elephant walk'. Of course, you and your fellow Chinese in this forum would never know what it is like to see the might of a single air base displayed on a single runway. And here we have 35 F-35s readied while your China struggles with an engine. :lol:
Chinese engine flaw is proven to be fake. A self denial by American becos they are frighten off by the Chinese. :enjoy:

I have videos and facts as previously posted. Your F-35 cannot supercruise is a fact. What makes it different from J-20?
You mean suddenly F-35 has a 30000kg thrust engine? In your pipedream :lol:
 

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