Terrorist takes Australian cafe customers hostage:

[Strigon]

Your post shows you know nothing about Islam so please keep quite

Im not interested in your mutated version of Islam, and I will not keep quiet while dimwits like you shame us further. No one...not a single person is fond of your extreme views so it should be you keeping quiet not me.

 

[TankMan]

At some point quoting the quran ain't gonna work man. They're doing it in the name of your religion- many people are doing these things in the name of your religion. People will come to the conclusion that something is wrong with your community. I'm not sure that conclusion is wrong. How is that despite such proclaimed nobility, systematically there is so much violence across the world then?

The Quran is meant to convince the terrorists and people supporting them - not the world. For the world, well, I can't do anything but condemn and ask for forgiveness on behalf of the 'Muslims' who commit these atrocities. You tell me, what more can I, a lone, normal person do?

Yes Mr face the reality these guys are not going to listen to those Sheikhs who do nothing when Muslims are being killed by this country along with partner USA and leader of Muslims and states are known pets of west and militants fill the gap and get support until and unless Muslim leaders take stand against west this can't be stopped its impossible but I hope as hostage are civilians they get out safe

I know for a fact that those innocents trapped inside a shop are not responsible for any partnership with the USA or whatever.
DO NOT try to justify this transgression. It doesn't matter what USA did. It is our responsibility to take care of our mess.WE give USA a reason and then cry over it.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

The Quran is meant to convince the terrorists and people supporting them - not the world. For the world, well, I can't do anything but condemn and ask for forgiveness on behalf of the 'Muslims' who commit these atrocities. You tell me, what more can I, a lone, normal person do?

Trust me, by asking for forgiveness you have done more than one person can do, added a lot of respectability to your community.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

I know for a fact that those innocents trapped inside a shop are not responsible for any partnership with the USA or whatever.
DO NOT try to justify this transgression. It doesn't matter what USA did. It is our responsibility to take care of our mess. We give USA a reason and then cry over it.

Have you seen how vocal Muslims are about what the Israelis do, but you wont find even 1% of that passion about ISIS, which killed god knows how many people now. It's treated as dirt under the cover.

 

[Not Sure]

That doesn't really happen, though I understand what you're trying to say here.

Most Muslims just hit their heads in shame and condemnation, then avoid the topic entirely without being vocal, mostly because they don't have the knowledge or means to directly challenge terrorists. That needs to change, Muslims need to start reading and understanding the Quran instead of just keeping metres long beards and praying 50 rakaats of extra salah.

Yes, but that's not a very wise thing to do - to be ashamed of something they neither did, nor supported. And they do not need to challenge the terrorists directly either, all they need to do is condemn these terrorists, and their supporters, as vocally as they can - just as you did in the previous post. That goes a long way to help others (non-Muslims) differentiate between the genuine and the pretenders.

 

[TankMan]

Trust me, by asking for forgiveness you have done more than one person can do, added a lot of respectability to your community.

Sadly it's not enough. It's never enough. No amount of apology can make up for murders but that's all I can do

Have you seen how vocal Muslims are about what the Israelis do, but you wont find even 1% of that passion about ISIS, which killed god knows how many people now. It's treated as dirt under the cover.

Politics, that's the issue. Condemning Israel is the easy way to get popular support - Condemning ISIS is a bit more difficult and a bit more serious.
I condemn all murderers equally, doesn't matter if they're Israelis or Muslims. It makes my blood boil even more when it's Muslims - using my religion to do this kind of stuff.

 

[Akasa]

It's a opportune time for the Muslim communities in the West, especially Australia, to show solidarity with these hostages and the population in general. It would be a very encouraging thing to see perhaps a Muslim negotiator trying to prevent the terrorists from causing any further harm; that is not to say that Islam in general has anything to do with terrorism since extremists never represent the culture or religion they claim to do so.

 

[IndoUS]

Have you seen how vocal Muslims are about what the Israelis do, but you wont find even 1% of that passion about ISIS, which killed god knows how many people now. It's treated as dirt under the cover.

That because a lot think that it's some conspiracy and Israel created ISIS, There was even a thread on this I believe.

 

[TankMan]

Yes, but that's not a very wise thing to do - to be ashamed of something they neither did, nor supported. And they do not need to challenge the terrorists directly either, all they need to do is condemn these terrorists, and their supporters, as vocally as they can - just as you did in the previous post. That goes a long way to help others (non-Muslims) differentiate between the genuine and the pretenders.

I understand that, which is why I'm posting all this. But this and twitter activism is not enough, I try my best to attend seminars etc that address this issue from an Islamic perspective but that's again not enough. I just don't have the resources and capabilities to lead a proper movement- not yet atleast.
Inshallah (God willing), I'll continue my efforts, however minuscule they may be. May God help us all.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Sadly it's not enough. It's never enough. No amount of apology can make up for murders but that's all I can do


Politics, that's the issue. Condemning Israel is the easy way to get popular support - Condemning ISIS is a bit more difficult and a bit more serious.
I condemn all murderers equally, doesn't matter if they're Israelis or Muslims. It makes my blood boil even more when it's Muslims - using my religion to do this kind of stuff.

Well I hope you guys sort things out fast. This really is giving you guys a bad name now.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The Quran is meant to convince the terrorists and people supporting them - not the world. For the world, well, I can't do anything but condemn and ask for forgiveness on behalf of the 'Muslims' who commit these atrocities. You tell me, what more can I, a lone, normal person do?


I know for a fact that those innocents trapped inside a shop are not responsible for any partnership with the USA or whatever.
DO NOT try to justify this transgression. It doesn't matter what USA did. It is our responsibility to take care of our mess.WE give USA a reason and then cry over it.

I appreciate your posts in this thread sir, as well as those from @Strigon and @Myth_buster_1 .

Strong governance, and strong laws are the best way to clamp down on this sort of thing.

 

[TankMan]

I appreciate your posts in this thread sir, as well as those from @Strigon and @Myth_buster_1 .

Strong governance, and strong laws are the best way to clamp down on this sort of thing.

I agree, but for strong governance and strong laws (in Muslim countries especially) we need a strong and united community - something that will unfortunately take a while. Till then, lets not forget the importance of education and information, which we can all spread through the omnipresent modern technology.

Also, @WebMaster @Horus @waz and other moderators, please do take some action against the certain individuals trying to justify these actions - at the very least, give a warning. There is no place for such barbarism in this forum, neither is it in Muslim Society/Islam or the world.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I agree, but for strong governance and strong laws (in Muslim countries especially) we need a strong and united community - something that will unfortunately take a while. Till then, lets not forget the importance of education and information, which we can all spread through the omnipresent modern technology.

Also, @WebMaster @Horus @waz and other moderators, please do take some action against the certain individuals trying to justify these actions - at the very least, give a warning. There is no place for such barbarism in this forum, neither is it in Muslim Society/Islam or the world.

I agree with you sir.

Extremism is something that often happens in developing countries, where the governance and rule of law is not strong enough to clamp down on it.

We had our "Red Guards" who committed horrifying atrocities during the Cultural Revolution, due to the same thing, an ideology being misused.

The best way out of it is strong governance and economic development, that's what we are trying to do.

 

[TankMan]

I agree with you sir.

Extremism is something that often happens in developing countries, where the governance and rule of law is not strong enough to clamp down on it.

We had our "Red Guards" who committed horrifying atrocities during the Cultural Revolution, due to the same thing, an ideology being misused.

The best way out of it is strong governance and economic development, that's what we are trying to do.

I applaud China's efforts, its story is quite an inspiration sometimes. If only we can replicate those results in the Muslim world, that would be great for everyone.

 

[Not Sure]

I understand that, which is why I'm posting all this. But this and twitter activism is not enough, I try my best to attend seminars etc that address this issue from an Islamic perspective but that's again not enough. I just don't have the resources and capabilities to lead a proper movement- not yet atleast.
Inshallah (God willing), I'll continue my efforts, however minuscule they may be. May God help us all.

Please evaluate your efforts on the basis of your intentions, and not on the basis of their magnitude. "This", and twitter activism, both are no less. I too am on twitter and have made some big differences too (not that I was expecting anything), despite having barely a dozen dormant followers. You will find it weird that I am taking a leaf out of my religious book here, but you do your work, and fruits will come by in their own time and in their own forms - even when you are not noticing. After you shoot an arrow, do not wait to see where it hits, rather, forget about it and get busy fixing the next arrow. But if you expect to bring a drastic change in a single day, well, that is a bit too far fetched.

Just now I sent a tweet to Tony Abbot requesting him to eliminate Hizb ut Tehrir from Australia. I do not know whether he is even going read it. But I should have done that, so I did. And who knows, some others too may have written something similar, and he may be forced to think over it seriously. My job was to write, I did, and then moved on.

You may not even be aware where your twitter activism may have hit, or how it may have snowballed into greater effects. So do not put your work to a scale, just keep doing it and things will begin to change, after all, labor never goes in vain.